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05-08-2012, 12:52 PM
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Why does everyone think so highly of Houston? The Aeros aren't all that high in AHL attendance. Houston was passed over in hte last expansion which included 4 slots.
Houston has proven an AHL team and hockey can be successful there. You can't say the same thing about Quebec....

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Houston has proven an AHL team and hockey can be successful there. You can't say the same thing about Quebec....
No, your right, Quebec City only draws 12,000/game in the QMJHL.

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No, your right, Quebec City only draws 12,000/game in the QMJHL.
Yes, Quebec is a Citadelle of hockey success. Apologies.

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Yes, Quebec is a Citadelle of hockey success. Apologies.
Dude a team in Quebec would draw more money than any team in the US except Boston and New York it would certainly be in the top 5 of grossing teams in the NHL, you have no idea of what you are talking about and have probably never set foot in Canada and if you have you are completely blind as to what hockey means in Canada and in Quebec and what Quebecor is as a media empire.

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Dude a team in Quebec would draw more money than any team in the US except Boston and New York it would certainly be in the top 5 of grossing teams in the NHL, you have no idea of what you are talking about and have probably never set foot in Canada and if you have you are completely blind as to what hockey means in Canada and in Quebec and what Quebecor is as a media empire.
Not more then Philly or Chicago or Washington. Come On

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Yes, Quebec is a Citadelle of hockey success. Apologies.
No need to find a beggar to run a hockey team here.

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Not more then Philly or Chicago or Washington. Come On
Kinda hard to say where QC might wind up in the rankings, though Id hazard to guess somewhere on par with a Calgary/Edm/Wpg/Ottawa range. Respectable. Definitely a higher-end "boutique" style market than some of the more super-sized elsewhere, but hey, theres room for both...

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I don't know, these guys almost sound like they don't want an NHL team. Something has to be brewing. They're building an arena and then they are saying an NHL team would just take away concert dates. Yeah OK, build a theatre then.

http://www.yorkregion.com/news/artic...impact-markham

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You mean besides the fact that it's a freaking humongous market?

And actually, the Aeros were fifth in attendance in the AHL this past season, so that's nothing to necessarily scoff at. Much higher then Hamilton, though their meh AHL draw is rarely used as an argument against them.
Yeah because market size worked so well for Atlanta and Phoenix. Following this line of logic, the NHL should have 3 teams in Mexico City.

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Kinda hard to say where QC might wind up in the rankings, though Id hazard to guess somewhere on par with a Calgary/Edm/Wpg/Ottawa range. Respectable. Definitely a higher-end "boutique" style market than some of the more super-sized elsewhere, but hey, theres room for both...
And all of those cities make more at the gate than Philly, Chicago and Washington, right? NYR are the only team that can compete with the Canadian teams right now in terms of ticket revenues.

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I don't know, these guys almost sound like they don't want an NHL team. Something has to be brewing. They're building an arena and then they are saying an NHL team would just take away concert dates. Yeah OK, build a theatre then.

http://www.yorkregion.com/news/artic...impact-markham
I think Betman told them to cool it. Mentioning the Coyotes was a smoke screen. They were never a contender to move there.

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And all of those cities make more at the gate than Philly, Chicago and Washington, right? NYR are the only team that can compete with the Canadian teams right now in terms of ticket revenues.
That would be correct. 5 of the top 6 revenue generators in terms of the app $1.2B in ticket sales are Canadian teams, the NYR the only US based team in the mix, about 33% of the total. That doesnt include broadcast rights which are divided up 30 ways, merchandising sales etc. Those numbers are based on 2010-11, so just where Winnipeg fits in I havent a clue.

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... just where Winnipeg fits in I havent a clue.
Number 10 according to Bob McCown

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True North Sports and Entertainment won’t know for absolute certain until the league’s revenues and finances are audited after the playoffs are over, but Chipman’s actual point was that revenues for the NHL’s first season back in Winnipeg have exceeded expectations to the point the Jets could well be in the league’s top 15 of revenue.

If they’re not, they’ll be close to that, and any revenue-sharing amount that would come to them would be negligible.

Chipman wouldn’t disclose the Jets’ number for 2011-12, but given his statements it’s likely just less than $100 million.

The result is True North’s revenues for its first season in the NHL are just about what was budgeted, that the team generated its projected number without the help of the NHL sharing program.

"Because our revenues exceeded what we expected them to be, we don’t participate in sharing," Chipman said today. "In the end, we’re going to be in the exact same place we expected them to be. Which we feel good about."

To qualify for the revenue-sharing program, a team must be in the bottom half of the NHL in per-team revenue, be in a TV market of less than about two million and it must also meeting ticket-sales and other revenue minimums.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...146445605.html


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05-11-2012, 11:22 AM
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This may have already been mentioned, but I just came across an interesting demographic statistic ... in Toronto, visible minorities comprise about 43% of the population, but in Markham, it's 65% (I cannot drill down further, so I do not know which ethnicities, but likely south asian and chinese).

So, as amateur sociologists and market forecasters, would the ethnic composition of the immediate surrounding area play into the viability of an NHL team in Markham?

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05-11-2012, 11:44 AM
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Number 10 according to Bob McCown.
Possibly even higher if one takes into consideration merchandising revenues generated with the new jerseys' and other paraphernalia, sales just having to have gone right through roof, and they havent as of yet introduced their 3rd sweater as of yet. Mustve' been a bump in broadcast revenues as well.. not to mention some sponsorships that wouldve been initiated in Winnipeg that then transcended or morphed into Canadian-wide if not North American wide scope & execution.

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This may have already been mentioned, but I just came across an interesting demographic statistic ... in Toronto, visible minorities comprise about 43% of the population, but in Markham, it's 65% (I cannot drill down further, so I do not know which ethnicities, but likely south asian and chinese).

So, as amateur sociologists and market forecasters, would the ethnic composition of the immediate surrounding area play into the viability of an NHL team in Markham?
No, not at all. Markham as you know is for all intensive purposes a suburb, bedroom community to the GTA. Very easy for people from the old municipalities of York, North York, North Toronto, Leaside, Scarborough etc to get to it. They'd also have full access to the corporate sector throughout Toronto so really, the fact that app 60%++ of the immediate local residential community is indeed South East Asian/Chinese & East Indian, rendered moot, particularly so if you take into account that many though 1st generation have families, their kids more likely than not embracing the sport.

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....particularly so if you take into account that many though 1st generation have families, their kids more likely than not embracing the sport.

My unscientific survey - the pictures showing that a large percentage of the Canucks fans who laid waste to the city after the SCF last year appeared to be second or third-generation immigrants - says you are correct!

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My unscientific survey - the pictures showing that a large percentage of the Canucks fans who laid waste to the city after the SCF last year appeared to be second or third-generation immigrants - says you are correct!
... actually Ugmo, the vast majority of those Missing Links still had one foot in the swamps & drainage ditches from which they crawled out of. Mouth breathing knuckle draggers. Planet of the Apes. They werent "hockey fans". Anarchists, pyromaniacs, hooligans, webfooted exhibitionists....

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Any movement on this in the past 10 days?

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Possibly even higher if one takes into consideration merchandising revenues generated with the new jerseys' and other paraphernalia, sales just having to have gone right through roof, and they havent as of yet introduced their 3rd sweater as of yet.
Not sure, but I think sweaters are league revenue as opposed to individual team revenue.

Would be interesting to see a ranking of sweater sales by team.

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Not sure, but I think sweaters are league revenue as opposed to individual team revenue. Would be interesting to see a ranking of sweater sales by team.
Ya, the clubs make cash on jersey sales collectively however they pick up 100% of the rev's through their own shops sales, and for sure, itd be interesting to see how it breakdowns league-wide in terms of rankings by teams & players.

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Any movement on this in the past 10 days?
The Town got the first payment from the new development tax (or, as they describe it, "voluntary contributions") put forward to help service the arena debt.

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The $1.2-billion Upper Unionville project on Beckett Farm at the corner of 16th Avenue and Kennedy Road released 780 units for its Phase 1.

That translates to nearly $4 million in “voluntary contributions” for the 20,000-seat arena planned for Markham Centre, said Silvio DeGasperis, owner of TACC Construction Ltd., which is a part of the Upper Unionville landowners’ group that purchased the 205-acre farm property for $100 million.

The $4-million payment was made about two weeks ago, Mr. DeGasperis said.
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The Town got the first payment from the new development tax (or, as they describe it, "voluntary contributions") put forward to help service the arena debt.



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So $4 million down $158.5 million to go

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Public meeting to be held on June 27th to reveal more details about the proposed arena:

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A public meeting has been scheduled next week for the proposed NHL-ready arena in Markham. On June 27, you’re invited to the Civic Centre for additional information on the overview of the site plan and facility, the integration into the Markham Centre Plan and transportation and transit analysis. Markham council approved in April the business deal for the $325-million, 20,000-seat sports, entertainment and cultural centre to be built west of the Unionville GO Station and north of Hwy. 407.
http://www.yorkregion.com/news/artic...o-on-nhl-arena

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Not more then Philly or Chicago or Washington. Come On
Yes Winnipeg (which is a similar market to quebec)made more profits then the blackhawks and the capitals this year

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Houston has proven an AHL team and hockey can be successful there. You can't say the same thing about Quebec....
Well they should fix Dallas before everthinking of putting a team in Texas....

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