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04-28-2012, 11:14 AM
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The question is...do we throw Larsson into a playoff game against Philly??
I don't know. We might need him if we have injuries, or Volch continues to get abused by the opposition. But throwing him to the wolves might be too rough on him.

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Hindsight is 20/20, Jim. After the offseason, it looked like we were going to go into the season with a very average D and then Larsson had an excellent training camp and preseason. Everyone thought that he could add another dimension to our defense and he did. He was a big part of our D for 1/2 of the season. I have no regrets with how he was handled.
I really hate when I see hindsight is 20/20...that statement is only relevant if no one was saying it back then...but the fact of the matter is/was many people saw his difficulty with the speed of the game and playing his angles, many people questioned his decision making and everyone saw him taking hits that had he more experience and a better understanding of the smaller surface and speed would have never happened.

The truth is he wasn't very good for most his time. He was great for an 18 year old sure, he showed flashes sure, but judging him by the standard of an average NHL defenseman he was substandard for the majority of his play.

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04-28-2012, 11:23 AM
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I really hate when I see hindsight is 20/20...that statement is only relevant if no one was saying it back then...but the fact of the matter is/was many people saw his difficulty with the speed of the game and playing his angles, many people questioned his decision making and everyone saw him taking hits that had he more experience and a better understanding of the smaller surface and speed would have never happened.

The truth is he wasn't very good for most his time. He was great for an 18 year old sure, he showed flashes sure, but judging him by the standard of an average NHL defenseman he was substandard for the majority of his play.
Very few people were saying it back then. Almost everyone on this board was excited by his supreme passing skills and the hype surrounding him. He's a big kid too so it's not like we was going to be overmatched physically.

He looked very good for stretches at a time. At one point, early in the season, he looked like our #1 D. No one expected that to last but still, he was contributing more than you're giving him credit for.

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04-28-2012, 11:24 AM
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"Stalling" doesn't mean it won't progress again, he just isn't developing right now because he isn't getting playoff experience. That's something that needs to happen for him to take the next step toward being the #1 we need. I hope he gets in against the Flyers and thrives.
I think we're going a little overboard with Larsson's lurning curve. The kid is 19 years old for crying out loud and last time I checked, this kid called Tyler Seguin was a healthy scratch for the B's until the middle of the 2nd round IINM and he turned out just fine.

The simple fact that he was one of our best d-men for over half a season at the age of 19 is all I needed to see out of our #4 overall pick. The hardest position to learn right out of the gate is defense and the fact that he never got the chance to play that many games in a single year in the SEL doesn't help his cause either.

The level of intensity is, or should be, at a ultimate high atm. If Volchenkov continues to blow chunks, I wouldn't mind seeing him in the lineup at all. He's more then rested and we could defenitly use his breakout skills cause Philly will be coming at us full throttle on the forecheck.

Again, what's the word on Salvador and his busted up hand/wrist? Is it broken?

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No, they said that Sal's arm went numb, but he returned to the game later in the first OT, and played a regular shift after that. The Devils said he'll be fine to go against the Flyers.

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Off the Larsson topic, but is Stephen Gionta a lock for a regular spot on the team next season?

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I really hate when I see hindsight is 20/20...that statement is only relevant if no one was saying it back then...but the fact of the matter is/was many people saw his difficulty with the speed of the game and playing his angles, many people questioned his decision making and everyone saw him taking hits that had he more experience and a better understanding of the smaller surface and speed would have never happened.

The truth is he wasn't very good for most his time. He was great for an 18 year old sure, he showed flashes sure, but judging him by the standard of an average NHL defenseman he was substandard for the majority of his play.
That's all on Lou.

He didn't add anyone on our blueline over the summer and had Larsson making the team since day #1. We added no one at the deadline and if someone goes down, we have no one to fall back on except Larsson. The same can be said about us not having a faceoff specialist but that's another subject for another time/thread.

He should've stayed in the SEL or the AHL ala Oliver Ekman-Larsson but didn't. If we had decent blueliners in order for him to learn on the fly, that would be great but we don't. The only thing that makes me smile is that he's hanging around Big Bird 24/7 and that's the only positive I see for him at the moment.

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Off the Larsson topic, but is Stephen Gionta a lock for a regular spot on the team next season?
I don't know with Josefson coming back. Many things can happen.

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The truth is he wasn't very good for most his time. He was great for an 18 year old sure, he showed flashes sure, but judging him by the standard of an average NHL defenseman he was substandard for the majority of his play.

I agree. I wanted to see Larsson thrive (like Karlsson) but he did not. At times he showed his capability and potential, but he was never able to get any consitency to it. That is why he is not playing in the playoffs.

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We added no one at the deadline? Zidlicky is a pretty big addition.

And Karlsson didn't break out until this season, his second or third in the league. Larsson isn't there yet, with more experience, he might get there.

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I don't know with Josefson coming back. Many things can happen.
maybe Sykora is gone next season?? there's a spot that might need filling.
I just didnt think much of Gionta till this series with the Panthers, he has done a good job...maybe better than good.

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maybe Sykora is gone next season?? there's a spot that might need filling.
I just didnt think much of Gionta till this series with the Panthers, he has done a good job...maybe better than good.
I love little Gio as much as anyone, but no way can he replace Sykie's production.

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I love little Gio as much as anyone, but no way can he replace Sykie's production.
I dont think Sykie is back next year.
and I think the only forward Lou tries to sign is Zach.

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We added no one at the deadline? Zidlicky is a pretty big addition.
We didn't add any depth, that's what I meant. We moved a roster player, a very mediocre roster player but a roster player nontheless, for another player but we didn't stock pile a couple of blueliers for a cup run and we didn't add a faceoff specialist either.

We got owened all year long on the dot and it continued in round #1 of the post season. If you're going to sign a "goon" or two, why not sign Konopka who can drop the mits and dominate on faceoffs.

The Panthers landed ****ing Smithson for crying out loud while we did nothing. Starting with the puck is a must, especially in the post season.

BTW, Zidlicky is our best d-men and has to be a top priority for Lou this summer alongside Suter if he's hitting the market. Parise would be plan B for me.

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We didn't add any depth, that's what I meant. We moved a roster player, a very mediocre roster player but a roster player nontheless, for another player but we didn't stock pile a couple of blueliers for a cup run and we didn't add a faceoff specialist either.

We got owened all year long on the dot and it continued in round #1 of the post season. If you're going to sign a "goon" or two, why not sign Konopka who can drop the mits and dominate on faceoffs.

The Panthers landed ****ing Smithson for crying out loud while we did nothing. Starting with the puck is a must, especially in the post season.

BTW, Zidlicky is our best d-men and has to be a top priority for Lou this summer alongside Suter if he's hitting the market. Parise would be plan B for me.
We did have Steckel. NJ center depth wasn't good going into this season especially with Zajac out. Lou probably wasn't going to get a faceoff specialist to sacrifice other areas of the game.

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We didn't add any depth, that's what I meant. We moved a roster player, a very mediocre roster player but a roster player nontheless, for another player but we didn't stock pile a couple of blueliers for a cup run and we didn't add a faceoff specialist either.

We got owened all year long on the dot and it continued in round #1 of the post season. If you're going to sign a "goon" or two, why not sign Konopka who can drop the mits and dominate on faceoffs.

The Panthers landed ****ing Smithson for crying out loud while we did nothing. Starting with the puck is a must, especially in the post season.

BTW, Zidlicky is our best d-men and has to be a top priority for Lou this summer alongside Suter if he's hitting the market. Parise would be plan B for me.
Zidlicky still has 1 more year on his contract so he can just focus on the other 2 you mentioned.

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I love little Gio as much as anyone, but no way can he replace Sykie's production.
He's a 4th liner, not a top 6 forward. Let's not get carried away here. If Sykora isn't resgined, wich I don't see happening, we have depth up front to pick up the slack. We have Elias, Kovalchuk, Zajac, Zubrus and Henrique in our top 6 next year, leaving a spot for possibly Clarkson or maybe Poni if he resigns.

Even if Zach leaves, we'd be losing a solid forward but it wouldn't cripple our offense at all IMO. Henrique will have a full season under his belt and Josefson will have another summer to add some muscle.

If we can upgrade our defense by adding some talent instead of your average joe, I actually think we'd have a better team then what we are seeing right now.

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Zidlicky is signed through next year, that trade looks even better when you consider that.

The lack of faceoff prowess is a big weakness, but I don't know who was available at the deadline that would have helped. Maybe Pahlsson. But before Josefson went down, I think Lou figured our centre depth would be fine once Zajac came back. Easy to say now that we should have upgraded it. At that time we looked pretty strong down the middle.

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Off the Larsson topic, but is Stephen Gionta a lock for a regular spot on the team next season?
I doubt he cracks the Devils as a regular.

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We did have Steckel. NJ center depth wasn't good going into this season especially with Zajac out. Lou probably wasn't going to get a faceoff specialist to sacrifice other areas of the game.
Someone like Smithson cost Tallon a 6h round pick. There's no excuse for Lou to not bring in someone like that, zero, zilch, nada, etc, etc, etc.

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Zidlicky still has 1 more year on his contract so he can just focus on the other 2 you mentioned.
I forgot about that extra year... That's fantastic news !!! Now he can focus on one thing and one thing only, Suter. If he doesn't hit the market, focus on acquiring a top pairing d-men via trade and try to sign Parise.

Just throwing it out there. If someone is asking for Larsson+ in return for their top pairing d-men, would you move him for someone like Weber if they want to resign Suter and try to land Parise via free agency ala Rangers signing Gaborik after moving Gomez to the Habs.

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Zidlicky is signed through next year, that trade looks even better when you consider that.

The lack of faceoff prowess is a big weakness, but I don't know who was available at the deadline that would have helped. Maybe Pahlsson. But before Josefson went down, I think Lou figured our centre depth would be fine once Zajac came back. Easy to say now that we should have upgraded it. At that time we looked pretty strong down the middle.
Not true. We sucked all year long at faceoffs and with Zajac out for the entire year, we should've brought in someone, especially for our post season run. Steckel isn't a good example cause he's nothing else then a faceoff specialist who can't play the game. We need a gritty guy who can win draws ala Smithson or Konopka, who can bang and grind while being effective at the dot. Steckel was just a tall drink of water who's affraid of his own shade while being solid at faceoffs.

I rather have the pick TO gave us then Steckel.

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He's a 4th liner, not a top 6 forward. Let's not get carried away here.
Did you read my post?

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Faceoffs are MOST important on the PK and the PP, where theoretically, we should be having Zajac take a big chunk of the draws for both. Without changing our PK pairings there's not a whole lot we can do about it.

I know I'm going to sound like a broken record, the problem here is less personnel than coaching. You CAN'T have Elias and Clarkson take significant number of draws when you have Zajac (well above average), Zubrus (above average), Ryan Carter (average), and Henrique (slightly below average) because Clarkie and Elias are awful.

We don't need a guy, we need Elias to not take any more faceoffs. That's it, problem solved. I mean, ****, historically PETR ******* SYKORA is better at faceoffs than Patty.

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I still have no idea why we have Clarkson taking faceoffs. Even with the theoretical advantage of trying to win them on his backhand, he's still terrible at it. Surely one of our left handed natural centres trying to win them would yield better results.

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I still have no idea why we have Clarkson taking faceoffs. Even with the theoretical advantage of trying to win them on his backhand, he's still terrible at it. Surely one of our left handed natural centres trying to win them would yield better results.
Like who? Elias? He's even worse...

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