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05-15-2012, 09:37 PM
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I'll take a split in this series if it means Correia has lost his spot in the rotation.
Cheers to that.

He's not as awful as a lot of people are making him out to be (though he was bad tonight)...but when you have capable arms right now you have to make the move. Correia would be fine as a swing man. The only reason I can think of him staying in the rotation longer would be to try to maximize his trade value. Correia almost certainly isn't going to be a Pirate come August 1. He won't fetch a huge return, but if a competitor has a pitcher go down (inevitable about five times over) then a veteran who has had a solid career as a bottom-of-the-rotation guy will garner some interest.

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Willie Colon has officially been moved to LG. Steelers told him after the draft.

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Willie Colon has officially been moved to LG. Steelers told him after the draft.
Nice! Now sign Max Starks.

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Nice! Now sign Max Starks.

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Yeah. The line looks decent for once.

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Willie Colon made it official today: "I've made the transition to left guard. I like it. It's just a matter of learning the verbiage."
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Colon at LG, DeCastro at RG will both pull. Colon: "You should expect both of us pulling. I think we're going to be a lot more balanced."
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That is an extrememly strong line, on paper anyways. Fun fact that three of the five are from the University of Florida and played with one another at one point or another.

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05-16-2012, 01:02 PM
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Yeah. The line looks decent for once.







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Thank you. That's good that he likes the transition to LG and isn't making a big deal about it.

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That is an extrememly strong line, on paper anyways. Fun fact that three of the five are from the University of Florida and played with one another at one point or another.
That's pretty cool. Steelers now have Chris Rainey also, they must like guys out of Florida. Now, when Batch and Leftwich leave the team we can bring in Tim Tebow to back up Roethlisberger.

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So do we think they'll sign starks? I would at least do it for insurance if they don't like him starting.

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So do we think they'll sign starks? I would at least do it for insurance if they don't like him starting.
I honestly do think they will sign Starks. I've read that they would strongly consider it if his health checks out.

This would allow them to let Marcus Gilbert develop at his natural position as a RT. They want to get Mike Adams 1 full year in the NFL under his belt before he's a starter, he can be 2nd string LT behind Max Starks and learn a thing or 2 from his as well.

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05-16-2012, 01:41 PM
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If we have learned anything over the past few years, depth on the offensive line is crucial. And has killed us in years past. Signing Starks is a must in my book.

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05-16-2012, 02:13 PM
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Cheers to that.

He's not as awful as a lot of people are making him out to be (though he was bad tonight)...but when you have capable arms right now you have to make the move. Correia would be fine as a swing man. The only reason I can think of him staying in the rotation longer would be to try to maximize his trade value. Correia almost certainly isn't going to be a Pirate come August 1. He won't fetch a huge return, but if a competitor has a pitcher go down (inevitable about five times over) then a veteran who has had a solid career as a bottom-of-the-rotation guy will garner some interest.
Agreed--he's not that bad. His main problem is an inability to get Ks when he needs to. It's worth seeing what Lincoln has for a while, with Correia as a swing man, long inning relief type of guy.

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05-16-2012, 03:26 PM
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In other news, Gio Gonzalez could probably just pitch from the dugout tonight.

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Cheers to that.

He's not as awful as a lot of people are making him out to be (though he was bad tonight)...but when you have capable arms right now you have to make the move. Correia would be fine as a swing man. The only reason I can think of him staying in the rotation longer would be to try to maximize his trade value. Correia almost certainly isn't going to be a Pirate come August 1. He won't fetch a huge return, but if a competitor has a pitcher go down (inevitable about five times over) then a veteran who has had a solid career as a bottom-of-the-rotation guy will garner some interest.
Correia is every bit as bad as people make him out to be. It just to too long for most to realize this.

Career WHIP of almost 1.5...thats terrible. He is no doubt the worst full time starter in the MLB and has been for many years.

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FIP- 5.08
K/BB- 0.93
Contact%- 90.5 %

that is just terrible.

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05-17-2012, 12:41 AM
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Great call with Evan Meek today, Pirates. Why did we even need another reliever on the roster anyway? And why then does Meek, a few weeks ago not considered good enough to be in the bullpen, take the mound in a one run game, when you've got Jason Grilli and Juan Cruz fresh from a night off? And not nearly as confounding as the decision to put him in, was the decision to keep him in when he hits one guy, then walks two more. Who was the least bit surprised when what went down in the 7th actually went down after that?

Great call, Pirates. Great call.

As far as our lineup is concerned, suffice it to say I never want to see last night's lineup ever, ever, ever again. Ever. Dear God, from 5-down it was a nightmare, even though Harrison out of nowhere went deep, we probably should have batted Bedard sixth. With Presley now out of the picture for the foreseeable future, Jones is probably going to have to be an everyday Right Fielder with Tabata going left and McGehee at first. Leaving just McLouth (oh, the humanity) and Navarro (bleh) to backup the outfield and slide in when we face lefties, and Harrison (also bleh) to cover Alvarez and to give us merciful respite from Barmes.

Oh dear. We have to find a bat, somewhere, somehow.


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Great call with Evan Meek today, Pirates. Why did we even need another reliever on the roster anyway? And why then does Meek, a few weeks ago not considered good enough to be in the bullpen, take the mound in a one run game, when you've got Jason Grilli and Juan Cruz fresh from a night off? And not nearly as confounding as the decision to put him in, was the decision to keep him in when he hits one guy, then walks two more. Who was the least bit surprised when what went down in the 7th actually went down after that?

Great call, Pirates. Great call.

As far as our lineup is concerned, suffice it to say I never want to see last night's lineup ever, ever, ever again. Ever. Dear God, from 5-down it was a nightmare, even though Harrison out of nowhere went deep, we probably should have batted Bedard sixth. With Presley now out of the picture for the foreseeable future, Jones is probably going to have to be an everyday Right Fielder with Tabata going left and McGehee at first. Leaving just McLouth (oh, the humanity) and Navarro (bleh) to backup the outfield and slide in when we face lefties, and Harrison (also bleh) to cover Alvarez and to give us merciful respite from Barmes.

Oh dear. We have to find a bat, somewhere, somehow.
Trade Hanrahan for a good bat and make Meek or Grilli/Cruz the closer?

Or trade top prospects for help now?

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05-17-2012, 01:04 AM
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There's no point in trading Hanrahan right now, the Pirates need to deal him for something of real substance that helps their future. Their best shot at that is for Hanrahan's value to rise all the way to the deadline, and ship him to a desperate, buying contender.

Right now I don't even want Meek on the roster, let alone as closer.

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Clint Barmes has had 113 plate appearances and walked once. Once. He hits a lot of doubles, but he doesn't hit a lot. And he's signed for two years. Ugh.

Somewhere in Japan, Aki Iwamura is laughing at this acquisition.

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Yeah. The line looks decent for once.







Here's the source.http://twitter.com/#!/DVEMike
I figured that's how things were going to look. I like what we can do with that line. I think having Decastro leading the way on the strong side and being a great pulling guard to the weak side will really give us a strong advantage on the ground.

I'm also not so sure Colon would have been able to be a tackle with the injuries he's coming off of.

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I honestly do think they will sign Starks. I've read that they would strongly consider it if his health checks out.

This would allow them to let Marcus Gilbert develop at his natural position as a RT. They want to get Mike Adams 1 full year in the NFL under his belt before he's a starter, he can be 2nd string LT behind Max Starks and learn a thing or 2 from his as well.
I'm not 100% positive, but I think Gilbert's natural position is LT. Whether they want him to be that in the pro's is another question, but he was drafted to be a LT.

Signing Starks is probably a good move to make. Let him, Adams, and maybe even Gilbert battle it out.

A good line will always have guys who can spell in and have the line not miss a beat. We finally have that, it seems. Pretty excited to see how everything shakes out.


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Clint Barmes has had 113 plate appearances and walked once. Once. He hits a lot of doubles, but he doesn't hit a lot. And he's signed for two years. Ugh.

Somewhere in Japan, Aki Iwamura is laughing at this acquisition.
The thing is, a few of us called this at the signing.


Moving to the Steelers and Starks, I think that it is a great move both ways. Remember that Starks was sitting on his ass at home when we signed him last year, he had little interest elsewhere. And we need depth at the position, injuires on the line have killed us the past few years and I believe cost us at least one SB victory.

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I wasn't a fan of the move, but I didn't expect him to be worse than Iwamura at twice the price. That's almost incomprehensibly bad.



Regarding Starks, I hate him, and I've always hated him at the LT position, and I'm sick of the team finding the two biggest, fattest, slowest slobs on the roster and making that the left side of their line, but I think there's no way they don't bring him back.

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More on the Steelers O-Line plans.

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Rookie Mike Adams will go to left tackle and Marcus Gilbert will stay at right tackle, a source close to the situation told me today.
At least that’s the plan going into training camp. That obviously could change if Adams cannot handle the job but the coaching staff believes he can and quickly made that decision right after they drafted him.
It’s why they put the phone call into Willie Colon so quickly to inform him of his move to left guard.
So, as long as things work out, the Steelers offensive line will look like this:
LT Mike Adams, LG Willie Colon, C Maurkice Pouncey, RG David DeCastro, RT Marcus Gilbert.
Possible backups: T Jonathan Scott, G/T Trai Essex, G/C Doug Legursky, G Ramon Foster.
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Not to sound like a jerk or anything, but did you guys honestly expect the Pirates bats to be good this year? They did absolutely nothing to enhance their lineup. If anything, their power is actually worse than last season because they dropped Doumit / Derek Lee.

I feel like a lot of folks in the media are surprised with this power outage, but shouldn't everyone learn to expect this by now?

To be honest, I'm really not surprised with the lack of power this year. Going into the season, we all knew that the Pirates had a very weak lineup. There is no easy solution and it probably won't be getting better anytime soon (barring a big trade).

You can blame it on the hitting coach, but when it comes down to it our roster just isn't very good at all.

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Not to sound like a jerk or anything, but did you guys honestly expect the Pirates bats to be good this year? They did absolutely nothing to enhance their lineup. If anything, their power is actually worse than last season because they dropped Doumit / Derek Lee.

I feel like a lot of folks in the media are surprised with this power outage, but shouldn't everyone learn to expect this by now?

To be honest, I'm really not surprised with the lack of power this year. Going into the season, we all knew that the Pirates had a very weak lineup. There is no easy solution and it probably won't be getting better anytime soon (barring a big trade).

You can blame it on the hitting coach, but when it comes down to it our roster just isn't very good at all.
Yes and no. I figured the lineup wouldn't have much pop. Tabata and Presley are a really, really REALLY light-hitting corner outfield, Jones can't hit lefties, and before the season started, I wasn't convinced Alvarez would hit at all. Barajas has a little power, but less than Doumit. Barmes hit home runs in Coors Field, but I didn't expect him to hit many for Pittsburgh. I always assume that guys on the Rockies are hitting pretend home runs (which is fitting, given that their stadium is named for pretend beer).

On the other hand, I thought McGehee might have a bounce-back year and that he along with Presley, Walker and Tabata would get on base at at least a half-decent clip. Right now McCutchen is the only guy the Pirates have who should be batting in the top-3 of a batting order.

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We went from having a line of undrafteds to 2 years later having a line with 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders. I remember before the 2011 draft, I was saying that I"d love to see the Steelers do something in the coming years like they did in the late 90's and early 2000's with Faneca, Smith, Simmons, and signing Hartings. It is so much easier bringing in a bunch of young offensive linemen and having them all grow up together.

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Steelers cut Grant Ressel, kicker from Mizzou and signed Daniel Hrapmann, kicker/punter from Southern Miss.

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James McDonald is some sort of hot right now. 5 Ks through 6 batters.

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