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12-17-2004, 12:16 AM
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When Mccabe isn't playing alongside a high calibre dman it exposes his shotty and inconsistent game.

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12-17-2004, 12:50 AM
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He is a good straight on skater, he does not move laterally very well and that is why he resorted to the can-opener.

"He can't pivot that well, so that's why he uses it." - Mike Milbury

http://www.canoe.ca/Slam020422/nhl_nyitor1-sun.html
THEY SAID IT

"Kind of wish I had a mulligan on that deal.'' - New York GM Mike Milbury on the fact ex-Islanders Robert Reichel, Bryan McCabe and Travis Green are suiting up with Toronto these days.

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12-17-2004, 09:05 PM
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THEY SAID IT

"Kind of wish I had a mulligan on that deal.'' - New York GM Mike Milbury on the fact ex-Islanders Robert Reichel, Bryan McCabe and Travis Green are suiting up with Toronto these days.

What is your point? It was a terrible deal, Milbury has made lots of bad trades.That has nothing to do with his lateral movement or how poorly he played in Sweden.

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12-17-2004, 09:07 PM
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When Mccabe isn't playing alongside a high calibre dman it exposes his shotty and inconsistent game.
Plenty enough to beat your overrated *****, though.

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12-17-2004, 11:39 PM
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What is your point? It was a terrible deal, Milbury has made lots of bad trades.That has nothing to do with his lateral movement or how poorly he played in Sweden.
You used the words of a renown hockey idiot's emotional outburst as his team was losing to McCabe & Co in the playoffs to attempt to support your case of blaming a team result on a single player. You obviously need to think that position over. The rest of us don't have to.

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12-18-2004, 08:30 AM
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Farjestad, 4th place in the Elitserien league, thumps the World Stars 6-1. Shortly thereafter, 10th place HV 71 with no McCabe(8th using NHL point win% of .465) gets thumped by the same World Stars team 5-1 .

Applying the "eency weency data logic used to draw conclusions on a single player with team results" in this thread, it would appear that HV 71 isn't nearly as good as the 4th place Elitserien team and there's no McCabe to blame that on.

From the TO Star :
Part of the problem, European hockey observers say, is that some players arrived in Europe without a training camp and believed they would simply step into what they thought was an inferior league and dominate right away.

"Players who aren't used to it struggle with the big ice and it takes at least 10 or 15 games to catch on to the way we play hockey," said HV71 general manager Dag Larson. "Even Swedish players who have been in the NHL for a couple of years and come back home to play, it takes them almost two months before they can play the way they used to play. Not very often a guy comes here and starts to produce right away."
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Zito said offensive defencemen, in particular, take a long time to figure out the European game.


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12-18-2004, 09:02 AM
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The worldstars wouldn´t have lost with 1-6 against Färjestad if they had played like they did versus HV71. And there is also a big difference between Martin Gerber in Färjestad & 18-year old goalie Magnus Åkerlund in HV71.


But who knows? Bryan might have succeed in Sweden if he had sticked around.

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12-18-2004, 11:06 PM
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You used the words of a renown hockey idiot's emotional outburst as his team was losing to McCabe & Co in the playoffs to attempt to support your case of blaming a team result on a single player. You obviously need to think that position over. The rest of us don't have to.
The "renown hockey idiot" was a better Dman than McCabe, maybe you should rethink your position.

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12-19-2004, 12:01 AM
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The "renown hockey idiot" was a better Dman than McCabe, maybe you should rethink your position.
That has little to do with his very questionable track recond on judging talent.

And Milbury, never an all star, wasn't that special as a dman. Unlike you, I watched him play throughout his entire career. McCabe is definitely more gifted offensively and I'd give the edge to Milbury defensively but not by that much. When you read their stats, make sure you take into consideration the differences in the scoring eras that they played in and the teams that they played on.

I'd take McCabe fairly easily over Milbury.

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12-19-2004, 09:05 AM
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Its a known fact that the SEL is less physical, but the level of skill is higher than the NHL, several NHL:ers have stated this, for example Morrison and Cleary.
You need to realize that it's part of the north-american culture to give all the cliche compliments to the hosts so their comment really don't prove anything.

If you really think that any other league is even close to NHL in skill level you're in deep denial.

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