Nash might be better than Semin but i'd say its more accurate to say that Nash is more consistent than Semin. At their best Nash has 1 more goal but Semin had 5 more pts.
One thing is for sure though Nash is definitely not better than Semin, Filppula, and Franzen combined.
Nash might be better than Semin but i'd say its more accurate to say that Nash is more consistent than Semin. At their best Nash has 1 more goal but Semin had 5 more pts.
One thing is for sure though Nash is definitely not better than Semin, Filppula, and Franzen combined.
Agreed. Not worth giving up both Fil and Franzen for.
Agreed. Not worth giving up both Fil and Franzen for.
agreed but come on
does anyone in their right mind actually think any team would give up their equivalent of filppula and franzen for nash?
hockey trades are always based on past precedent, its hf board posters who go way off the tracks in predicting/assuming what a player will be traded for
The answer is pretty simple to me. I'll take the 1st package. Way more speed, tenacity and two shoot first players. Franzen + Filppula for Nash is something I would do in a heartbeat. He is MUCH better than people give him credit for, and on a this team, he's lights out.
The answer is pretty simple to me. I'll take the 1st package. Way more speed, tenacity and two shoot first players. Franzen + Filppula for Nash is something I would do in a heartbeat. He is MUCH better than people give him credit for, and on a this team, he's lights out.
both of those top 6's are great
i do not believe nash will be traded for a pckg of filppula plus franzen(orotherteams equivalent)
the jackets will get a young(mid 20's) top 6 forward who carries a reasonable cap hit, a top prospect and a pick(most noteably a 1st rounder) and thats honestly about it
The answer is pretty simple to me. I'll take the 1st package. Way more speed, tenacity and two shoot first players. Franzen + Filppula for Nash is something I would do in a heartbeat. He is MUCH better than people give him credit for, and on a this team, he's lights out.
You left Parise off the 2nd list, we'd be much more likely to fit him into the roster with Semin than with Nash's 7.8 million cap hit.
The 1st package is also slower, Hudler is by far the slowest player on the team, even Holmstrom moves quicker than he does.
The second group should be
Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Semin, Parise, Franzen, Filppula which is much better than either of the 2 groups you have there.
You left Parise off the 2nd list, we'd be much more likely to fit him into the roster with Semin than with Nash's 7.8 million cap hit.
The 1st package is also slower, Hudler is by far the slowest player on the team, even Holmstrom moves quicker than he does.
The second group should be
Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Semin, Parise, Franzen, Filppula which is much better than either of the 2 groups you have there.
Do you have any idea how unrealistic that is in a cap world? Flip, Datsyuk and every defenseman except Kronwall's contract's expire in 1-3 years. You think signing 2 high profile FA, likely both wath cap hits over 6, resignging Flip, Datsyuk, Howard and all our defenseman all while keeping Franzen's lifetime contract on the books is smart, let alone possible? I don't think it is. There would be a blatant disregard for defense if you want to sign all those players and keep Franzen and Filppula.
Do you have any idea how unrealistic that is in a cap world? Flip, Datsyuk and every defenseman except Kronwall's contract's expire in 1-3 years. You think signing 2 high profile FA, likely both wath cap hits over 6, resignging Flip, Datsyuk, Howard and all our defenseman all while keeping Franzen's lifetime contract on the books is smart, let alone possible? I don't think it is. There would be a blatant disregard for defense if you want to sign all those players and keep Franzen and Filppula.
The difference between our 2 rosters going forward isn't that great.
You'd have approximately 2 million in cap space with yours and I'd have about 1 million.
The next year White, Cleary, Kindl, MacDonald and Miller can all be let go if the cap doesn't go up, and Lidstrom will almost definitely be retired which leaves around 18 million dollars to re-sign Flip, Howard, 2 defenceman, 2 bottom 6 forwards and a back-up goalie. If you take half of that and apply it to Flip and Howard (4.5 Mill each) and pick up a 3-4 million dollar defenceman, you can fill the other spots with 1 million dollar players and still have a cushion above a million going forward.
I agree that he is better, but considering Semin has almost the exact same (actually a bit higher) goals per game ratio over his career, and wouldn't cost assets to acquire. The amount Semin is underrated on this forum is unreal. He's been on pace for 35 goals every season of his career but his last one
I agree that he is better, but considering Semin has almost the exact same (actually a bit higher) goals per game ratio over his career, and wouldn't cost assets to acquire. The amount Semin is underrated on this forum is unreal. He's been on pace for 35 goals every season of his career but his last one
Could not agree more with this analysis. I would take Semin before Nash, he fits the Red Wings system better.
The difference between our 2 rosters going forward isn't that great.
You'd have approximately 2 million in cap space with yours and I'd have about 1 million.
The next year White, Cleary, Kindl, MacDonald and Miller can all be let go if the cap doesn't go up, and Lidstrom will almost definitely be retired which leaves around 18 million dollars to re-sign Flip, Howard, 2 defenceman, 2 bottom 6 forwards and a back-up goalie. If you take half of that and apply it to Flip and Howard (4.5 Mill each) and pick up a 3-4 million dollar defenceman, you can fill the other spots with 1 million dollar players and still have a cushion above a million going forward.
If the cap goes up you can do even more.
with where the cap is now, I'm not even sure there's a point to it. The cap/floor has went up so fast, and so many more teams are spending so much more money, that the cap itself isn't what will keep us from getting who we want - it'll just be other teams.
Something to mention, though: for anyone who wants prospects moved onto the team quicker, the best way to force that is to spend more on the top end of the roster. At that point, you have to bring in some affordable guys from somewhere, and it's most likely to be from your prospect pool.
I would take Parise, he has better production and also did it with no help.
But than I would trade for Jordan Staal, who has a lower cap hit, is younger and is still a very solid center in this league. The wings would give up less for him than Nash too and the roster would get a much needed change
I would take Parise, he has better production and also did it with no help.
But than I would trade for Jordan Staal, who has a lower cap hit, is younger and is still a very solid center in this league. The wings would give up less for him than Nash too and the roster would get a much needed change
Staal might want out, but I'm not sure he'll get what he wants, or that he'll re-sign wherever he goes-regardless of role. Bob McKenzie was musing on twitter last night that Jordan is really just going to wait until after next season when he's a UFA and go to Carolina to join his brothers. I don't think it's a move that would surprise anyone.
Staal might want out, but I'm not sure he'll get what he wants, or that he'll re-sign wherever he goes-regardless of role. Bob McKenzie was musing on twitter last night that Jordan is really just going to wait until after next season when he's a UFA and go to Carolina to join his brothers. I don't think it's a move that would surprise anyone.
Interestingly the Carolina Hurricanes would instantly become the three headed monster also. With Staal - Staal - Sutter down the middle.
You would think they would have to dump some salaries if that was the case. Maybe get in on Gleason or Pitkanen if that is the case.
I would take Parise, he has better production and also did it with no help.
But than I would trade for Jordan Staal, who has a lower cap hit, is younger and is still a very solid center in this league. The wings would give up less for him than Nash too and the roster would get a much needed change
Parise is the only realistic option here. Holland isn't going to take on Nash's contract ($7.8M for 7 more seasons) and he also isn't going to pay a 3rd line center $5M+ a season (Which Staal will get in the open market if PIT doesn't resign him at the end of next offseason). DET isn't moving Z or Datsyuk from the 1st 2 lines to replace him with Staal.
Parise is the only realistic option here. Holland isn't going to take on Nash's contract ($7.8M for 7 more seasons) and he also isn't going to pay a 3rd line center $5M+ a season (Which Staal will get in the open market if PIT doesn't resign him at the end of next offseason). DET isn't moving Z or Datsyuk from the 1st 2 lines to replace him with Staal.
The thinking on Staal is that he could allow Pavel and Henrik to be reunited.
The thinking on Staal is that he could allow Pavel and Henrik to be reunited.
I think it would do wonders for both of their careers at this point if they could be put on a line with a sniper. There are a ton of good #2 options out there to be had, in both FA and trade. Reuniting the two of them should be a major goal for KH in the next two years.
