Someone just quickly explain to me what's going on. Kind of confused who Friends are.
Lobby group that doesn't want the Lansdowne development to go forward. In their perfect world, the site would be grassed over, except for 2-3 historic buildings and a duck pond put in place.
They had enough funds to go to court to try and block the development, citing the city not following proper procedure. Soundly trounced on original finding and in appeal.
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Lobby group that doesn't want the Lansdowne development to go forward. In their perfect world, the site would be grassed over, except for 2-3 historic buildings and a duck pond put in place.
They had enough funds to go to court to try and block the development, citing the city not following proper procedure. Soundly trounced on original finding and in appeal.
If I had to guess, I would say that attendance will go up substantially for the 67's.
A good portion of STH will keep their tickets, addtionally ticket options are being offered to Sens STH.
Kanata really is a hot-bed for minor hockey, and it would no surprise me in the least to see more and more teams opting to attend the more affordable 67's games vs the Sens.
If I had to guess, I would say that attendance will go up substantially for the 67's.
A good portion of STH will keep their tickets, addtionally ticket options are being offered to Sens STH.
Kanata really is a hot-bed for minor hockey, and it would no surprise me in the least to see more and more teams opting to attend the more affordable 67's games vs the Sens.
While I agree with you, I think what will be more interesting, will be their attendance figures once they go back to the Civic Centre.
While I agree with you, I think what will be more interesting, will be their attendance figures once they go back to the Civic Centre.
I agree. No more $5 ultra-convenient parking right next to the arena anymore. Lansdowne looks horrible as a big parking lot, but it makes it super easy to get to 67's games in the winter.
I would be in love with the 67's at SBP if I still lived in Stittsville.
I can only hope things run smoothly when they move back to the Civic Center. I wouldn't be opposed to a full out rebuild to make it quite a team when they come back to the CC.
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Figured this could use a bump....was biking over to lansdowne today and saw they've dug up half the parking lot and getting ready to move things along!
Not to mention the economic benefit for restraunts in the area, and the boom for the city if they get to host Grey Cups
Exactly why they need to shut these ****ers down. We need the Roughriders/Renegades back and are they not also the reason the Super Ex got axed? I just heard that last part so I don't know if it's true and I'm too lazy to google it...but if it is true I hate them even more. What a bunch of whiny ********.
Exactly why they need to shut these ****ers down. We need the Roughriders/Renegades back and are they not also the reason the Super Ex got axed? I just heard that last part so I don't know if it's true and I'm too lazy to google it...but if it is true I hate them even more. What a bunch of whiny ********.
Thought you were talking about the city instead of friends of landsdowne
Thought you were talking about the city instead of friends of landsdowne
Me too. I think the 'Friends' are shut down now....the courts have taken away any teeth that they had left. They can whine all they want but no one has to listen to them.
Exactly why they need to shut these ****ers down. We need the Roughriders/Renegades back and are they not also the reason the Super Ex got axed? I just heard that last part so I don't know if it's true and I'm too lazy to google it...but if it is true I hate them even more. What a bunch of whiny ********.
Actually, the Super Ex has been trying to move for years. They have new grounds out on Albion road, but they've been unsuccessfully trying to find a partner to help them finance the fair out there. This year, they're sponsoring "Midway Magic" at the Rideau Carleton fairgrounds, but it's not going to technically be the Super Ex, I don't think.
Having been a patron of the Super Ex for most of my early life, I can tell you that the last ten or so years, it's been a shadow of its' former self. I think that the incident in 1998 with the Bungee jumping death really hurt the show's financial viability because of bad press, and the number of attractions was drastically reduced for the final five or so years of its' tenure at Lansdowne.
And to be fair to Friends of Lansdowne, they have some very valid complaints. The recent protests with respect to migratory birds and business cost benefit analyses smack more of desperation than actual serious complaints. They want to draw attention to shady business practices, as well as try to help the local businesses on Bank Street not lose business to what will likely be a much more easily competitive market (due to the lack of rent the developers will be paying on Lansdowne Park) as well as the transforming of formerly public land, which was gifted to the city ages back, into private property.
I agree that the stadium needs to be built, and that they've been forcing the city to drag its' heels with respect to the actual groundbreaking, but the method by which the developers ended up getting the contract was quite unethical, or at least not according to sound business practices.
That being said, I cannot WAIT until we get Renegades/Rough Riders football back. I was absolutely crushed when the Gleibermans got control of the team again, because it was honestly the death knell for the franchise. So long as we avoid those owners, Ottawa football should do pretty well for itself. South Side upper deck forever.
Actually, the Super Ex has been trying to move for years. They have new grounds out on Albion road, but they've been unsuccessfully trying to find a partner to help them finance the fair out there. This year, they're sponsoring "Midway Magic" at the Rideau Carleton fairgrounds, but it's not going to technically be the Super Ex, I don't think.
Having been a patron of the Super Ex for most of my early life, I can tell you that the last ten or so years, it's been a shadow of its' former self. I think that the incident in 1998 with the Bungee jumping death really hurt the show's financial viability because of bad press, and the number of attractions was drastically reduced for the final five or so years of its' tenure at Lansdowne.
And to be fair to Friends of Lansdowne, they have some very valid complaints. The recent protests with respect to migratory birds and business cost benefit analyses smack more of desperation than actual serious complaints. They want to draw attention to shady business practices, as well as try to help the local businesses on Bank Street not lose business to what will likely be a much more easily competitive market (due to the lack of rent the developers will be paying on Lansdowne Park) as well as the transforming of formerly public land, which was gifted to the city ages back, into private property.
I agree that the stadium needs to be built, and that they've been forcing the city to drag its' heels with respect to the actual groundbreaking, but the method by which the developers ended up getting the contract was quite unethical, or at least not according to sound business practices.
That being said, I cannot WAIT until we get Renegades/Rough Riders football back. I was absolutely crushed when the Gleibermans got control of the team again, because it was honestly the death knell for the franchise. So long as we avoid those owners, Ottawa football should do pretty well for itself. South Side upper deck forever.
I really don't think this project is shady in any way what this is really about is some want a central park we could have open bid after open bid it could go on for another 20 years and untill some get what they want they will keep fighting.
I really don't think this project is shady in any way what this is really about is some want a central park we could have open bid after open bid it could go on for another 20 years and untill some get what they want they will keep fighting.
The shadiness doesn't come from the fact that they didn't get a park, the shadiness comes from the fact that a multi-million dollar project was sourced without a proper public competition, the fact that the plans put forward by OSEG this year as part of the "Master Plan" are different than the ones they initially proposed in several major ways, and the fact that the financial impact this will have on the ottawa taxpayer seems to have been vastly underestimated by the OSEG estimate.
I'm glad they're getting on with it, park or not, public design or not, because this is something that needs to happen. But I'm all for bringing attention to unethical business practices to stomp them out wherever we can.
The shadiness doesn't come from the fact that they didn't get a park, the shadiness comes from the fact that a multi-million dollar project was sourced without a proper public competition, the fact that the plans put forward by OSEG this year as part of the "Master Plan" are different than the ones they initially proposed in several major ways, and the fact that the financial impact this will have on the ottawa taxpayer seems to have been vastly underestimated by the OSEG estimate.
I'm glad they're getting on with it, park or not, public design or not, because this is something that needs to happen. But I'm all for bringing attention to unethical business practices to stomp them out wherever we can.
Good luck trying to get people to understand that it isn't as simple as: arena is good, people who oppose it must be bad!
The shadiness doesn't come from the fact that they didn't get a park, the shadiness comes from the fact that a multi-million dollar project was sourced without a proper public competition, the fact that the plans put forward by OSEG this year as part of the "Master Plan" are different than the ones they initially proposed in several major ways, and the fact that the financial impact this will have on the ottawa taxpayer seems to have been vastly underestimated by the OSEG estimate.
I'm glad they're getting on with it, park or not, public design or not, because this is something that needs to happen. But I'm all for bringing attention to unethical business practices to stomp them out wherever we can.
There has been open competitions in the past with very little interest this has been going on for 20 years while some that don't support this say its because was not fair but if you look at comments they post etc most you can have the same tone we want a central park we want green space.
I'm sure that there are just oodles of groups out there that have the experience, capital and ability to pull off a project like this.
Add to the fact that this group owns the 67's and the rights to the CFL team and who else would have been a good fit to develop the land.
If I hear one anymore about "shady backroom deals" I'm going to scream. It was never backroom, it was never shady...it was clear as day that OSEG was the right fit for the city to work with.
The Friends used the process argument because that is the oldest trick in the political book. If you can't win on the merits of the case, try to de-legitimize the process, and see if you can win that way. Even amongst the Friends themselves, there is no consensus on what they wanted to see at Lansdowne - on the one hand, they talked about having something "world class", but in the next breath they whined about traffic. So, what they wanted was a world class attraction that no one ever came to see. :-) I am delighted that this is finally moving forward - once it is done, people will be wondering what all the fuss was about, and why we couldn't have done this ten years ago.
Good luck trying to get people to understand that it isn't as simple as: arena is good, people who oppose it must be bad!
The Friends have been shadier than anyone else in this business. They have been very quick on the mark to smear anyone in their way, but they are anything but transparent themselves in their dealings. They made a big point of keeping their donors list secretbut we know they were funded by some people who have axes to grind-the Sun discovered that a public service union and unnamed developer had a big hand in funding them. .
.They are pretty good at spin though, you would think they raised all their money themslves at brownie sales etc and with their ghastly singing..
The Friends were nowhere to be found while Lansdowne was falling apart and not a peep out of them about transactions at city hall not having to do with their nighburhood. They are really just a NIMBY group
Taking their kids out of school to draw pictures of a tree saying"Please dont cut me down"is typical of their habit of using kids in their various PR stunts.
I know some of the people involved and I can tell you that they simply dont want to have a staidum there.
They try to soft pedal that now but from the start that was their aim and they used to be more upfront about it.Complaining about the process is just one arrow in thier quiver.
I think the 'Friends' are shut down now....the courts have taken away any teeth that they had left. They can whine all they want but no one has to listen to them.
