Stop with the Saad stuff.He's not going anywhere unless there's a massive overpayment coming back.While Kipper is a big improvement over Crawford,he's not good enough or young enough to warrant giving up Saad.
Crawford,Morin,Frolik +2nd for Kipper +4th.That's still a bit much,but as someone pointed out Morin is becoming redundant and Frolik has to be included for cap reasons.
If the Flames decide to go with youth and are willing to part with Iginla,Kipper and Jbo then I think a deal can be done involving picks,prospects and a couple of roster players(again for cap reasons 1 or 2 have to come off the roster)
Maybe something along the lines of Crawford,Frolik,Bickell,Morin,Pirri,Clendenning(sp )+1st&3rd for all three of the above.That's a decent return for a couple of guys with only a couple of yrs left and a 2nd pairing dman.
So the difference between "elite" and "below average" is .004 in save %?
Based on 30 shots per game, that's less than 1 goal every 8 games.
Kipper has had some excellent years, just not 2 in a row for quite some time.
.920-.930: Very Good, goaltending is a strength for your team
.910-.920: Average to above average, goaltending is steady but you need to have a very good team in most other areas to be one of the best teams in the league
.900-.910: Below average, goaltending is a weakness and loses games for you, need to acquire a goalie ASAP, only way for guys in this range to have a good record is luck and a hell of a lot of goal support, only somewhat acceptable if the guy is facing 40 shots or more every game or playing 70+ games for a bad team like Ward in Carolina
No thanks. I wouldn't even give a first rounder for Kipper. Hopefully, we'll draft someone in the first round that will either be in our system for years to come, or be able to trade the person we draft, or the draft pick itself, for another person that's be with us for years to come or multiple players. Making that part of a one for one trade for someone that has a few years left in him, tops, is completely out of the question as far as I'm concerned.
And no ****ing way we're giving up Saad for an older netminder either.
All goalies available are old, and that only fixes our goalie problem for maybe 3-4 season, then what do we do?
What do we then? We handle that problem. Then.
Until that point, we'll have good goaltending. Hopefully we'll also have some deep playoff runs, and a young prospect who gets proper development time and would be ready to challenge for the starting role.
Kipper would be a definite upgrade over Crawford at this point but that cap hit and giving up assets besides Crawford for him would be difficult. 4-5 years ago I'd say he was a top 5 goalie but now he is a middle of the pack starting goalie. I must also add that I wasn't overly impressed with him in his last playoff stint against the Hawks in '09.