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05-08-2012, 01:58 PM
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We need something NOW. Not 3 years from now. We draft a goalie for down the road and get Kipper or another elite for the interim.

He is a very elite goalie. Stats and numbers only tell some of the story. I have seen him play on too many occasions and he is exactly what we need!
Agreed, this guy has had to deal with a lot, D-men getting moved out, Giordano hurt for a long time. He still looks really good. Price needs to be right though.

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05-08-2012, 02:32 PM
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In 3 years Crawford straight up for Kipper would end up looking like one of the worst deals this team has ever made.

Goaltending is not even a top 3 problem for this team.

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05-08-2012, 03:02 PM
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In 3 years Crawford straight up for Kipper would end up looking like one of the worst deals this team has ever made.

Goaltending is not even a top 3 problem for this team.
Second pairing D man, 2nd line center, and Goaltending. its top three thats how i look at it at least

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05-08-2012, 03:24 PM
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Second pairing D man, 2nd line center, and Goaltending. its top three thats how i look at it at least
1- Mike Kitchen still having a job
2- PP
3- PK
4- Lack of any coherent system on defense
5- Lack of any coherent system in transition
6- Lack of any coherent system on offense
7- McDonough having a say in Hockey issues
8- Misuse of players already on the roster
9- Top 4 D-man
10- 2C
11- Goaltending

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05-08-2012, 03:27 PM
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1- Mike Kitchen still having a job
2- PP
3- PK
4- Lack of any coherent system on defense
5- Lack of any coherent system in transition
6- Lack of any coherent system on offense
7- McDonough having a say in Hockey issues
8- Misuse of players already on the roster
9- Top 4 D-man
10- 2C
11- Goaltending
Pretty much this. Though, I'd put their lack of structure in the defensive zone as their most pressing issue, right after Mike Kitchen being employed by the Hawks.


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05-08-2012, 03:42 PM
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Pretty much this. Though, I'd puck their lack of structure in the defensive zone as their most pressing issue, right after Mike Kitchen being employed by the Hawks.
1-5 are all pretty tightly grouped for me. The only reason I would put the PP and PK higher than general defense is because of how laughably bad they both were.

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05-08-2012, 03:47 PM
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.900-.910: Below average, goaltending is a weakness and loses games for you, need to acquire a goalie ASAP, only way for guys in this range to have a good record is luck and a hell of a lot of goal support, only somewhat acceptable if the guy is facing 40 shots or more every game or playing 70+ games for a bad team like Ward in Carolina
Absolutely no one does 40+ saves shutouts quite like Cam Ward does. Plus with him, you don't even think he would want to play with a serviceable defense, he just thrives on that ****.

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05-08-2012, 03:49 PM
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1-5 are all pretty tightly grouped for me. The only reason I would put the PP and PK higher than general defense is because of how laughably bad they both were.
Yeah, but we know the PK will be better once Kitchen is gone and the PP really should be better, just based on talent alone.

What's truely laughable is the Hawks Dmen, clearly being told to pay "special" attention to players behind the net. So much so that both Dmen must stand at each post, starring at the player behind the net, while the slot is completely unguarded leaving Crawford/Emery/Whoever out to dry. We saw it so many times this year. Sedin's OT winner against the Canucks.. Brule's 2-0 dagger in the 3rd period of game 6.. and those are just a couple that automatically come to mind. It's awful. Then add to that the Hawks wingers constantly bolting out of the zone whenever the Hawks Dmen might be getting the puck and the complete disorganization that happened on breakouts coming out of their zone on a nightly basis and it's just god awful.

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05-08-2012, 03:55 PM
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I don't disagree on any particular point. I just think it would be easier to fix the PP and PK quickly than overhaul the defense. Which is why I find it more disheartening that it was so bad for so long.

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05-08-2012, 04:00 PM
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I don't disagree on any particular point. I just think it would be easier to fix the PP and PK quickly than overhaul the defense. Which is why I find it more disheartening that it was so bad for so long.
Exactly, which is what I'm saying. The more pressing need is the defensive play.

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05-08-2012, 04:02 PM
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Kipper would improve our PK for sure. Your PK will be bad when your worst penalty killer is Crawford or Emery

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I'd rather structure the team around dominating 5 on 5 and take special teams gains as a bonus like they did in the Cup year.

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05-08-2012, 04:03 PM
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tbh, I don't even know why anyone would suggest trading a goalie back for Kipper. We don't need Crawford, we already have a bunch of goalies who can make the step up.

1st, Mcneill, Frolik, you can have Kipper.
Unless you want a blockbuster, we can throw in Giordano and our first for Saad and Hjalmarsson?

I don't know, I don't make proposals often.

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05-08-2012, 04:04 PM
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Kipper would improve our PK for sure. Your PK will be bad when your worst penalty killer is Crawford or Emery
Our PK is bad because of the retarded system implemented by Kitchen. It has nothing to do with Crawford or Emery.. nor does it have anything to do with the defensemen or forwards, per se. The Dmen are told not to touch anyone infront of the net and because 1 forward is always a part of the triangle, it makes it near impossible for the other forward to block shots on D-to-D passes.

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Kipper would improve our PK for sure. Your PK will be bad when your worst penalty killer is Crawford or Emery
Unless Kipper is going to win the face offs, clear the puck, clear the front of the net, pressure point man so he doesn't get a clear look at the net, keep the team from going for a line change when the puck is in the neutral zone, and get everyone to move instead of standing around watching the puck, the pk will still be horrible no matter who you put between the pipes.

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tbh, I don't even know why anyone would suggest trading a goalie back for Kipper. We don't need Crawford, we already have a bunch of goalies who can make the step up.

1st, Mcneill, Frolik, you can have Kipper.
Unless you want a blockbuster, we can throw in Giordano and our first for Saad and Hjalmarsson?

I don't know, I don't make proposals often.
Which is why I'll go easy on you and simply say never make another proporsal again. The 1st one is bad.. the 2nd one is..

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tbh, I don't even know why anyone would suggest trading a goalie back for Kipper. We don't need Crawford, we already have a bunch of goalies who can make the step up.

1st, Mcneill, Frolik, you can have Kipper.
Unless you want a blockbuster, we can throw in Giordano and our first for Saad and Hjalmarsson?

I don't know, I don't make proposals often.
Because you would have to take one back as a salary dump for any deal to go down. And that offer is just plain horrid.

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Crawford played like **** for most of the year and was the reason for his bad play. Kipper would stop the unstopable shots

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Head up big guy.. we've all made bad proposals at one time or another on this board.

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Head up big guy.. we've all made bad proposals at one time or another on this board.
If it wasn't for your support I don't how I could go on..

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1- Mike Kitchen still having a job
2- PP
3- PK
4- Lack of any coherent system on defense
5- Lack of any coherent system in transition
6- Lack of any coherent system on offense
7- McDonough having a say in Hockey issues
8- Misuse of players already on the roster
9- Top 4 D-man
10- 2C
11- Goaltending
ok i thought we were talking about roster problems...

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If it wasn't for your support I don't how I could go on..
Hey man... I gotchu.

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ok i thought we were talking about roster problems...
The roster problems are negligible in comparison to the other things on that list.

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