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04-06-2012, 09:10 AM
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2012 CBJ Offseason Thread (All Proposals, Speculation, Blog Rumors in here)

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The draft has its own thread HERE. All other general discussion about the CBJ 2011 Offseason goes here. Original post below:



Hey guys,
I'm just wondering come July 1st who will Howson or the new gm, not even dare to think about move? Is there anybody on the roster or does he just need to clean the house? I mean I like JJ.

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Prospal and JJ, I suppose although there really should never be an untouchable if you can make your team better. Those are just the two I see not being considered for a move.

I think players like dorsett should never be moved either because you would never get back anything remotely close to his value to the team.

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I'd say some of the younger guys who the Jackets will expect to be the core of the team going forward - Atkinson, Johansen, Nikitin (I believe he's an RFA, but I think he'll be in Union Blue next season), Moore, probably Calvert and Savard (though I'd certainly hesitate to say untouchable). Among the vets, no way they get rid of Jack Johnson or Prospal, and I'd be shocked if they traded Tyutin. No way anyone takes on Wiz's contract and I don't think the Jackets would move him anyway. I'd also hold on to Letestu as at $625k he's been a steal. Everyone else is probably fair game, though Umby or Dorsett leaving would certainly surprise me a bit.


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Untouchables? None except Prospal because he has a retirement contract

Only traded for massive overpayment?

Johansen
Moore
Savard
Johnson

maybes ...Dorsett, Umberger, Nikitin, Wisniewski (unless the cap goes up he's untradeable), maybe Brassard because there is no center depth anymore.

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Nobody is untouchable for the right price....at least, that what we argue about every off season.

Nash used to be the only untouchable until he wanted off the team.

My guess is that Prospal will be traded at next year's mid-season deadline if we are in the crapper again.

A lot of people in love with Johansen around here. He's spent a lot of time on the bench this season, and not because of his lack of talent.

While I'm here...

We have a CBJHF poster by the name of DontToewzMeBro, donttazmebro.

and Leek....I see that you've changed your screenname from Leek to "Take the Cannoli" I understand the Godfather reference, but why you? Are you a big fat italian mobster? (If so, I apologize for calling you "big").

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Nobody is untouchable for the right price....at least, that what we argue about every off season.

Nash used to be the only untouchable until he wanted off the team.

My guess is that Prospal will be traded at next year's mid-season deadline if we are in the crapper again.

A lot of people in love with Johansen around here. He's spent a lot of time on the bench this season, and not because of his lack of talent.

While I'm here...

We have a CBJHF poster by the name of DontToewzMeBro, donttazmebro.

and Leek....I see that you've changed your screenname from Leek to "Take the Cannoli" I understand the Godfather reference, but why you? Are you a big fat italian mobster? (If so, I apologize for calling you "big").
Macserv and WinSock are bad influences Jf ! It happened in chat, I think you were there.

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Nobody is untouchable for the right price....at least, that what we argue about every off season.

Nash used to be the only untouchable until he wanted off the team.

My guess is that Prospal will be traded at next year's mid-season deadline if we are in the crapper again.

A lot of people in love with Johansen around here. He's spent a lot of time on the bench this season, and not because of his lack of talent.

While I'm here...

We have a CBJHF poster by the name of DontToewzMeBro, donttazmebro.

and Leek....I see that you've changed your screenname from Leek to "Take the Cannoli" I understand the Godfather reference, but why you? Are you a big fat italian mobster? (If so, I apologize for calling you "big").
Why does that matter?

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Macserv and WinSock are bad influences Jf ! It happened in chat, I think you were there.
You started it!


Forgot to answer the question:

JJ
Vinny
Dorse
Umby
Wiz

Those are my untouchables. Several of the kids (Moore, Cam, Johan,etc.) are probably safe too.


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Why does that matter?
I think hes just pointing it out, bro, calm down.

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Why does that matter?
Because I hate you??

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I think hes just pointing it out, bro, calm down.


I'm a pointer-outer, what can I say.

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Macserv and WinSock are bad influences Jf ! It happened in chat, I think you were there.
I don't recall that happening in the chat, but I usually try to forget what happens in the chat.

Funny thing is the guy who says "Take the Cannoli" is taking a "leak" just before they shoot the guy. Coincidence?

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Given Wiz' propensity for injury, why is he untouchable?
Is it because some think he can't pass the physical?

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Wisniewski
JMFJ
Atkinson
Johansen
BOOOOONE
Dorsett

Everybody else could potentially go for the right price

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Because I hate you??





I'm a pointer-outer, what can I say.



I don't recall that happening in the chat, but I usually try to forget what happens in the chat.

Funny thing is the guy who says "Take the Cannoli" is taking a "leak" just before they shoot the guy. Coincidence?

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Given Wiz' propensity for injury, why is he untouchable?
Is it because some think he can't pass the physical?
Wisniewski is untouchable because it's unlikely any other team wants to "touch" his contract. It will burn their fingers.

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I'd say no one should be untouchable but here is my list of guys I would most want to keep and would require a boatload to get:

JMFJ

Atkinson

Dorsett

first overall draft choice

Here's my guys who I wouldn't want to see go but if the deal was very good, so be it

Wis

Brass

Johansen

Moore

Nikitin

Tyutin

Letestu

Mackenzie


Fence sitting:

Umberger - last 15 games or so he moves up to the above; first part of season, amf

Boll - somebody has to be the tough guy but

Prospal - somebody has to be the seasoned veteran (and its pretty obvious to me he isn't going anywhere)

The rest:

Who cares

Most definitely has to go somewhere:

Mason - back and forth on him but I think he has to go

AJ

Lebda

Bottom line is this team finished 30th; changes have to be made. Who goes and who stays and who joins is going to be interesting to watch. Probably more so than this past season.

And I think Nash has to go unless the offers are just so underwhelming that it would be foolish to trade him. He is the face of the franchise but the franchise has sucked for basically its entire existence. Trading him seems to me to be the quickest way to start reconstructing a new identity. To me John Buccigross summed up the Nash situation perfectly:

I do not believe Rick Nash HAS to move. I do believe reasonable people can work this out. Nash is a very good player and a good person. But if Nash has crossed that bridge, this can be a good thing for Columbus by taking taking advantage of a desperate market like Toronto, who will be a major player this summer. Columbus will have many (potential trade partners) for Nash. They should get a great return, give Jack Johnson the C and follow the Nashville model of drafting, developing and creating a culture. Jeff Carter was doomed from the start. Anyone could see it.

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Last place by 11 lengths...nobody is untouchable for the right price. I think the more appropriate question should be: "Who does the team have to try very hard to move?"

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Yeah, wouldn't you guy's want wiz out? He has a pretty hefty contract and his injuries.

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Yeah, wouldn't you guy's want wiz out? He has a pretty hefty contract and his injuries.
But he's a heck of a lot better than whatever else we have for a 1b-now if Suter wants to sign here

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JMFJ is the ONLY untouchable on this roster.

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JMFJ is the ONLY untouchable on this roster.
Damn right Lee, the rest I don't care one way or another.

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Stay:
JMFJ
Wiz
Atkinson
Dorsett
Johansen

maybe: Umberger

Citgo: Mason and Aaron Johnson

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Yeah, wouldn't you guy's want wiz out? He has a pretty hefty contract and his injuries.
Yeah, because it makes a lot of sense to want a guy out that you just signed. He had a tough year (didn't they all). You do have to commit to some players and not overreact based on unusual results sometimes.

My "untouchables" would be (this assumes none demand to get out, and so forth)

Johansen
Atkinson
Brassard
Dorsett
Nash

JMFJ
Wiz
Nikitin

I would also include Jenner in this list among all prospects without NHL experience.

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My guess is that Prospal will be traded at next year's mid-season deadline if we are in the crapper again.
Prospal has a NMC. He'll have to approve it, and my guess is he won't--for family reasons.

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Offseason Personnel Decisions

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Keep Dorsett and DMac, maybe Sanford.

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