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05-14-2012, 05:29 PM
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I may have posted this in here; I don't remember and I never pass up the opportunity to re-post my prior thoughts anyway.

All of the following players scored less than 25 points in their 18- or 19-year-old season in the NHL (since 1990-91).

Stephen Weiss
Scott Hartnell
Shane Doan
Tyler Seguin
Kyle Turris
Justin Williams
Pierre-Marc Bouchard
Petr Nedved
Owen Nolan
Nathan Horton
Joe Thornton
Alexander Semin
Adam Deadmarsh
Jeff Friesen
Ryan Smyth
Dustin Brown
Ryan Kesler
Keith Tkachuk
Pavol Demitra
Adam Graves
Olli Jokinen



Tangible? Ask Patrick Kane.
Patrick Kane has insight into the alleged attitude issues of Ryan Johansen? I'm pretty sure they were talking about RyJo not rookies in general.

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Patrick Kane has insight into the alleged attitude issues of Ryan Johansen? I'm pretty sure they were talking about RyJo not rookies in general.
So when did Ryan Johansen beat up a cabbie over 10 cents?

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Patrick Kane has insight into the alleged attitude issues of Ryan Johansen? I'm pretty sure they were talking about RyJo not rookies in general.

Zee hockey player? Tell me, how do you score from the left side?!?


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Watching practice, watching off-ice situations, listening to people who are closer to the team than you or I are.
You have more BS than Carter has liver pills, so tell us who those people are that are in your words "listening to people who are closer to the team than you or I are."[/QUOTE]


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I was doing some searching, and found this interview with Jason Bonsignore. He was 4th overall in 1994, and never quite panned out in the NHL. He was there for Edmonton's decline period and into the turmoil of a possible move to Houston, so...

http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.ph...edmonton_down/

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I was doing some searching, and found this interview with Jason Bonsignore. He was 4th overall in 1994, and never quite panned out in the NHL. He was there for Edmonton's decline period and into the turmoil of a possible move to Houston, so...

http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.ph...edmonton_down/
That's a very interesting article and brings up a point.

RyJo was here last year because he wasn't old enough for the AHL. He did play well at the start of the season, but he was playing against men. Lots of people (including Vinny) wore down as the season progressed. He would have been what, a sophomore in college last year? He might be ready if he does what I read, gains weight and muscle, but next year Springfield is an option, and we should use it.

He's a top six center and needs to play that position either here or in Springfield.

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05-23-2012, 05:38 AM
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trade him to edmonton for 1st pick and a prospect

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trade him to toronto for their 1st and gardiner

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Johansen is center right? A position that requires years of experience to grasp regardless of the league..

He was caught in the grey zone this past season, too good for the jrs but arguably not good enough for the NHL, yet not allowed to play in the developmental AHL professional league based on rules for one reason, to support the jr system...

Give the kid a few years... he has the goods he just needs a few years to gain experience, trading him now would be like having an abortion.

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05-25-2012, 02:44 PM
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All the turmoil surrounding the franchise this season and Johansen still scored at a .3 ppg clip as a 19 year old, playing out of position none the less. This is no worse than what Seguin did his first year and he was on a stable contender. I think if JJ, DD, RJU and VP can right the leader-ship(sorry) and give him some good guidance, he has a chance to be develop into a top line center within a couple years. If he comes in stronger and faster like he should, he's got a chance to grab one of the top two center spots this year. Personally, if he comes in top shape, I'd stick him with Vinny and someone with some grit, maybe Dors. Sort of similar to his line dynamics in Portland and it would give him a chance to learn from 2 guys who leave their heart out there on the ice.

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why was johansen drafted you ask?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz5Wu0aEnRk

To me he almost reminds me of nash or a thorton. Hes definitely got some speed when he wants it, mix that with his reach and scoring ability (if developed right) could lead to a very talented player. But its all about how they develop him and surround him with. Imagine him with yakupov and aktinson. . .

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See Voracek, Brassard, Brule, Filatov, etc... These guys were put in top line slots without "earning it".

IMO this is a big problem with CBJ development. Make the kids earn it. Let Johansen work his way to the top lines and not have to face top defensive pairings, etc, right out of the gate. Jake is thriving in his relative obscurity in Philly. This is a great way to develop players.

Not every rookie (see Couturier) can shut down Malkin when they are 19 yrs old.
Thriving is scoring the exact same amount of points this year compared to last year?

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why was johansen drafted you ask?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz5Wu0aEnRk

To me he almost reminds me of nash or a thorton. Hes definitely got some speed when he wants it, mix that with his reach and scoring ability (if developed right) could lead to a very talented player. But its all about how they develop him and surround him with. Imagine him with yakupov and aktinson. . .
For his passing/vision, he was compared to Thornton/H. Sedin.

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So if RyJo isn't ready for prime time, who is the jackets #2 center? Or for that matter if he sticks with the big club but is a 4th liner or such.

Letestu? Prospal? And if Letestu is 2nd who is 3rd?

Barring getting someone like Pavelski in a trade, he better be ready.

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So if RyJo isn't ready for prime time, who is the jackets #2 center? Or for that matter if he sticks with the big club but is a 4th liner or such.

Letestu? Prospal? And if Letestu is 2nd who is 3rd?

Barring getting someone like Pavelski in a trade, he better be ready.
Brassard?

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Brassard is #1 and #2 is ?

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Brassard is #1 and #2 is ?

Whoever wins the job in camp. It might be Ryjo. Might be someone new. Might be Test Tube. Nothing against him, but I hope it's not him.

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I fully expect Howson to trade Nash for a top 6 center to fill our that spot. This sort of leaves Johansen in a gray zone again, not the way I'd like to develop him. If he comes out and OVER impresses Richards in camp, which seems difficult with Richards, he could make the team. Most likely I think he goes to the AHL to properly develop. This I think would be for the best.

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I fully expect Howson to trade Nash for a top 6 center to fill our that spot. This sort of leaves Johansen in a gray zone again, not the way I'd like to develop him. If he comes out and OVER impresses Richards in camp, which seems difficult with Richards, he could make the team. Most likely I think he goes to the AHL to properly develop. This I think would be for the best.
So if johan goes to the ahl to develop imagine next year if Atkinson continues to develop at the potential hes shown plus either yakupov/forsberg after a year in nhl or anotheyear or two developing in forsbergs case. But imagine the potential of that line. Or if we trade nash for another top 5 pick I think johansen could flourish surrounded by a couple other young studs. It gives the whole organization a revamp.

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trade him to toronto for their 1st and gardiner
Lesser player/prospect than Gards but sure for the idea. 1st+ for RyJo.

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So if johan goes to the ahl to develop imagine next year if Atkinson continues to develop at the potential hes shown plus either yakupov/forsberg after a year in nhl or anotheyear or two developing in forsbergs case. But imagine the potential of that line. Or if we trade nash for another top 5 pick I think johansen could flourish surrounded by a couple other young studs. It gives the whole organization a revamp.
Atkinson is just getting started at 22 but he's showing great promise to be a regular top six forward in the NHL, he has a nose for the net and IS a bright spot in the CBJ future; as I hope Johansen is as well in time.

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We will see with Atkinson. Calvert looked pretty good last year as well, I trust CBJ youth to flourish about as far as I can throw em.

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So if RyJo isn't ready for prime time, who is the jackets #2 center? Or for that matter if he sticks with the big club but is a 4th liner or such.

Letestu?
You needed to ask? Letestu was the obvious answer. We should look at having a back up plan. More for Brassard than Letestu. Center is where we really could use a stop gap player. Not look for "The solution". They are probably going to be patient for another year with Brassard.

As I stated in the prediction thread, I think Johnansen is going to bounce back and forth a bit with the AHL. I wouldn't go into the FA period with him penciled in with a roster spot and plan accordingly.

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We will see with Atkinson. Calvert looked pretty good last year as well, I trust CBJ youth to flourish about as far as I can throw em.
They played different. When Calvert quit using his break away speed, or when teams started paying attention to him, he become ineffective. Atkinson plays a far more complete game.

Having said that, I doubt we've seen the last of Calvert producing. Way too early to make career judgments on him as he can score goals at the NHL level. The question with Calvert is can his game translate to top six at the NHL level. If not can he adjust to a role player. If he can, he could be a great source of secondary scoring and give the Jackets a real threat to have three scoring lines, like they keep threatening to do.

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We will see with Atkinson. Calvert looked pretty good last year as well, I trust CBJ youth to flourish about as far as I can throw em.
I'm crossing my fingers he's not Calvert v1.2. I think his age and broader experience make him a more confident bet. He'll be 23 in a week.

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