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General Talk '12 — Canada (Part II)

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05-11-2012, 02:32 AM
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So out of curiosity I plugged in Team Canada onto CapGeek, and the roster ended up being about $11 million above the cap. I've even omitted Vlasic since he's out injured and no longer playing, and I couldn't find Ryan Murray on CapGeek (who I assume will be on a fairly cheap EL salary, and therefore wouldn't affect the cap much). I'm not sure how I'd modify the roster to make this team cap-compliant, but at least we know on paper this team, if they spent enough time practicing together should be able to contend with the best in the NHL.


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05-11-2012, 02:39 AM
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Getzlaf, Ryan Anaheim Ducks C 27 $5,750,000
Today we are going to see if Getzlaf will knock everyone out in three minutes. I hope that they give him some beer before the game

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05-11-2012, 02:46 AM
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So out of curiosity I plugged in Team Canada onto CapGeek, and the roster ended up being about $11 million above the cap.
It also has many top youngsters which have low salary (Tavares, RHN, Eberle, Skinner, Benn, Kane), so IMO this team has much more potential and talent than that $11 million actually shows. NHL top teams don't have that kind of combination of elite players and young talent.

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05-11-2012, 06:42 AM
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Does anyone know why IIHF tournaments aren't held in Canada? (Besides 2008)

I mean, looking at the attendance in Europe, I can guarantee that Canada would have higher attendance despite playoff hockey.... and most Canadian teams don't go too far anyways.

EDIT: I guess none of the NHL arenas can commit to them, but other arenas should be available.
I recently read an interview with Bob Nicholson where he said that Hockey Canada has a deal with the IIHF that prevents it from bidding for another WC until 2021, I think it was, at the earliest in return for the world juniors being held in Canada every two years.

I tried to find a link but couldn't.

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05-11-2012, 07:16 AM
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I'm not sure how I'd modify the roster to make this team cap-compliant, but at least we know on paper this team, if they spent enough time practicing together should be able to contend with the best in the NHL.
No ****? Team Canada would be the best team in the NHL hands down. The problem is they are playing on the international ice that takes time to adjust to and they havent played together much as a team.

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05-11-2012, 08:33 AM
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It seems you didn't understand what I wrote. Canada may have better looking team on paper if they can choose from all the best players, but games are not played on paper or on PS3. Canada may play better with its best players but same applies to other countries which have players in NHL. The difference is that Canada has way better replacement players.

Here are some facts about how many players each country has in NHL:

Regular season:
Canada 480
USA 219
Sweden 59
Czech 40
Russia 24
Finland 21
Slovakia 10
Switzerland 7

Now, let's assume that half of players get to playoffs. It means there are only three countries which can make a WHC team of NHL players. Canada has 240 players where to choose from. It really shouldn't be that difficult to make a proper team of those players. Cutting 50% off the NHL player pool hurts more countries which don't have good depth. Canada has 100 players who made at least 36 points and Finland, for example, has 8 players. I guess I don't need to explain which country suffers more from having only 50% NHL players available.

Canada can send a strong team to this tournament if it wants. In fact, having only 50%-70% NHL players available favours Canada in this tournament, because it has so large pool of players. If players are not interested in the tournament, then Hockey Canada can state that players must participate WHC if they want to get to olympics and are not playing in NHL playoffs. It makes it simple: if you want to represent Canada in olympics you need to represent your country also in WHC.
Telling players they have to take part in the Whc would never work.

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05-11-2012, 09:41 AM
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Really bad quality and may have been posted but http://www.iltalehti.fi/iltvjaakieko...22352_a5.shtml perry/getz/benn dancing to finnish rap lolol

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05-11-2012, 10:06 AM
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Shall I undestand this the way Finland is best no matter what, even if they lose?

Imo thats stupid. Paper does not weight a crap, its how they play as a team. If the team wins best of 7 playoff series clearly, its probably played better in the series. Just having better players will not automaticly make better team. Canadians should know that hockey is a team game, not 20 singularities skating around. You need to have high enough skill level but after that the games are not decided on the paper.

Its not like there's a monster drop between Canada and Finland tonight again, you just respect your players more and may not know a crap about players like Immonen, Granlund, Vehanen (backup probably tonight), Pihlström or Väänänen and then are likely to underrate them. Also sometimes players NHL career just wont kick for some reason , but they still can be on the par. They just dont get their best out of them when they get their chance in the NHL. It still doesnt every time mean they dont have the talent to be there.
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Ok fair...

Now

Lets compare last years D with this years D

2 D Luke Schenn Toronto Maple Leafs NHL
3 D Dion Phaneuf Toronto Maple Leafs NHL
7 D Mario Scalzo Adler Mannheim DEL
8 D Brent Burns San Jose Sharks NHL
27 D Alex Pietrangelo St. Louis Blues NHL
33 D Marc Methot Columbus Blue Jackets NHL
You're missing Colaiacovo and Gragnani. Anyway, there are three players back and none of them seem to have changed significantly for better or worse, so the comparison is:

Keith, Bouwmeester, Russell, Quincey, Murray

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Pietrangelo, Burns, Colaiacovo, Gragnani, Scalzo

It's pretty close really, but I would give the edge to this year. Keith is much better than the defencemen on either team, since Pietrangelo was not as good as he has been this season. I found that Burns was kind of a mess last year too, so I would give Bouwmeester the edge thus far.

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05-11-2012, 04:21 PM
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Kris Russell ?? never hear of him
+3 in his first game

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05-11-2012, 11:05 PM
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Is Murray playing any good in the Worlds? If so, then he can be taken first overall ahead of Yakupov.

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05-12-2012, 12:17 AM
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Is Murray playing any good in the Worlds? If so, then he can be taken first overall ahead of Yakupov.
Haven't seen him much, to be honest.

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I haven't been paying that much attention to this tournament due to the early start times, but I saw the highlights. Burrows and Skinner had nice goals.

How has Burrows been his 1 game he got a concussion and his return?

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Really bad quality and may have been posted but http://www.iltalehti.fi/iltvjaakieko...22352_a5.shtml perry/getz/benn dancing to finnish rap lolol
Lol oh man thata classic love the BMF!!

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05-12-2012, 12:42 AM
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Lol oh man thata classic love the BMF!!
Seems that players wifes are in Helsinki. I wonder what they think about nicht_club circus?




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I haven't been paying that much attention to this tournament due to the early start times, but I saw the highlights. Burrows and Skinner had nice goals.

How has Burrows been his 1 game he got a concussion and his return?
He was pretty good with his limited ice time. Think he only played around 8 1/2 minutes today.

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05-12-2012, 02:33 AM
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Is Murray playing any good in the Worlds? If so, then he can be taken first overall ahead of Yakupov.
Yakupov will be taken first.

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Is Murray playing any good in the Worlds? If so, then he can be taken first overall ahead of Yakupov.
He wasn't anything special. Played pretty conservatively and only got burned a few times. Canada was quick to bring in defencemen so that Murray doesn't have to play anymore. He won't vault ahead of Yakupov.

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How has Burrows been his 1 game he got a concussion and his return?
I thought he looked very good in his limited time. Skated well and made consistently smart plays. He should be a very valuable addition to the PK too.

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It's pretty close really, but I would give the edge to this year. Keith is much better than the defencemen on either team, since Pietrangelo was not as good as he has been this season. I found that Burns was kind of a mess last year too, so I would give Bouwmeester the edge thus far.
Currently, Pieterangelo is a better d-man than Keith.

Even if you argue that one year ago Pieterangelo wasn't as good as he is now, Keith hasn't played his best hockey this tournament so far either.

The mere suggestion that Bouwmeester is better than Burns in any way possible is an absolute joke.

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05-12-2012, 11:13 AM
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Is Murray playing any good in the Worlds? If so, then he can be taken first overall ahead of Yakupov.
That's a no to both.

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So out of curiosity I plugged in Team Canada onto CapGeek, and the roster ended up being about $11 million above the cap. I've even omitted Vlasic since he's out injured and no longer playing, and I couldn't find Ryan Murray on CapGeek (who I assume will be on a fairly cheap EL salary, and therefore wouldn't affect the cap much). I'm not sure how I'd modify the roster to make this team cap-compliant, but at least we know on paper this team, if they spent enough time practicing together should be able to contend with the best in the NHL.

For the record, as a likely #2 overall pick, Murray will be in line for significant bonuses, which are included in a player's base cap number. So his cap hit would likely be above 3M$. (See Seguin for example).

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Seems that players wifes are in Helsinki. I wonder what they think about nicht_club circus?



Good looking wifes. Maybe because I have a thing for Blondes. Anyways, the night club incident was blown up by the media. Nothing happened and these guys were just having a good time. Nobody got hurt, and if the Finnish players, it would not even been reported.

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Are there reasons Rick Nash and Steve Stamkos aren't on this team?

They are two players that will expect to be on Canada's next Olympic team, but they turned down a chance to play for Canada at this year's Worlds, which is an important tournament because the seedings for the Olympics will be decided.

I haven't heard any injury concerns, they're both young guys and both their teams missed the playoffs. Both of them should be on this team.

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No idea on Nash.

Stamkos is hurt though

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Currently, Pieterangelo is a better d-man than Keith.
Considering I am comparing Keith to the Pietrangelo of last year, that is irrelevant.

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Even if you argue that one year ago Pieterangelo wasn't as good as he is now, Keith hasn't played his best hockey this tournament so far either.
Pietrangelo wasn't as good as he is now. Keith has been quite good this year actually, although at times he is required to do too much.

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The mere suggestion that Bouwmeester is better than Burns in any way possible is an absolute joke.
I will take this to mean that you either did not watch last year, or you have no memory of the tournament.

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Canada sucks balls.


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