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05-01-2012, 01:45 PM
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Raymond actually has no trade value right now, as it's very unlikely he will remain Canucks property in the future. I doubt the Canucks qualify him for a 10% raise on his already high salary.

You will be able to pick up Raymond for free in a couple of months.

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Has Mason Raymond, Keith Ballard and a 2nd become the new Ryder, Halak and a 2nd?

ballard's contract is ten times worse then anyone else, raymond is a third liner

Halak is a number 1 goalie, Ryder is a 35 goal scorer

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ballard's contract is ten times worse then anyone else, raymond is a third liner

Halak is a number 1 goalie, Ryder is a 35 goal scorer

so no
As previously mentioned, that 2nd round pick became Subban.

Or was it Kristo ?

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05-01-2012, 02:36 PM
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Ryder, Halak, and a 2nd is an awesome package. Neither player has slowed down and good scouting can get you a great player in the second round.

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Talking about the original package, obviously Michael Ryder has continued to be a useful player but he did walk for nothing not very long after he was a part of the hundreds of infamous proposals.

He's a good player but that didn't make his value at the time worth all that much. Halak obviously ended up returning a couple of good players which is nice.

But the joke about those assets is that it was the Canadiens fans answer to what it will take to get this elite center, that power forward, this other big minute defenseman..

I am pretty sure no Canucks fan thinks that these players have the actual value to return any kind of quality player who doesn't have a major flaw like upcoming UFA status, a bloated long-term contract, etc.

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05-01-2012, 03:42 PM
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a more interesting question is who is the next Ballard + Raymong + 2nd ?
Paul Martin, Tyler Kennedy and a 3rd.

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Glad to see all of your have great foresight.

4 years ago when Ryder, Halak and a 2nd was all the rage Ryder was a pending UFA, Halak was in the middle of a 34 game, 2.86 season and Montreal was the 8th seed in the east so the pick was around 16th.

Either way, the thread was looking at the irony of virtually every player that was rumored to be available was met with a Ryder, Halak and a 2nd offer from a group of Montreal fans. Now this season it seems every player to come available is met with a Raymond, Ballard and a 2nd response. Nobody was comparing values, the only comparison is the irony.

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Paul Martin, Tyler Kennedy and a 3rd.
totally see this coming to be.

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You mean Ryder the 30 goal scorer???

You mean halak the goalie with a GAA under 20 and a SV% above 920???

You mean the 2nd round pick that turned into PK subban???
Yup I think this is what gets HFboards in trouble sometimes. For some reason if good (not great but good) players get offered in proposals too often they are devalued to crap.

EDIT: also funny to see every talking about how AWESOME that Ryder + Halak + 2nd package was... y'all didn't think so back in the day..

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