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05-01-2012, 10:44 AM
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I think you guys should draft Yakupov then decide whether to trade him or Hall to maybe Vancouver and get Schneider. Then you guys keep the Omarks and MPS's on your team to fill out the other lines.

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Omark has burned his bridges in the last few weeks. He's made to made little snide comments about Oilers management, so I would say there is a 0 % chance he's kept around, with good reason. Edmonton should be the last team a player feels entitled to a roster spot.

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05-01-2012, 10:49 AM
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Bernier is an RFA next year. I see us signing him to continue as our backup.

In any case, 0% chance he is moved until Quick is signed to a long term deeal

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05-01-2012, 10:53 AM
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You should have posted this on same thread.

and personally I think what Colorado offered for Bernier is much better than this, so Edmonton will have to add.

Not sure how high Kings fans are on Gagner though.
but the aves are out of the bidding now since they got that guy from the caps

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05-01-2012, 11:10 AM
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LA Kings - Edmonton (WE ARE NOT TRADING AGAIN!)
Please, do not propose trades Kings do not need
Maybe Taylor Hall for one of Carter/Richards/Kopitar? + if it's not Kopitar.


Edmonton is gonna be stacked on wings, especially if they draft Yakupov. RNH and Eberle are better and more important to the oilers than Hall is IMO. Which makes him expendable for the right package.


To Edmonton Oilers: Carter/Richards/ + or just Kopitar.

To Los Angeles Kings: Taylor Hall.


Fair trade? You are stacked on C but you need goalscoring wingers, hence Hall.

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05-01-2012, 11:11 AM
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What does la want for bernier? Tb offers detroits 1st, which i beleive is 18th overall
There is no reason for Kings to trade Bernier without overpayment to any team.
There is no reason for Kings to trade Bernier to Oilers for players they are willing to trade.

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Maybe Taylor Hall for one of Carter/Richards/Kopitar? + if it's not Kopitar.


Edmonton is gonna be stacked on wings, especially if they draft Yakupov. RNH and Eberle are better and more important to the oilers than Hall is IMO. Which makes him expendable for the right package.


To Edmonton Oilers: Carter/Richards/ + or just Kopitar.

To Los Angeles Kings: Taylor Hall.


Fair trade? You are stacked on C but you need goalscoring wingers, hence Hall.
LA will not do this, but value is fair.

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I am not sure what Kings fans are expecting in terms of a return on Bernier, but their expectations may not be realistic. The Varlamov trade may be a comparable, although Varlamov was a more proven commodity at the time of his trade and at a similar age. Colorado was also very aggressive and I am not sure other GMs would have the same cajones to pull a similar deal form Bernier. In any event, the return would be picks and/or prospects and not proven NHL talent.
In my opinion it is going to be quite a few very aggressive teams trying to improve their goaltending situation and Bernier is very attractive solution.
Kings do not have any incentives to trade him just for sake of trade and he will not be traded without substantial overpayment.

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Los Angeles Kings receive
C Sam Gagner

Edmonton Oilers receive
G Jonathan Bernier

Why the Kings do this:
Kings don't need Bernier because they got an elite goalie in Quick and they need offense and they'll get that with Gagner

Why the Oilers do this:
In my other proposal, Oilers traded away Dunyk. So the Oilers replace em with imo a better goalie in Bernier. Now Oilers hopefully have that legit goalie. Oilers don't need Gagner since they acquired Ryan Johansen in my other proposal
this is hilarious.

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no reason for the Kings to do this. They seem pretty set in their top 6 right now, and Gagner on a 3rd line....maybe, but not at that price


And....I thought Dubnyk was "comparable" to Carey Price in all the other Oiler threads? So why trade for another Goalie? Dubnyk is the franchise goaltender....isn't he?

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In my opinion it is going to be quite a few very aggressive teams trying to improve their goaltending situation and Bernier is very attractive solution.
Kings do not have any incentives to trade him just for sake of trade and he will not be traded without substantial overpayment.
IMO most teams are happy with what they have in net. CHI, CBJ, TB and NJ might be the only ones looking for a starter with guys like Vokoun, Luongo, Harding, Thomas and even Kipper potentially being available.

I do agree that Gagner does nothing for LA and EDM has bigger holes to fill then goaltending.

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What does la want for bernier? Tb offers detroits 1st, which i beleive is 18th overall
the Kings need nothing else than scoring winger
or prospects to be projected a scoring winger

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What does la want for bernier? Tb offers detroits 1st, which i beleive is 18th overall
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LA would likely ask for Brett Connolly as he has 30+ goal potential

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this is hilarious.
Agreed. These trades aren't real, bro.

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What does la want for bernier? Tb offers detroits 1st, which i beleive is 18th overall
Connolly.

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05-01-2012, 01:11 PM
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L.A has no use for Gagner and it's always good to have a capable backup.

And why would Edmonton give up quality assets for a goalie that's proven nothing more than Dubnyk anyways.

It's a no win for both teams.

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think LA could get more for Bernier elsewhere.. and Center isn't an issue for them.

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but the aves are out of the bidding now since they got that guy from the caps
AVs offered same package they offered to Varlomov for Bernier and Schneider prior to their trade with Caps but they all declined.
Why would LA settle for less now? Because I'd rather take first and second rounder than Sam Gagner anyday

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Los Angeles Kings receive
C Sam Gagner

Edmonton Oilers receive
G Jonathan Bernier

Why the Kings do this:
Kings don't need Bernier because they got an elite goalie in Quick and they need offense and they'll get that with Gagner

Why the Oilers do this:
In my other proposal, Oilers traded away Dunyk. So the Oilers replace em with imo a better goalie in Bernier. Now Oilers hopefully have that legit goalie. Oilers don't need Gagner since they acquired Ryan Johansen in my other proposal
Kings could do a lot better than that for Bernier

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05-01-2012, 08:42 PM
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Connolly.
Tampa doesn't do that.

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Tampa doesn't do that.
Tampa will not get Bernier.

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If L.A gets close to the cup I can see Dean offering him in a package to get Iginla. Allows Flames to rebuild and deal Kipper for picks and youth.

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Tampa will not get Bernier.
Bernier is no Halak, and look at what he returned. You're not getting a lottery selection for an undersized goalie who put up a .909 sv% (.910 career) on an elite defensive team. He has alot of athleticism and age is on his side, but IMO he looks to be a guy comparable to Irbe. His partner put up a sv% .929, for a guy being touted as worth a lottery selection that seems to be a huge disparity. Even if we argue/assume he has the potential to be top 10 one day (and that's far from a foregone conclusion) the fact remains he's yet to perform at starter caliber in the NHL. It's not like he hasn't had an opportunity, most goalies would kill to play behind that defense. Tampa is not likely going to trade Connolly for the outside chance of getting a top 10 starter.

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Bernier is no Halak, and look at what he returned. You're not getting a lottery selection for an undersized goalie who put up a .909 sv% (.910 career) on an elite defensive team. He has alot of athleticism and age is on his side, but IMO he looks to be a guy comparable to Irbe. His partner put up a sv% .929, for a guy being touted as worth a lottery selection that seems to be a huge disparity. Even if we argue/assume he has the potential to be top 10 one day (and that's far from a foregone conclusion) the fact remains he's yet to perform at starter caliber in the NHL. It's not like he hasn't had an opportunity, most goalies would kill to play behind that defense. Tampa is not likely going to trade Connolly for the outside chance of getting a top 10 starter.
We agree now, no Bernier for Tampa

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Bernier is no Halak, and look at what he returned. You're not getting a lottery selection for an undersized goalie who put up a .909 sv% (.910 career) on an elite defensive team. He has alot of athleticism and age is on his side, but IMO he looks to be a guy comparable to Irbe. His partner put up a sv% .929, for a guy being touted as worth a lottery selection that seems to be a huge disparity. Even if we argue/assume he has the potential to be top 10 one day (and that's far from a foregone conclusion) the fact remains he's yet to perform at starter caliber in the NHL. It's not like he hasn't had an opportunity, most goalies would kill to play behind that defense. Tampa is not likely going to trade Connolly for the outside chance of getting a top 10 starter.
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is their anyone who has seen these two play at an nhl level that can give an idea at who is more likely to have a career at this point? being rational is difficult when your bias

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I'm not really that sold on Bernier. He did have one great season in the AHL but otherwise his numbers are pretty ho-hum. .908 save percentage this year on a pretty defensive LA squad isn't great, Dubnyk had considerably better numbers for the Oilers this year playing behind a worse defence.

He's also pretty small for a modern goalie -- 5'11 ... I dunno.

I'm not really sure the Oilers can just throw away Gagner like candy either, after RNH their center depth would then drop to ... Shawn Horcoff (yikes).

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