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Planning to build a new computer? Read Here first! #4

Planning to build a new computer? Don't know where to start? Read Here first!

Ask questions in this thread about upgrades and new system builds. Read through the OP and compare it to your own situation.

Things to remember: These builds do not include any OS, Keyboard, Mice, Speakers or Monitors. That is up to the builder to choose.

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Desktop PC Builds
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Entry Level: General purpose PC, good desktop productivity. Limited gaming potential with GPU upgrade.
Price Range: $375 - $400 AMD processor
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Hardware
Name
Price CA
Price US
Processor:AMD FX-4100 quad core $114 CA $109 US
Motherboard:ASUS M5A88-M AM3+ $99 CA $99 US
RAM:Mushkin EE 2x2GB $24 CA $24 US
Video Card:ONBOARD ONBOARDONBOARD
Power Supply:CoolerMaster Elite 460W $34 CA $34 US
Case:MSI Tactical TC-128 Mid 39 CA $39 US
HDD:Western Digital AV-GP 320GB $69 CA $69 US
Optical Drive:ASUS SATA DVD RW $18 CA $18 US
Total: Prices as of 8-20-12$406 CA$402 US


Entry Level: General purpose PC, good desktop productivity. Gaming potential with GPU upgrade.
Price Range: $500 - $600 AMD processor
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Hardware
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Price CA
Price US
Processor:AMD FX-8210 3.1GHZ $189 CA $159 US
Motherboard:AsRock 970 Extreme3 AM3+ $139 CA $79 US
RAM:Corsair Value 8GB 2x4GB 1333mhz $39 CA $39 US
Video Card:PowerColor HD5450 512mb $29 CA$29 US
Power Supply:CoolerMaster Elite 460W $34 CA $34 US
Case:MSI Tactical TC-128 Mid 39 CA $39 US
HDD:Seagate Barracuda 1TB $99 CA $99 US
Optical Drive:ASUS SATA DVD RW $18 CA $18 US
Total: Prices as of 8-20-12$596 CA$512 US


Mainstream: General purpose PC, good desktop productivity and most gaming
Price Range: $750 - $800 Intel processor
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Hardware
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Price CA
Price US
Processor:Intel Core i5 3450 Ivy Bridge $199 CA $199 US
Motherboard:AsRock H77 Pro4 $119 CA $89 US
RAM:Corsair Vengeance 8GB 2x4GB 1600mhz $47 CA $49 US
Video Card:Saphire HD6870 1GB $179 CA$169 US
Power Supply:Corsair CX600 v2 $79 CA $69 US
Case:MSI Interceptor IN-535 Mid $69 CA $69 US
HDD:Seagate Barracuda 1TB $99 CA $99 US
Optical Drive:ASUS SATA DVD RW $17 CA $17 US
Total: Prices as of 8-20-12$816 CA$769 US


Mainstream: General purpose PC, good for desktop productivity, all gaming, with overclocking potential.
Price Range: $1000 - $1100 Intel processor
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Hardware
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Price CA
Price US
Processor:Intel Core i5 3570k Ivy Bridge $229 CA $229 US
Motherboard:Gigabyte GA-Z77X $194 CA 189 US
RAM:Corsair Vengeance 8GB 2x4GB 1600mhz $47 CA $49 US
Video Card:Gigabyte HD 7850 2GB $269 CA$259 US
Power Supply:Corsair TX750 $139 CA $139 US
Case:MSI Interceptor IN-535 Mid $69 CA $69 US
HDD:Seagate Barracuda 1TB $99 CA $99 US
Optical Drive:Samsung SATA DVD RW $17 CA $17 US
Total: Prices as of 8-20-12$1061 CA$1029 US


Enthusiast: Specialized system, good for High Performance gaming and overclocking
Price Range: $1500 - $1600 Intel processor
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Hardware
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Price CA
Price US
Processor:Intel Core i5 3570k Ivy Bridge $229 CA $229 US
Motherboard:Asus P8Z77-V 209CA 179 US
RAM:Corsair Vengeance 8GB 2x4GB 1600mhz $47 CA $49 US
Video Card:EVGA GTX 680 2 GB $509 CA$500 US
Power Supply:Corsair TX750 $139 CA $139 US
Case:Antec 900 USB 3 Edition $119 CA $90US
HDD:Seagate Barracuda 1TB $99 CA $99 US
Optical Drive:Samsung SATA DVD RW $17 CA $17 US
SSD:Crucial M4 128GB $149 CA $109 US
CPU Cooler:CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ $34 CA $30 US
Total: Prices as of 8-20-12$1,559 CA$1,462 US


Enthusiast: Specialized Multimedia System, Blu-Ray playblack/burning, gaming, 4 Tuner DVR.
Price Range: $1500 - $1600 Intel processor
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Hardware
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Price CA
Price US
Processor:Intel Core i7 3770 $319 CA $319 US
Motherboard:Asus P8H77-V $149 CA 149 US
RAM:Corsair Vengeance 8GB 2x4GB 1600mhz $47 CA $49 US
Video Card:ECS GTX 560 Ti 1GB $219 CA $209 US
Power Supply:Corsair CX600 v2 $69 CA $69 US
Case:NZXT CA Full Tower $169 CA $169 US
HDD:2x Hitachi Deskstar 2 TB $259 CA $259 US
Optical Drive:LITE-ON Blu-Ray Burner $109 CA $109 US
TV Tuner:Ceton InfiniTV 4 Tuner Card PCIe $200 CA $200 US
Total: Prices as of 5-6-12$1,538 CA$1,528 US


High end: Excellent all around system, near top of the line.
Price Range: $2100 - $2200 Intel processor
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Hardware
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Price CA
Price US
Processor:Intel Core i7 3770k Ivy Bridge $349 CA $349 US
Motherboard:Asus P8z77-Pro $239 CA $224 US
RAM:Corsair Vengeance 8GB 2x4GB 1866mhz $59 CA $59 US
Video Card:2x eVGA GTX 680 2GB $1,019 CA$999 US
Power Supply:SeaSonic X Series 1050W$239 CA$219 US
Case:Antec 1100 Super Mid $119 CA $99 US
HDD:Seagate Barracuda 1TB $99 CA $99 US
Optical Drive:Asus SATA DVD Burner $17 CA $17 US
SSD:Crucial M4 128GB SATA3 $149 CA $109 US
CPU Cooler:Hyper 212+ $34 CA$30 US
Total: Prices as of 8-20-12$2,270 CA$2,163 US


Who needs money!:
Price Range: $4400 - $4500 Intel processor
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Hardware
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Price CA
Price US
Processor:Intel Core i7 EE 3960X $1,049 $1,049 US
Motherboard:Gigabyte G1 Assassin2 LGA2011 $339 CA $339 US
RAM:Corsair Dominator GT 16GB 3x4gb $235 CA $219 US
Video Card:3X Sapphire HD 7970 OC 3GB $1,499 CA$1,439 US
Power Supply:Corsair AX1200 $299 CA $299 US
Case:Antec 1200 V3 Full Tower 179 CA $159 US
HDD:2x WD VelociRaptor 600GB 10kRPM $419 CA $419 US
Optical Drive:ASUS SATA DVD RW $20 CA $20 US
Blu-Ray:Lite-ON Blu-Ray Burner w/3D 109 CA $109 US
SSD:Kingston HyperX 240GB $389 CA $349 US
Total: Prices as of 5-6-12$4,535 CA$4,407 US

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Memory:
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Processors (CPU's)

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Video Cards:
Can't decide which video card to buy?:
Compare them by year
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TechPowerup's VGA BIOS collection (for advanced tweaking)

Crossfire Compatibility chart.

SLI / Crossfire Q&A video.

Software

Backup, copy, and restore your computer:
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Put your new system to the test:
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Differences Between Windows 7 Versions

Never Installed Windows before?: Watch this video

Hard Drives
Why the hell is that Hard Drive so expensive?

New SSD? Check out this introductory guide.


Motherboards

Guide to Motherboard Selection (slightly dated but good concepts)

Power Supplies (Or PSU's):

PSU reviews: Anandtech - Jonnyguru

Think your PSU is bad?: test it here. (post in the thread if you need assistance)

Want to save money?: Don't cut corners on the PSU.
How much power does a generic unit truly provide?

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Reference: OEM's of Popular PSU brands

How much power do I need?
Power requirement estimator (very rough estimate)

Video Tutorials on PC Building
I disagree with the host in some areas but overall it's a well done series. Long Winded however. For an absolute beginner it's a good resource. If you just need help with assembly, watch the second video.

Pt.1 Basic PC introduction and Component selection.
Pt.2 Assembling your system
Pt.3 Installing your OS, other odds and ends.


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I'll try to keep this thread up to date with the latest hardware.

I use NewEgg as a reference for PC components. Please shop around and find the best prices if they can be found elsewhere. In my experience NewEgg has fair prices though.

*Prices might not be 100% accurate. Check them carefully. Some items include additional mail in rebates as well. Those savings are not reflected in my prices so your build may actually be cheaper in the end.

**When choosing your parts remember you are the boss. do no hesitate to tailor one of these blueprints to your specific needs. Want a great multimedia PC but don't really need high end gaming? Spend less on the GPU and add a Blu-Ray player and Tuner Card. Need additional Storage? Go for the 2TB drive.

***A note on sound cards. While I love dedicated sound cards, for most people they are not necessary. The days of integrated sound being worse than a 20$ sound card are long gone. Feel confident with on-board sound.

Updates:
2-6-12 - Updated pricing on all but 2 low end builds. Fixed discontinues and updated for Sandy-E chips. Added 2012 chart
3-4-12 - Updated some links.
5-6-12 - Total thread update, Ivy bridge, 7xxx and 6xx series. Prices and lists. Fixed low end builds.
8-20-12 - Updated pricing, cases for USB 3.0, SSD capacity.

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Well Civ V is actually a relatively demanding game. I actually don't disagree with your philosophy on this at all btw, it's how I generally prefer to build on my own systems. Coming at it from a generalist approach though I do see the merit in a middle end processor in your budget range. An i5 2400 despite being middle end is not that far off a 2600, besides the hyper threading. It will cost less and be obsolete at about the same rate most likely. But If you are willing to upgrade your video card down the line your idea is certainly worthwhile.

On the issue of 8 cores down the line, yeah they will start to be used at some point. But I'm not counting on it within 3 years with a few exceptions. Stuff like Diablo 3 almost certainly won't.
They are just barely now starting to use 4 cores and we have had 4 core chips for six years now. Also the game developers won't just abandon quad core users, which will be a mainstay for years to come. Intel I5 processors are extremely popular because they are one of the best bang for buck processors ever. They'll still be VERY common in 3 years.


Here are a few cases with usb 3. Didn't even think about that so good catch.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811553003
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147060

Remember if you don't want the lights you could always buy fans without them and change them.

As for what you actually put in the PC? If you do go for a higher end processor I'd stick with intel still. The 2600 as in the costco pc. That will give you some measure of 'future proofing' while giving you the better game performance at the same time. That requires a lower end video card to stay in the $800 range though

Also consider on that newegg build, you can remove the blu-ray player and go with a normal dvd burner and save $50. If you find you want blu-ray you can always add one of those later and they might be cheaper then. You can also drop the 2TB HDD and go with a 500gb and save a bit there. If you are looking for easier upgrades adding more storage also falls into that category. Doing those two things will help you get a better video card in the same dollar bracket. You could also drop 8GB of the RAM. In fact I would do all 3 of those things if you go with a 2600.

So assuming you want to stick with the 2600, here is my revised build based on the above. I also added the video card and a quality power supply so you see the full cost.
Changed to a 500gb hard drive, dropped to 8gb ram, added a 520W PSU and a GTX 460.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827118067
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136497
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130750
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817151094
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820226219
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813121506
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115071
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116986

Now the GTX 460 is a little dated now, but I have a good reason for suggesting it. Some of the current low end cards are falling into the trap of not beating the old middle end cards. Case in point the 7770. This benchmark is from Civ 5 so it's relevant to your situation. If you want this cart PM me your e-mail and I can send it. It's $933.91. Also I'd add that you can still drop the 2600, go with a 2500, save $100 and not notice it most likely. And if you do that it gets you just barely above $800.

Also I'd add that if you do get the costco system and upgrade it add $208 to that cost if you use the same GTX 460 and PSU from my build. That's a higher price than the build it yourself version in the quote above but it has the bigger HDD, blu-ray, 16gb RAM(totally unnecessary IMO). But if you think the Blu-ray/bigger hdd is worth it to you then you can add them back to the build, I was trying to keep it as low cost as possible.

So it comes down this this for me.
Build it yourself($933+shipping), higher quality parts, potential savings if you cut unnecessary features.

Costco+upgrades($1008+tax), unknown part quality, don't have to build it all, more features like blu-ray.

Either one works IMO. One other option would be to reduce video card quality to the level of say a 6770. But you will take a performance hit. Savings is about $45. But since you are willing to upgrade down the line this is viable.

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Build it right the first time. Don't skimp on the case or PSU, especially. If the difference in price is a deal breaker, you probably shouldn't be spending that amount of money on a computer (or flat out buying one) at all. The difference between the $750 and the $1000 is night-and-day. What qualifies today as a gaming computer will be tomorrows dumb workstation, so you can always cannibalize and recycle what you buy. A solid full size case is $100-150 and will potentially last until form factors or standards change radically. The same goes for a quality PSU.

I hate to see people aim low initially and then be rapidly outdated, chasing a higher level with expensive upgrades. Costs more in the end. Going low on things like a PSU shouldn't be acceptable or recommended. If you want a dumb HTPC then by all means, but if you expect to use it for any length of time or gaming get 750 watts minimum.

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I hate to see people aim low initially and then be rapidly outdated, chasing a higher level with expensive upgrades. Costs more in the end. Going low on things like a PSU shouldn't be acceptable or recommended. If you want a dumb HTPC then by all means, but if you expect to use it for any length of time or gaming get 750 watts minimum.
I agree on getting a quality PSU, but wattage is not the end all be all.

The seasonic S12 II is a very high quality PSU in the lower end of the wattage range. 520W is more than enough for a GTX 460+ a 2600. It can take even more video card than that if you have it. It just won't SLI.

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I agree on getting a quality PSU, but wattage is not the end all be all.
I agree, but the extra capacity and quality doesn't cost that much when you look at it. It's the component that's going to be stabilizing and powering the system for years to come. Don't skimp on it. Having the extra capacity of a big PSU, even if you aren't using it at the moment, is nice. I'd hate for someone to get addicted to enthusiast level machines and then realize their 520 isn't going to cut it for SLI.

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Build it right the first time. Don't skimp on the case or PSU, especially. If the difference in price is a deal breaker, you probably shouldn't be spending that amount of money on a computer (or flat out buying one) at all. The difference between the $750 and the $1000 is night-and-day. What qualifies today as a gaming computer will be tomorrows dumb workstation, so you can always cannibalize and recycle what you buy. A solid full size case is $100-150 and will potentially last until form factors or standards change radically. The same goes for a quality PSU.

I hate to see people aim low initially and then be rapidly outdated, chasing a higher level with expensive upgrades. Costs more in the end. Going low on things like a PSU shouldn't be acceptable or recommended. If you want a dumb HTPC then by all means, but if you expect to use it for any length of time or gaming get 750 watts minimum.
I was agreeing with you until the last thing you said. It's the quality of the PSU that is most important, not its wattage rating. And 750W is overkill for anything unless you're going SLI/Crossfire. A good high-quality ~500W Corsair or Seasonic PSU will power pretty much any single card rig.

That's why I wouldn't recommend the TX750 for the $1000 build. Replace with a cheaper ~$100 Corsair/Seasonic and upgrade to a better case or GPU.

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It's the quality of the PSU that is most important, not its wattage rating.
I thought that was just assumed by everyone. Just like any other component you're going to have to do your research. Even reputable companies put out a stinker every now and then (560 ti).

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That's why I wouldn't recommend the TX750 for the $1000 build. Replace with a cheaper ~$100 Corsair/Seasonic and upgrade to a better case or GPU.
I'm the sort of person that would go for the extra $100 spent on the nicer case regardless. People are free to spend their money however they like, but if you are going spend extra $ on anything, spend it on the PSU and case.

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Build it right the first time. Don't skimp on the case or PSU, especially. If the difference in price is a deal breaker, you probably shouldn't be spending that amount of money on a computer (or flat out buying one) at all. The difference between the $750 and the $1000 is night-and-day. What qualifies today as a gaming computer will be tomorrows dumb workstation, so you can always cannibalize and recycle what you buy. A solid full size case is $100-150 and will potentially last until form factors or standards change radically. The same goes for a quality PSU.

I hate to see people aim low initially and then be rapidly outdated, chasing a higher level with expensive upgrades. Costs more in the end. Going low on things like a PSU shouldn't be acceptable or recommended. If you want a dumb HTPC then by all means, but if you expect to use it for any length of time or gaming get 750 watts minimum.
I don't agree on the case having to cost 100+. everything will be atx and thus compatible. My case cost me 50 bucks and it's been great.

PSU unless you crossfire/sli noway do you need 750 minimum. getting a quality PSU like corsair that's 500-600W will be just fine.

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That's why I wouldn't recommend the TX750 for the $1000 build. Replace with a cheaper ~$100 Corsair/Seasonic and upgrade to a better case or GPU.
I'm on the fence on that one. The main reason is I see that once someone starts going for the $1000 range they are a little more serious about gaming, and that person is more likely to do SLI, jam in other peripherals, overclock, and what not. But when they come to the thread and talk specifically about what they are doing I almost always recommend lower if it fits. That's the same reason I include a higher end motherboard in that build.

I have considered adding an additional $850-950 build around what you are talking about though. Once Ivy comes out I'm going to re-do the whole thing so I'll revisit it then. The reason I hold on on doing that now is though, you can take the current $750 build and change a couple things. There is always some room + or - on each build for customization.

I like estimating high on power as a general rule but once I know what someone is doing specifically I have no problem being more specific. Like the case of Gooch's build, where I think its pretty unlikely he ever goes for SLI if he's considering that costco computer as a base.

Personally I think you guys are overrating the value of the case though. I can see where some people like higher end ones but for most it's not a huge issue.

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Also I'd add that if you do get the costco system and upgrade it add $208 to that cost if you use the same GTX 460 and PSU from my build. That's a higher price than the build it yourself version in the quote above but it has the bigger HDD, blu-ray, 16gb RAM(totally unnecessary IMO). But if you think the Blu-ray/bigger hdd is worth it to you then you can add them back to the build, I was trying to keep it as low cost as possible.

So it comes down this this for me.
Build it yourself($933+shipping), higher quality parts, potential savings if you cut unnecessary features.

Costco+upgrades($1008+tax), unknown part quality, don't have to build it all, more features like blu-ray.

Either one works IMO. One other option would be to reduce video card quality to the level of say a 6770. But you will take a performance hit. Savings is about $45. But since you are willing to upgrade down the line this is viable.
The bigger HD is actually a must as 500 is just way too low, it's what I have now and I am constantly having to delete it and basically ration it's use. The 16gb of ram I know is overkill but that's why I love it. I have 4gb right now and thats the max I have. I love that the costco one has 16 and is expandable to 32gb, to me that just screams long term viability.

There is a lot to be said about the peace of mind that if the Costco computer fails on me I can return it and get my money back. One of the biggest fears with me and probably most people when it comes to building a computer is that there are so many variables and when one thing breaks you can be up the creek without a paddle.

Just a question about something

I saw this on slickdeals
http://slickdeals.net/f/4014302-Sapp...129-AR-shipped

7770 card for 129 shipped.

1. is it a good card
2. is it a good price
3. I don't knwo how to make sense of all the jargon associated with video cards so what "specs" should someone like me look for to see if it's a good card? It used to be about onboard storage but that seems to be meaningless now.

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1. is it a good card
2. is it a good price
3. I don't knwo how to make sense of all the jargon associated with video cards so what "specs" should someone like me look for to see if it's a good card? It used to be about onboard storage but that seems to be meaningless now.
To me, specs on video cards are pointless to look between models, they are really only applicable on the same chips(like this 7770 vs another one). If it has 1gb that's acceptable, and above that is good. Anything lower in a gamer system is not good. Then most importantly, beyond the memory look at how it performs for its price.

@the normal price I don't think 7770s are a good buy, but at $129 it is. That's a good price for that card. But you basically get what you pay for. I like the GTX 460 for slightly more though better. But the 7770 has the advantage of being new tech and with driver updates should get better.

As for the RAM, during the life of this system you are building there will never come a time where you will say "man I wish I had 32gb of ram". MAYBE 16gb but I'm skeptical of even that. By the time 32gb of RAM is common your CPU will be so out of date you won't have it anymore. So I wouldn't worry about needing 32gb of RAM at any point.

This is a good review on a 7770, not the saphire but its basically the same card.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/P...HD_7770/2.html

Ignore the prices since yours is on sale, but just take a look at the game benchmarks, and compare 1-3 of the ones close to the 7770 in price.

As for the warranty and what not, well they may not be too happy about you opening it up and adding a PSU+video card. For myself, the unknown part quality scares me more than the lack of a warranty with a self built system.

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To me, specs on video cards are pointless to look between models, they are really only applicable on the same chips(like this 7770 vs another one). If it has 1gb that's acceptable, and above that is good. Anything lower in a gamer system is not good. Then most importantly, beyond the memory look at how it performs for its price.

@the normal price I don't think 7770s are a good buy, but at $129 it is. That's a good price for that card. But you basically get what you pay for. I like the GTX 460 for slightly more though better. But the 7770 has the advantage of being new tech and with driver updates should get better.

As for the RAM, during the life of this system you are building there will never come a time where you will say "man I wish I had 32gb of ram". MAYBE 16gb but I'm skeptical of even that. By the time 32gb of RAM is common your CPU will be so out of date you won't have it anymore. So I wouldn't worry about needing 32gb of RAM at any point.

This is a good review on a 7770, not the saphire but its basically the same card.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/P...HD_7770/2.html

Ignore the prices since yours is on sale, but just take a look at the game benchmarks, and compare 1-3 of the ones close to the 7770 in price.

As for the warranty and what not, well they may not be too happy about you opening it up and adding a PSU+video card. For myself, the unknown part quality scares me more than the lack of a warranty with a self built system.
Costco has always been great about taking things back and I obviously would return the existing powersupply and take out the video card before a return would take place. What is the unknown part quality? You seem to know the processor and motherboard and other key elements. What scares me is screwing up one thing during an assemble and not knowing which thing I screwed up and having to go through all that troubleshooting.

Regarding RAM, I know you don't need that much but doesnt it help? Or is there a point where it does nothing? I've always assumed the more the merrier.

We have to wait a bit here before I can pick up a new computer so even though I am strongly leaning toward the costco system if that 200 dollar discount that they currently have goes away that will obviously change everything. If I did do my own build though I'd want to use a more newer processor than the I5. My only reason is for psychological effect, I just want to feel like I am putting something more towards the front of the pack because I know it will be many years before I will be changing that part of the system.

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What is the unknown part quality? You seem to know the processor and motherboard and other key elements. What scares me is screwing up one thing during an assemble and not knowing which thing I screwed up and having to go through all that troubleshooting.

Regarding RAM, I know you don't need that much but doesnt it help? Or is there a point where it does nothing? I've always assumed the more the merrier.

We have to wait a bit here before I can pick up a new computer so even though I am strongly leaning toward the costco system if that 200 dollar discount that they currently have goes away that will obviously change everything. If I did do my own build though I'd want to use a more newer processor than the I5. My only reason is for psychological effect, I just want to feel like I am putting something more towards the front of the pack because I know it will be many years before I will be changing that part of the system.
You don't know the quality of the case, motherboard(I was guessing on the board), RAM. Any one of those could be from a lower tier manufacturer. It's not a huge worry but I want to know whats in my systems. If you are more worried about building it then that answers the question. But in almost 10 years of building these PC's I've never broken a part due to mishandling.

If you want a newer processor than the current I5/I7 I wouldn't go with an AMD bulldozer I'd wait for Intel's Ivy Bridge which comes out in a few months.

Far as RAM amount, well having extra certainly won't hurt but it won't really do much to help either. What that number is depends on what you do with the system, but in general 4-8 is plenty in a gaming system.

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You don't know the quality of the case, motherboard(I was guessing on the board), RAM. Any one of those could be from a lower tier manufacturer. It's not a huge worry but I want to know whats in my systems. If you are more worried about building it then that answers the question. But in almost 10 years of building these PC's I've never broken a part due to mishandling.

If you want a newer processor than the current I5/I7 I wouldn't go with an AMD bulldozer I'd wait for Intel's Ivy Bridge which comes out in a few months.

Far as RAM amount, well having extra certainly won't hurt but it won't really do much to help either. What that number is depends on what you do with the system, but in general 4-8 is plenty in a gaming system.
Well that AMD chip is currently 250 and dropping, what is the new Intel chip going to cost? I remember seeing some of their newer ones released at 1000 dollars. I'm torn because on Newegg I read people reviewing the AMD chip and giving it great reviews especially when it comes to multitasking. Some people in the newegg review thread mentioned people initially saying the chip was slow due to early benchmark tests and that isnt entirely the case anymore. Is that true? I honestly tend to lean AMD for the value factor, just seems like Intel is on the top of the mountain and isnt pricing aggressively like AMD is.

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Well that AMD chip is currently 250 and dropping, what is the new Intel chip going to cost? I remember seeing some of their newer ones released at 1000 dollars.
Those are enthusiast level chips only. Never worth the money and not intended to be. The mainstream chips are very competitive.

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I honestly tend to lean AMD for the value factor, just seems like Intel is on the top of the mountain and isnt pricing aggressively like AMD is.
Because, by and large, Intel is far ahead of AMD nowadays in raw power/speed. Bulldozer hasn't been much of a success.

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Well that AMD chip is currently 250 and dropping, what is the new Intel chip going to cost? I remember seeing some of their newer ones released at 1000 dollars. I'm torn because on Newegg I read people reviewing the AMD chip and giving it great reviews especially when it comes to multitasking. Some people in the newegg review thread mentioned people initially saying the chip was slow due to early benchmark tests and that isnt entirely the case anymore. Is that true? I honestly tend to lean AMD for the value factor, just seems like Intel is on the top of the mountain and isnt pricing aggressively like AMD is.
Considering that intels $300 processor performs in games almost as well as their $1000 ones I consider those $200-300 processors like the I5/I7 some of the best ones ever released for gamers.

Yeah I'm sure they do multitask great, but it's not like the Intel processors do not.

Here is a review regarding the patches./early benchmark tests.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/FX8150/

It shows the pre-patch results and the post patch results in the same chart. Practically no change. And on gaming there is NO change.

It's not that a bulldozer won't be a good gaming chip, they are just terrible value for the money IMO. If they slashed prices further by $50 on each chip maybe. I mean their brand new processors get beat in game tesst by their old x4's and x6's, how ridiculous.

If were you compiling or encoding I could see the potential in AMD right now, but the results still aren't there. The 2600 beats them most of the time in that area too.

Supposedly from the leaked roadmap pricing is going to be about the same. The current chips will go away and the new processors will slot in their place. So they are still going to be in the $200-$320 range based on their various features.

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Doh! Just found the Geek forum here. How come I don't see this forum on the main index? I found this when my recording hockey video thread got moved here from the main NHL forum.

Thanks for all the posts. I just built a desktop for recording hockey and for Adobe CS5 to edit images. CS5 can only use certain graphics cards to take advantage of their new software so check Adobe first if building.

Asus P8Z68 V Gen 3 mobo (sata 6 capable, USB 3.0) - $180
Intel i7 2600 CPU (no overclocking, stock CPU fan) (may overclock) - $300
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Corsair 400R case - $100
Corsair TX750w power supply - $100
EVGA GeForce GTX570 graphics board - $325
Intel 160g SSD (boot drive and OS only) it screams - $400
Seagate 3tb Barracude 7200 hd for storage (maybe going to RAID a 2nd drive) - $200
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Intel i7 2600 CPU (no overclocking, stock CPU fan) (may overclock) - $300
Seagate 3tb Barracude 7200 hd for storage (maybe going to RAID a 2nd drive) - $200
With the 2600, if it's not a K model then your overclock potential is fairly limited unfortunately.

As for the RAID, If you are going for a stripe I wouldn't bother. I have one now, but It was implemented before SSD's came about so the speed gain was worth it. But now with an SSD boot drive there is no point.

If you get even more into stream recording and stuff, you might check this thing out:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815706001

I included it in the multimedia build in the OP, and it's a great product. 4 tuner capture using a cable card, NO cable box.

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With the 2600, if it's not a K model then your overclock potential is fairly limited unfortunately.

As for the RAID, If you are going for a stripe I wouldn't bother. I have one now, but It was implemented before SSD's came about so the speed gain was worth it. But now with an SSD boot drive there is no point.

If you get even more into stream recording and stuff, you might check this thing out:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815706001

I included it in the multimedia build in the OP, and it's a great product. 4 tuner capture using a cable card, NO cable box.
I'm on DTV sat so the cable card won't work for me unless I get cable.

Would RAID be good for backup? 2 HDs with the same data in case one crashes or just do weekly backups to ext HD?

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I'm on DTV sat so the cable card won't work right? Do I need to order cable to be able to use them cable cards?

Would RAID be good for backup? 2 HDs with the same data in case one crashes or just do weekly backups to ext HD?
External hd backups are safer. I'd stick with that.

You are right about Direct TV, but if I were looking to record a lot of content I'd probably switch to cable just to use that device. 4 Tuner HD recording? Sign me up. Of course that assumes you can get the same content on cable as you can satellite which may or may not be the case. The fact that it requires no box is a huge bonus, so you can create a true DVR. But you would really have to be recording a lot of content to make all those changes worthwhile.

EDIT: As a side note your case picture reminds me of all the crazy cable management people go to these days. I still mostly just jam it in there any way possible.

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EDIT: As a side note your case picture reminds me of all the crazy cable management people go to these days. I still mostly just jam it in there any way possible.
Sheer blasphemy.

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Sheer blasphemy.
I keep meaning to post my case picture some time, the cable management freaks would flip out

I find the convenience of being able to just randomly move crap as I'm working more important than the aesthetic of a nice looking case. Temperature differences are microscopic unless you are blocking your only intake fan or something.

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On another note, looks like the HD 7870/50 stack up pretty well against the GTX 570/80 (oh Kepler, where are you~).

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...50-review.html

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On another note, looks like the HD 7870/50 stack up pretty well against the GTX 570/80 (oh Kepler, where are you~).

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...50-review.html
I honestly don't understand why AMD doesn't go back to their old convention, it made much more sense. They have way too many models now IMO. nVidia models make much more sense to novices. 550, 560, 570, 580. Simple.

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I honestly don't understand why AMD doesn't go back to their old convention, it made much more sense. They have way too many models now IMO. nVidia models make much more sense to novices. 550, 560, 570, 580. Simple.
But then you get stuff from Nvidia like 560, 560 SE, 560 Ti, and 560 Ti 448 Core. Confusion abound - though, at least it's just for their mid-range product line. Thank goodness for small blessings.

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