All start off with potential overagers for the Otters next season.
-Brett Appio and Matt Paton will probably both not be otters next season
-Sadikov might not come back to Erie
-Brett Thompson is almost a lock to return to Erie
-That leaves Mike Cazzola for offense, and Brett Cook and Derek Holden for defense
Who do you think the Otters should keep?
And how many wins do you see ER getting in 2011-2012?
With Erie moving Austin, does it make it more likely they will hold onto Holden/Cook and move one of Thompson/Cazzola?
They are down to 5 returning defencemen and didn't draft one until the 5th round in draft.
Read in a article that Erie is still looking for trades that would move some overagers and that their are some UNTOUCHABLE and those are Cazzola/Thompson. Seeing that Erie can only have 3 OA I imagine they trade either Holden/Cook (hopefully Holden) for another D-man.
They will have Pelech (who had a great rookie year), Gazdic, Grant, Holden/Cook, Other Guy they receive in a trade, Nathan Glass (picked in draft 2010), and their 5th round pick Patrick Murphy is suppose to be one of the most under the radar picks in the 2011 draft so I wound not be surprised if he makes the starting roster. So IMO their D should be OK as long as the add one more piece.
And their offence should do good with Mckegg expected back, Cazzola/Thompson, young players like Marchese (selected 1st round 2010), Crisp (selected 2nd round 2010), Mac McDonnel and Luke Cairns who both showed good signs last season, and 2011 first round pick Stephan Harper. *plus physical play from Johnny McGuire.
Goalies are the ? Yes they added Teichmann and hopefully Festarani got stronger in offseason. Plus 2 goalies picked in draft this season. So I think we got a nice young crop of 93' goalies..and mabye Sadikov comes back
So we should see the best goalies we truly have this season...and the next coming seasons we have a chance to have one of the better goalies in the league with a young crop of 2 93's and 2 95's
So mabye Erie can have a decent 32-36 win season. You never know with a couple trades we make the playoffs as a 6th mabye 5th seed. Think about it last year we all thought Erie would have another typical 7th 8th seed season with a shaky goalie Sadikov..haha he dominated! So mabye we can have a good year.......I said mabye
Can someone post what their lines might look like?
Just my thoughts *Rookie **Overager ***Import 1st Line
Greg McKegg LW
Sondre Olden*** C
Mike Cazzola** RW
Chris Marchese LW
Brett Thompson** C
Connor Crisp RW
Stephan Harper* LW
Luke Cairns C
Mac McDonnel RW
Mitchell Eisenberg LW
Jake Evans* C
Johnny McGuire RW
Mark Gazdic Note Erie will have to trade either Cook/Derek Holden, as Bassin as said that Thompson/Cazzola are locks to return. So I imagine that Erie will receive other d-man who can play on the 2nd or 3rd pairing rather than Gazdic
2-Christopher Festarini Note If Sadikov returns Erie will likely trade and try for a d-man or 3rd line forward or mabye they have to settle for draft picks
It is so annoying,frustrating,upsetting,disappointing, and disgusting to be an Erie fan.
Year after year this team disappoints and plays like sh**
I dont know what the problem is...
I honestly think we need someone else running the show. The players are not playing with passion, grit or heart. It it is getting old!
Yes we were solid last year......but guess what.....another 1st round exit..
Year after year our rookies never step up in year 1, but the rookies in London, Windsor, Kitchener, etc. do..and that doesnt help our cause.
Last night we had 4911 at the game...for a team that was 0-3 and was outscored 21-6.......thats loyal fans if you ask me...
But I saw a crappy team that missed passes and wide open nets all game and played like crap on defense....oh and lets not forget our goalies suck.
I will not go to another game until this team is 500. or better or at least plays with grit..and I suggest all other Erie fans do the same...mabye the team and organization will get the message..CHANGE IS NEEDED
It is frustrating to be a otters fan and I will not deal with it anymore.
No games for me until this team makes changes or starts winning
Something I wrote on the NOOF in response to a fellow disgruntled Otter's fan;
Good teams seem to run their team from the same manual - so do the bad. I am sympathetic to your situation in Erie. I fully agree that Erie has supported this team well and it has made the OHL a stronger league with their presence.
I grew up watching Windsor Spitfire Hockey – they were an underachieving team for many years. There were tons of excuses, but compared to other teams they were not as successful. Peter Karmanos bought the team and in relatively short order the Spits were a successful team – going to the Memorial Cup. Peter sold the team when Windsor wouldn’t build a new rink and started a team that is now the Plymouth Whalers – arguably the most successful franchise in the OHL over the past 15 years. Windsor went back to their ways until new owners bought it and we know the success they have had.
London, while more successful than Windsor, had not won or even gone to the Memorial Cup – new owners and the results came. In fact you could argue by many measurements that during the Hunter ownership, London has been the most successful franchise.
Transplanted to Sarnia, I became a fan, then a suffering fan, then an agonizing fan. Support in Sarnia was very good and many good people supported the team over the battle cry of ‘next year’ until people started to vocally call for the owner to sell the team. The ownership went so far as to say we ‘could lose the franchise’ – something that I personally called them out on boards like this. My position was this, “Where were they going to move to?” The OHL was not about to let a team leave a well supported market – and they do have the authority to prevent it. Additionally, the OHL desperately tried to find a home for the Ice Dogs if you remember – all sorts of stories, but there was not a slam dunk place to move a team or it would have been done.
Why do I bring this up – because it isn’t going to change until fans stop supporting the team and demand a change. Last year it was reported that Erie’s average attendance was 3237, down 9.9% from the year before. Definitely heading in the wrong direction but still very respectable.
I highlighted the part of your post where you don’t hear from Bassin unless they are winning – same thing was true here in Sarnia. Another similarity are the ‘rumours’ of the team being cheap – very similar stories here. I was attacked for the comments, but knowing several players that had played for other teams confirmed the so called rumours. It still remains to be seen if Sarnia has turned the corner – there had been grumbling for years but it is amazing how much changed in a short amount of time when people started getting publicly vocal, and maybe even more so, the teams most ardent supporters went silent.
Good luck in your quest for decent hockey.
Thank you FanofdO for your very insightful post. The issue in Erie is that we have a GM who also has majority ownership in the team, he answers to no one but himself....just a really bad situation. He also surrounds himself with people that don't challenge him because they know they are gone if they do. Word is that his previous attempts to sell the team have failed because he wants a contract where he can still run the team for another 4 years...can you imagine? So you are right, the only thing we as fans can do is stop buying tickets and hope that gets someone's attention.
Again, right out of the crappy owner's hand book is the chapter on how staff your management team. Show me a team with a bunch of yes men and I will show you a losing team. In fact, as I have pointed out in the past, part of the problem is that you can not win in this league without a sound, hard working management team, working as a team. I know it sounds like a cliche but it is true.
The biggest issue in Erie is that Bassin has a strategy that is a proven winner - as long as you are living 15 years ago. The issue is that competitiveness of teams has improved. As mentioned – Plymouth started the ball rolling – Pete DeBoer took the blue print to Kitchener, the Hunters raised the bar with a family 1-2 punch and the latest duo of Warren Rychel and Bob Boughner has further raised the bar. This is a study in itself on the league, but suffice it say the bar will continue to go higher – teams will need to be very professionally run to be competitive.
I have no reason to doubt the story about Bassin wanting to go with the team – he can continue that but here is where that is headed; there is an inherent value to a franchise. In other words, should a franchise basically lose most of its fan base and has basically bottomed out in revenue, the franchise will still be worth something over $1 million dollars - but much less than it could be. Erie has a decent attendance, but as pointed out, it is dropping, as no doubt other revenues are. There comes a point where operating revenues do not cover expenses - in my opinion, this is somewhere between 2000 and 2300. At some point, should the trend continue, owners are going to see the value of the investment bottom out and they will need to fork money out to cover expenses. Somewhere before it gets here, the owners end up selling... or change.
This was the situation in Sarnia last year – despite what the owners said, they were looking into selling the team – the problem was that they wanted more for the team than anyone was willing to pay. At the same time, after many years of the truth poking them on the forehead, their balance sheet slapped them across the face. Operating revenues were plunging and despite having the first pick overall, it wasn’t enough to rebuild. The game had significantly changed – they needed to change or the franchise value would continue to drop.
An owner surrounding himself with yes men and conning the fans into believing about next year works only as long as the fans let it. Once the fans figure it out, the balance sheet speaks so the owner understands.
i honestly thought after the game friday and the 7-5 win that Erie could turn it around and start playing 500. hockey at least
I WAS WRONG .... First period was solid and they look confident...2nd ..... WOW just frustrating
3rd was not any better
I cant believe this team
I mean correct me if I'm wrong but we have McKegg, Cazzola, Thompson, Olden, Cairns, Marchese
I mean come on folks that is some talent, ok yes we have rookies all over the roster...BUT THERE IS STILL NO EXCUSE
This is the ohl, you should be talented enough to win some games and win 27-33 games...i mean London, Kitchener, Windsor, and others would
Then there is Fester......I give up on this kid...he sucks...in his 3rd year and still looks shaky...Sorry Bassin he is a bust
I cannot stress enough how crappy and weak this team is and it is annoying to watch every game with so little passion from the team.
Is it coaching?
Is it rookies?
Is it Bassin?
Is it scouting players?
What is wrong with this team??
My head cant find the answer
Erie is a very bad organization that has been inconsistent through the last 9 years
Since 01-02 when Erie won the OHL they have been....
Before that from 97/98 to 01-02 the Otters in 5 seasons were.....
183-119- 27(ties)- 9(otl)
This shows to me that Bassin no longer has the ability to lead an organization as the GM
He has hired crappy scouts along the way and this organization has given me headaches 24/7
Even if this team turned it around (which I highly doubt they will) and made it to the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed I wouldnt even go to the playoffs for free...I WILL NEVER go to another Otter game until I see consistent and action filled hockey, with players who leave every thing on the ice.
Either that or this team gets a new GM, trades Fester/McKegg or hires a new coach
ERIE you are the perfect example of a pathetic organization that needs a new home or new owner/GM.... NO EFFORT