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05-01-2012, 07:33 PM
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Plan A: Parise
Plan A2: Doan
Plan B: Whitney
Plan B2: Parenteau
Plan C: Huselius
Plan D: Jones

That's how I would rank the potential options for a top six winger for the Kings to pursue.

As for the 3rd line C position, if they can retain Stoll at a discounted rate, it is worth considering. If not, Chris Kelly and Paul Gaustad would be the best 3rd line C options available in the free agent market, followed by Daymond Langkow and Dominic Moore.

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Stoll will be back at 2-3 years around 2.75-3mil a year. Kings try for Parise. If they don't get him, they deal Bernier/Loktionov for a good top LWer. Gagne bought out unless we miss out on Parise, and don't let anyone else by trade.

Parise/trade-Kopitar-Williams
Brown-Richards-Carter
King/Holloway-Stoll-Lewis/Nolan
Clifford-Fraser-Nolan/Lewis
Westgarth/Richardson

Defense stays the same.
I'm good with that but I would keep Brown with Kopi/Williams and play Parise with Richards/Carter.

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Quick's deal is good until 2013 and he can't sign a new deal until July 1st, 2012, his raise won't affect next season's cap. This is after the draft. No way does Dean move Bernier before Quick is re-signed.
Good to know, I would still shop Bernier for the right deal..

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05-01-2012, 10:16 PM
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LOL. Come on, man. You think that Penner and Stoll are going to get 3M? No way. We will certainly have guessing threads after season is over.
Calm down! . So do you mean that's too high or too low?

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I think Stool is more likely to take a discount to stay than Pancakes.

As for FA's, Zach Parise please

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05-01-2012, 11:24 PM
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Calm down! . So do you mean that's too high or too low?
Too low of course. Currently their combined cap hit is 7.85M. Even if they both took a discount, it surely can't go below 5M. Personally I believe that Penner is getting a 3.5M contract and Stoll at least 2.5M.

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Are we really talking about this? How about Kings fans actually living in the moment for once

I refuse to talk FA's/offseason moves/Draft till after the season is over.

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I am not very good at talking about money and contracts like you guys
leave it to us pros

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05-02-2012, 12:20 AM
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if the kings cant get parise at a cheap cap 6-6.5
they should get stop gap and get the real big fish the next year, perry.

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05-02-2012, 12:23 AM
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Can't believe people still think Dean would bring back Holloway. Or vice versa, that Holloway would come back here.

That ship has sailed *****es. Mark my words.

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Can't believe people still think Dean would bring back Holloway. Or vice versa, that Holloway would come back here.

That ship has sailed *****es. Mark my words.
plus he's not that good...

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We've lost out on Kovalchuk, Richards, and I'm gonna say we are guaranteed to lose out on
Parise.

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05-02-2012, 01:37 AM
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I'd love for DL to trade for Clutterbuck. It would probably take some overpayment (Martinez+Loktionov?) but his game would come in real handy here. The Kings are obviously getting under their playoff opponents' skin by playing physical but NOT getting involved in too many scrums and/or fights. Cal hits more than Brown and barely fights...it would drive other teams crazy having those two out there. I think Parise and Semin will price themselves out for the Kings...sign Quick and trade Bernier for Brett Connolly. Re-sign Penner to a short term contract and let it rip

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Connolly-Richards-Carter
Penner-Lewis-Clutterbuck
Clifford-Clune/Fraser-Nolan

Scuderi-Doughty
Mitchell-Voynov
Hickey-Greene

I believe Clune played center a bit in Manchester this year? If so, then that fourth line could be fun as hell to watch. Lewis has been better on the wing this year so his stint at center would be on more of a trial basis...I think he can pull through and become a competent 3C

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Gaustad for Stoll

Doan for 3rd line

Parise

But gotta wonder about Toffoli and Holloway. Maybe no Doan

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Gaustad for Stoll

Doan for 3rd line

Parise

But gotta wonder about Toffoli and Holloway. Maybe no Doan
Gaustad is going to cost more than Stoll would. Doan is not going to come play in LA for third line Minutes.

Parise has no desire to play for a West Coast team. Pretty much already said he wants to play for the Redwings.

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Brown-Kopitar-Williams
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King-Gaustad-Holloway/Toffoli
Clifford-Richardson-Nolan

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It should really too soon to start worrying about UFA signings. But, this is the Hockey’s Future messageboard :-) … so here goes …

Overall, I think the Kings are ”young enough” already. No need to send older guys packing, just to make room for prospects. The kids will have to earn their way in (Voynov style) if they want a spot with the Kings.

I see few glaring weaknesses on the current roster … a complementary top-6 forward, a good 3rd line center and maybe a backup goalie. Depending on the Bernier situation.

- Goaltending and defence should be relatively set for next season. There seems to be an excellent balance between offense and defense, grit and mobility, lefties and righties, youth and experience, big minute guys and affordable capable bottom pairing guys. There might be a spot open for a backup goalie … and Slava Voynov also faces a challenge to take the next step to solidify himself as a Top-4 D-Man.

- A complementary Top-6 forward. With questionmarks over Gagne’s health we could use a more reliable player for the top-6. I dont think we should look for a flashy forward. But a guy who can help digging in the corner and set up players for Richards and Carter would be good. Parenteau, Brunette, Whitney type players. Not sure which of those will be available … Parenteau will probably sign with the Islanders I suspect. If Whitney has gas left in the tank I could see him serving a purpose on the team. Lord knows, we could use a guy who could be a powerplay specialist.

- A sturdy and reliable 2 way center we can build a good 3rd line around. Preferably with some size, Face Off and PK ability. The centers are the backbone of the offensive lines, they set the tempo and diretion. I am not convinced Andrei Loktionov can step up and fill that role. I think he has boatloads of talent, but I am not sure he is a good fit. One of the main forces of the Kings this playoffs season has been size and physicality. A lot of that has come from our depth lines. If the 3rd line C is a small’ish russian … it might take away some of the momentum. For this role I could see guys like Kelly, Gaustad (though I am not sure about him), maybe Pahlsson. I wonder if Arnott could be tempted by that role.

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05-02-2012, 10:36 AM
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Jones is an intriguing option, he's good defensively and on the PK, and he's a decent scorer, good size too.

Hudler is SLOW, and soft...no thanks.

I'd re-evaluate Penner at the end of the season. So far in the playoff he's been pretty good, but I want to see him play well for more than 6 consecutive games.

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05-02-2012, 11:28 AM
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I am almost certain that Dean will NOT give Semin a call (or his agent). Semin is everything that Lombardi dislikes about a player and there is no way he is interested spending big money on players like him.
I tend to agree, but if it's really cheap and if DL really wants a goalscorer, and it's a one year deal only, then maybe. But I'd say it's about a 2% chance DL ever swallows his pride enough to sign a guy like Semin.

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I would like to go after Parise (obviously)
Once we lose out on him I would go after Doan, Moen, Parenteau
On the back end (I would like to get a bonifide blue liner) again once we miss out on Suter.
Stuart, Carle, Hannan.
I forgot about Moen. He'd be a nice add if we can't get Gaustad.

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Huselius would be a good cheap-ish target if he was healthy.
Agree on Huselius. Sutter had him before and he had his best seasons under DS.

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I don't see LA signing Parise. Dean will save cap space to re-sign Quick in 2013. LA should either re-sign Penner or go after the best big, scoring forward on the market, or possibly trade for that player...maybe someone like Landeskog, Oshie, or Nash. Small players will not find success in the current LA system as teams will now be targeting LA for big hits.
Landeskog? Huh? If we ever traded for him, I'd wake up and relaize it was just a wet dream. Why would the Avs deal him, nevermind trying to figure out what they'd demand for him.

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Plan A: Parise Yes
Plan A2: Doan No
Plan B: Whitney No
Plan B2: Parenteau No
Plan C: Huselius On a one-year deal for a low salary, yes
Plan D: Jones Yes

That's how I would rank the potential options for a top six winger for the Kings to pursue.

As for the 3rd line C position, if they can retain Stoll at a discounted rate, it is worth considering. If not, Chris Kelly and Paul Gaustad would be the best 3rd line C options available in the free agent market, followed by Daymond Langkow and Dominic Moore.
Not a fan of several of those guys, simply because of the term they would want. Whitney especially. I know he's been getting better with age but he is now 40 and will want a multi-year deal. Doan, his numbers have been dropping the last two years and likely won't want to leave Phoenix unless the offer is well above what Phoenix is offering, especially if they continue playing like this. Parenteau I fear is just a by-product of Tavares/playing big minutes on a bad team. He'll want big money over a long-term, hate to get locked into that and have him flop in LA.

Btw, agree on Kelly. Kid is a great two-way player. He's like Lewis, just better by a lot at pretty much everything.

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if the kings cant get parise at a cheap cap 6-6.5
they should get stop gap and get the real big fish the next year, perry.
I think I'd stop cheering for LA for a while if we got Perry. I can't stand that puke. I hope him and Brian Burke get teamed up again. Perry is IMO a gigantic ********* and would be like having a milder, more offensively talented Sean Avery on the team.

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Plan A: Parise
Plan A2: Doan
Plan B: Whitney
Plan B2: Parenteau
Plan C: Huselius
Plan D: Jones

That's how I would rank the potential options for a top six winger for the Kings to pursue.

As for the 3rd line C position, if they can retain Stoll at a discounted rate, it is worth considering. If not, Chris Kelly and Paul Gaustad would be the best 3rd line C options available in the free agent market, followed by Daymond Langkow and Dominic Moore.
I agree with Parenteau and up. However I do not want Huselius at all. If we get him it will be the first time ever that I actually cheer if a Kings player gets injured. He is such a waste of skin.
Like Lankow. It's been an impressive turn aroudn for him. Thought he was going to be forced to an early retirement last year. I imaigne he wll have a better year next year than this.

As for those who say buy out Gagne.
1) you are unable to by out a player who is injured (remember the kings almost got in crap with Cloutier)
2) he only has one year left and if he is injure LA is able to go over the cap by his salry, if he is healthy why wouldn't we want him?
3) if he is healthy and we buy him out his cap hit will be over the next few year not just next year. So it could hurt us in the long run.

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I do not want Huselius at all. If we get him it will be the first time ever that I actually cheer if a Kings player gets injured. He is such a waste of skin.
Why do you say this?

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Our powerplay is ridiculous and therefore we should target a playmaker like PA Parenteau! David Jones would also be a great fit!

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Plan A: Parise
Plan A2: Doan
Plan B: Whitney
Plan B2: Parenteau
Plan C: Huselius
Plan D: Jones

That's how I would rank the potential options for a top six winger for the Kings to pursue.

As for the 3rd line C position, if they can retain Stoll at a discounted rate, it is worth considering. If not, Chris Kelly and Paul Gaustad would be the best 3rd line C options available in the free agent market, followed by Daymond Langkow and Dominic Moore.

I don't get this list Ziggy.

Parise: He's like Brad Richards of last season, and Kovalchuk of the year before. EVERYONE will be in on him, or saying they are in there because it doesn't happen that often that a player of his skill is available. Just like other years, Parise will go somewhere else, and stay east.

Doan: Too old, too expensive, gunna be starting the downswing of his career IMO. It's Ryan Smyth 2.0.

Whitney: I like Whitney, but again, I wouldn't take the chance on a soon to be 40 year old player who will command a hefty price. We should look for a better long term option. Plus with Gagne healthy Whitney has no place to go except the 3rd line.

Parenteau: Parenteau I think would actually be a nice option.

Huselius: Huselius is like Gagne, but older, just as fragile, and not as talented a goal scorer. And he is making 4.75 a season right now. No way should we pay ANYTHING close to that to sign something we already have for another year in Gagne.

Jones: Another option I like.


If I were to rank them, personally, in terms of forwards only.

Option A: Parise (Because let's face it, he is an option wether it's realistic or not
Option B: David Jones (Great fit on the 3rd line wing, and can play PP and PK
Option C: Parenteau (I'd like to see him playing 2nd line with Carter and Richards.)


and the one wild card I am surprised no one has mentioned yet is Chris Kelly. Especially if we decide to pass on Stoll, or he doesn't take that significant a pay cut.

Hell Kelly at this point I think would be a better option then Stoll even IF Stoll took a pay cut.

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Parise: He's like Brad Richards of last season, and Kovalchuk of the year before. EVERYONE will be in on him, or saying they are in there because it doesn't happen that often that a player of his skill is available. Just like other years, Parise will go somewhere else, and stay east.
1. If he wants to stay East just because it's East, I don't want him.

2. If we have to pay more than other teams, I don't want him.

I am only interested if he WANTS to play for the Kings at same price that other teams are willing to pay. I want him to say that he has many good offers on the table, but he picked the Kings because he believes that Kings are the best choice for a player in his prime who wants to win something. The sentence doesn't have to be that long, insert obligatory uhhmmms and you knows.

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1. If he wants to stay East just because it's East, I don't want him.

2. If we have to pay more than other teams, I don't want him.

I am only interested if he WANTS to play for the Kings at same price that other teams are willing to pay. I want him to say that he has many good offers on the table, but he picked the Kings because he believes that Kings are the best choice for a player in his prime who wants to win something. The sentence doesn't have to be that long, insert obligatory uhhmmms and you knows.
Yea exactly.

Sadly though, at this stage, there are still MUCH more desirable teams then the Kings.

NYR for one, Detroit ALWAYS has the allure if you come west, as does Chicago. That's just three off the top of my head I can think of.

The Kings are getting up there, and certainly this playoff run helps. BUT, I look at Parise, and if you placed...those four teams alone on a table in front of him, Detroit, Chicago, NYR, L.A. I think the Kings, right now, lose out every time.

Then there are wild cards like...Vancouver, Philly, maybe a team like Florida throws a hail mary..

I dunno, maybe it's me just being negative but when these kinds of players come up for Free Agency, these big time, everyone will be interested, type free agents, the Kings DO NOT get them. It's just the nature of the game.

Players who want to win, and haven't won yet, want to go to team withs A) Tradition B) a history of success

The Kings have SOME tradition, but not quite the same as NYR or Detroit. And we really don't have a history of success. We are forging it right now and hopefully in the future we will be one of those teams.

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