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05-03-2012, 09:20 AM
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Do you remember the "Going to hell in a hand basket" was applied to Fletcher when he came in to clean up the mess that JFJ left? As far as I know all he did to get that criticism was sign Jeff Finger. So what can be said for the last 3 1/2 years?

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05-03-2012, 09:22 AM
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You have to speak french in Montreal, its that simple. It's what the fans want. Just like Leaf fans want Ontario players on the team because they are winners. Hopefully Dudley stays and takes Burke's job after next seasons disaster.
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Do you remember the "Going to hell in a hand basket" was applied to Fletcher when he came in to clean up the mess that JFJ left? As far as I know all he did to get that criticism was sign Jeff Finger. So what can be said for the last 3 1/2 years?
Didn't he trade for Stempniak? That was one of the worst trades since the lockout, imo.

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05-03-2012, 09:23 AM
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Do you remember the "Going to hell in a hand basket" was applied to Fletcher when he came in to clean up the mess that JFJ left? As far as I know all he did to get that criticism was sign Jeff Finger. So what can be said for the last 3 1/2 years?
Key part of that statement.

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05-03-2012, 09:24 AM
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Didn't he trade for Stempniak? That was one of the worst trades since the lockout, imo.
didn't he totally waste a 7th overall pick?

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Didn't he trade for Stempniak? That was one of the worst trades since the lockout, imo.
"going to hell..." was pre-Stemp, but you think that Burke is doing a solid job here based on his trades? I would hope you might consider the standings and no playoffs.

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I'm glad you support Burke. He's gonna need you.

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05-03-2012, 09:26 AM
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I'm not sure if Cliff Fletcher did anything right.

- 3rd for Jamal Mayers
- Steen and Colaiacovo for Stempniak
- Jonas Frogren which was against the rules and cost us a 4th round pick the next season
- Jeff Finger to one of the most ridiculous contracts ever. $3.5M for an AHL player
- Hollweg
- Basically call out the entire "Muskoka 5" and villify them


That was like the worst 6 month span in quite a while

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05-03-2012, 09:26 AM
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I think it's hard to discreetly look like a team isn't tanking but try to tank. I just think Cliff may have signed Finger and traded for Stempniak for that purpose. Although, he did pave the way by trading up to 5th to get Luke Schenn.

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"going to hell..." was pre-Stemp, but you think that Burke is doing a solid job here based on his trades? I would hope you might consider the standings and no playoffs.
What does that have to do with my opinion of Fletcher's terrible trade? Or is that simply a poorly done straw man to cover up your "mis-remembering" of a terrible Fletcher move?

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I'm not sure if Cliff Fletcher did anything right.

- 3rd for Jamal Mayers
- Steen and Colaiacovo for Stempniak
- Jonas Frogren which was against the rules and cost us a 4th round pick the next season
- Jeff Finger to one of the most ridiculous contracts ever. $3.5M for an AHL player
- Hollweg
- Basically call out the entire "Muskoka 5" and villify them


That was like the worst 6 month span in quite a while
Terrible, terrible moves. My god.

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05-03-2012, 09:52 AM
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I'm not sure if Cliff Fletcher did anything right.

- 3rd for Jamal Mayers
- Steen and Colaiacovo for Stempniak
- Jonas Frogren which was against the rules and cost us a 4th round pick the next season
- Jeff Finger to one of the most ridiculous contracts ever. $3.5M for an AHL player
- Hollweg
- Basically call out the entire "Muskoka 5" and villify them


That was like the worst 6 month span in quite a while
Acquired Grabovski and Schenn too. Excepting Kaberle, none of the Muskoka 5 did anything special after leaving Toronto.

There is one trade I'd desperately want a mulligan on and that's the Stempniak trade. I'd still trade Steen, he, Colaiacovo and Wilson weren't working out. I always have to point out that Burke was as good as the GM (apart from being officially announced) when the Stempniak trade was made.

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05-03-2012, 10:05 AM
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LOL. I certainly hope that Fletcher's career goes back further. Poor guy is only known for the Stemp trade and some other minor mishaps according to our round table here.

Burke's career goes back too, but I'm starting to think that we finally know the real Burke.

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What does that have to do with my opinion of Fletcher's terrible trade? Or is that simply a poorly done straw man to cover up your "mis-remembering" of a terrible Fletcher move?
I don't know. Tell me then. What do you think of the following GM's

Fetcher
Quinn
JFJ
Burke

You can grade them if you want.

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I don't know. Tell me then. What do you think of the following GM's

Fetcher
Quinn
JFJ
Burke

You can grade them if you want.
I'm not going to waste my time grading them, as that wasn't the point I made that you're avoiding, but I will say of them all my personal opinion is the highest of Burke and Quinn.

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The question I'm not answering is due to the loaded insult. Judge jury executioner stuff no one answers. You've already made your mind up.

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I'm not sure if Cliff Fletcher did anything right.

- 3rd for Jamal Mayers
- Steen and Colaiacovo for Stempniak
- Jonas Frogren which was against the rules and cost us a 4th round pick the next season
- Jeff Finger to one of the most ridiculous contracts ever. $3.5M for an AHL player
- Hollweg
- Basically call out the entire "Muskoka 5" and villify them


That was like the worst 6 month span in quite a while
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Just a heads up,

Dudley was on the team 990 again, was asked straight up, if Bergevin approached him what would he listen, and be said yes.

With their strong history together, I think this is almost certain to happen.

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05-03-2012, 12:50 PM
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Just a heads up,

Dudley was on the team 990 again, was asked straight up, if Bergevin approached him what would he listen, and be said yes.

With their strong history together, I think this is almost certain to happen.
He is under leafs contract. Do you think burke would allow it? I really doubt it. He's basically an assistant GM over here regardless.

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I'm not going to waste my time grading them, as that wasn't the point I made that you're avoiding, but I will say of them all my personal opinion is the highest of Burke and Quinn.
Yeah, I'm with ya here. I wouldn't mind having Quinn coach this group we have here at the moment, either.

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05-03-2012, 01:10 PM
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He is under leafs contract. Do you think burke would allow it? I really doubt it. He's basically an assistant GM over here regardless.
Like others have said, Burke could possible delay it until after the draft, or possible after July 1st. But since Dudley is "Director, Player Personnel" for the Leafs, and not "Assistant GM", Burke doesn't really have much power if Dudley wanted to be Ast GM under Bergevin.

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I'm not sure if Cliff Fletcher did anything right.

- 3rd for Jamal Mayers
- Steen and Colaiacovo for Stempniak
- Jonas Frogren which was against the rules and cost us a 4th round pick the next season
- Jeff Finger to one of the most ridiculous contracts ever. $3.5M for an AHL player
- Hollweg
- Basically call out the entire "Muskoka 5" and villify them

That was like the worst 6 month span in quite a while
That is what I'll remember Fletcher for. Of all the ways he could have handled that, his was the worst possible. He should have been muzzled.

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That is what I'll remember Fletcher for. Of all the ways he could have handled that, his was the worst possible. He should have been muzzled.
Sorry but can you guys tell me what that was about, reading the thread and I'm kinda confused.

Is it about Fletcher saying none of the core players at the time, ex Stajan, Steen, Antropov, ponikarovsky, and someone else, were not top 6 forwards?

thanks in advance.

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He is under leafs contract. Do you think burke would allow it? I really doubt it. He's basically an assistant GM over here regardless.
As I recall, during a conversation this year, Burke was on record that Nonis was under contract but I think Dudley had an 'out'.

For that reason I don't think Dudley is technically under contract as a result so that he can entertain such offers.

He's as good as gone - which is a shame.

If ever there was a summer we could use Dudley's insight it's this summer, up to, during & after the draft.

Also, when & if things go titts up, Dudley would be a great candidate to step in.

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That is what I'll remember Fletcher for. Of all the ways he could have handled that, his was the worst possible. He should have been muzzled.
If all were approached behind closed doors and rejected any moves, what else did you expect him to do?

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