HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Pittsburgh Penguins
Notices

Offseason Discussion Part III (Contract/FA chart in post #1)

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
05-11-2012, 01:49 PM
  #351
KIRK
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 27,100
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mpp9 View Post
People on here won't like it, but I remember a pretty solid Blues poster saying 1st+Harrington was the best offer he read on here for Stewart.

That's alot to give up. Especially when Harrington is the best defensive D-man prospect we have. Shero's too conservative to pull the trigger on that IMO. I'm confident that Stewart will find his game here, but as a GM, you can't really deal in hypotheticals. Stewart's value isn't anywhere near that return right now.
Shero will be too conservative to pull the trigger on Staal for Kulemin, Bozak, Ashton, and the 5th overall . . .

KIRK is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 02:01 PM
  #352
eXile59
Shirts on.
 
eXile59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: PA
Posts: 16,163
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by KIRK View Post
Shero will be too conservative to pull the trigger on Staal for Kulemin, Bozak, Ashton, and the 5th overall . . .
Or too smart. Why is Bozak even in there? I wouldn't take him if he was on waivers. Guy is horrible in his own end.

eXile59 is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 02:10 PM
  #353
Mr Jiggyfly
Registered User
 
Mr Jiggyfly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 14,261
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by eXile59 View Post
Or too smart. Why is Bozak even in there? I wouldn't take him if he was on waivers. Guy is horrible in his own end.
Bozak isn't horrible in his own end... wtf?

He is a hard working player with a lot of skill. I used to blow him off until I really watched him play this season and he is a good player at both ends of the ice.

His teammates on the back end constantly blowing assignments doesn't help his cause though.

Mr Jiggyfly is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 02:11 PM
  #354
JTG
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Country: Sierra Leone
Posts: 38,543
vCash: 500
Shero still can't shake the conservative label he got?

JTG is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 02:28 PM
  #355
Shady Machine
Registered User
 
Shady Machine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 11,635
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mpp9 View Post
People on here won't like it, but I remember a pretty solid Blues poster saying 1st+Harrington was the best offer he read on here for Stewart.

That's alot to give up. Especially when Harrington is the best defensive D-man prospect we have. Shero's too conservative to pull the trigger on that IMO. I'm confident that Stewart will find his game here, but as a GM, you can't really deal in hypotheticals. Stewart's value isn't anywhere near that return right now.
Saying it was the best offer he read on here and that it was a fair offer are two entirely different statements.

Shady Machine is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 03:07 PM
  #356
eXile59
Shirts on.
 
eXile59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: PA
Posts: 16,163
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Jiggyfly View Post
Bozak isn't horrible in his own end... wtf?

He is a hard working player with a lot of skill. I used to blow him off until I really watched him play this season and he is a good player at both ends of the ice.

His teammates on the back end constantly blowing assignments doesn't help his cause though.
I'm talking about the Bozak on the Leafs. I don't know who you are talking about.

eXile59 is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 03:20 PM
  #357
Mr Jiggyfly
Registered User
 
Mr Jiggyfly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 14,261
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by eXile59 View Post
I'm talking about the Bozak on the Leafs. I don't know who you are talking about.
Hint, he wears #42.

You are obviously watching the wrong guy if you think he is bad defensively.

Mr Jiggyfly is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 03:23 PM
  #358
JTG
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Country: Sierra Leone
Posts: 38,543
vCash: 500
I haven't seen a ton of Bozak, but I never thought he was bad defensively. If you trust his +/-...yeah, I can understand that.

JTG is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 03:36 PM
  #359
Flat Stanley
Registered User
 
Flat Stanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 5,205
vCash: 500
Jordan Staal for Nikolai Kulemin, Tyler Bozak, 5th overall, 35th overall, prospect.

Paul Martin and Tyler Kennedy for Chris Stewart.

Kunitz-Crosby-Stewart
Kulemin-Malkin-Neal
Cooke-Bozak-Dupuis
Tangradi-Vitale-Adams

Orpik-Letang
Despres-Michalek
Niskanen-Engelland
Strait

Fleury
Montoya

In the 2012 NHL Draft have...

2 1sts
2 2nds
1 3rd
2 4ths
1 5th
1 6th
1 7th

I don't know. Lol

Flat Stanley is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 03:37 PM
  #360
mpp9
Registered User
 
mpp9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Country: United States
Posts: 16,875
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JTG View Post
Shero still can't shake the conservative label he got?
Can you see him dealing Harrington? Our only proper defensive D-man in the pipeline? He'd have to be pretty high up on Stewart. I hope he is.

mpp9 is online now  
Old
05-11-2012, 04:07 PM
  #361
JTG
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Country: Sierra Leone
Posts: 38,543
vCash: 500
I can absolutely see him dealing Harrington.

JTG is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 04:12 PM
  #362
TheRollingPuck
Free fallin'
 
TheRollingPuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Moncton, NB
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,813
vCash: 500
Despres and Morrow would be the only prospects I'd consider untouchable.

TheRollingPuck is online now  
Old
05-11-2012, 04:28 PM
  #363
Crosberry87
Registered User
 
Crosberry87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,975
vCash: 500
I would move Bennett before Harrington.

Crosberry87 is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 04:31 PM
  #364
JTG
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Country: Sierra Leone
Posts: 38,543
vCash: 500
People hated the Harrington pick, and now people want him to be untouchable. And so it goes...

JTG is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 04:56 PM
  #365
mpp9
Registered User
 
mpp9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Country: United States
Posts: 16,875
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JTG View Post
I can absolutely see him dealing Harrington.
Fair enough. I wouldn't think twice, but judging from people's views on his progress, I figured there'd be a bit more hesitancy.

We don't exactly have a replacement for him in the pipeline.

mpp9 is online now  
Old
05-11-2012, 05:01 PM
  #366
JTG
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Country: Sierra Leone
Posts: 38,543
vCash: 500
He plays a similar game to Strait or Bortuzzo. Both are good defensively and serviceable offensively.

JTG is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 05:04 PM
  #367
Coach John McGuirk
Bylstarded
 
Coach John McGuirk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Jersey Shore, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 14,520
vCash: 500
None of our prospects are untouchable, nor should they be. If the right deal comes along, they should be moved.

Coach John McGuirk is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 08:11 PM
  #368
KIRK
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 27,100
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach John McGuirk View Post
None of our prospects are untouchable, nor should they be. If the right deal comes along, they should be moved.
Well, that should be the case, but sometimes I wonder when it comes to Shero if Tyler Kennedy or a 2nd round pick is untouchable. If they weren't, then wouldn't he have moved Strait or Bortuzzo and a 2nd for a deadline rental like, say, Grossman?

KIRK is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 08:15 PM
  #369
JTG
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Country: Sierra Leone
Posts: 38,543
vCash: 500
Maybe he tried to move for Grossman? Just because he offers doesn't mean a team has to take it.

JTG is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 08:18 PM
  #370
KIRK
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 27,100
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JTG View Post
Maybe he tried to move for Grossman? Just because he offers doesn't mean a team has to take it.
Maybe he did. Then again, did you get the impression-- from anyone or anywhere-- that defense was seen as a need.

My gut says he was trying to get a scoring line forward. I don't think he was shopping for a defenseman. At the time (of the deadline), it didn't look like there was an issue according to a lot, maybe even a majority, of people here.

KIRK is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 10:10 PM
  #371
AgentM
Registered User
 
AgentM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Allison Park, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 6,825
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mpp9 View Post
People on here won't like it, but I remember a pretty solid Blues poster saying 1st+Harrington was the best offer he read on here for Stewart.

That's alot to give up. Especially when Harrington is the best defensive D-man prospect we have. Shero's too conservative to pull the trigger on that IMO. I'm confident that Stewart will find his game here, but as a GM, you can't really deal in hypotheticals. Stewart's value isn't anywhere near that return right now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JTG View Post
I can absolutely see him dealing Harrington.
What about this then:

To St Louis: Staal, Harrington, 2nd Round Pick 2012

To Pittsburgh: Oshie and Stewart

I think Staal is worth more than Oshie straight up so you knock that draft pick down a peg from mpp9's proposal. I doubt that the Blues would move two wingers of their caliber in the same trade (even if they are down on Stewart) but just imagine what our top two lines would look like:

Oshie - Malkin - Neal
Kunitz - Crosby - Stewart

Those are sexy sexy lines!

AgentM is offline  
Old
05-11-2012, 10:47 PM
  #372
Ugene Malkin
Bück Dich Baby!
 
Ugene Malkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Pittsburgh
Country: Germany
Posts: 21,085
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by KIRK View Post
Maybe he did. Then again, did you get the impression-- from anyone or anywhere-- that defense was seen as a need.

My gut says he was trying to get a scoring line forward. I don't think he was shopping for a defenseman. At the time (of the deadline), it didn't look like there was an issue according to a lot, maybe even a majority, of people here.
Yes there was a legitimate concern, one that they thought they could overcome by scoring more with the infusion of the best player in the world. It didn't work out that way.

That's what happens when you ignore the obvious and the fact the playoffs are bread for sound defense. Pens defense was all smoke and mirrors.

Just listen to Shero when he gave his interviews. He alway reverts back to when he signed both Martin and Michalek, but he never talked enough about the season/playoffs at hand, and only went into defence mode of his choices to sign them. He let a pretty good opportunity slip by at the deadline because he didn't want to pay the price to strengthen the defense.

See, the offense was already there with a healthy Crosby ripe for a return. Why would they go after offense being one of the top teams scoring then even without Sid?

I agree prices were high, but this team has plenty to offer without giving up the 1st rounder.

Offense won by majority, Shero, Blysma, offensive players. Will that happen again?

Lets just say lesson learned. I hope.

Ugene Malkin is offline  
Old
05-12-2012, 12:37 AM
  #373
#66
Registered User
 
#66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Country: United States
Posts: 10,269
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugene Malkin View Post
Yes there was a legitimate concern, one that they thought they could overcome by scoring more with the infusion of the best player in the world. It didn't work out that way.

That's what happens when you ignore the obvious and the fact the playoffs are bread for sound defense. Pens defense was all smoke and mirrors.

Just listen to Shero when he gave his interviews. He alway reverts back to when he signed both Martin and Michalek, but he never talked enough about the season/playoffs at hand, and only went into defence mode of his choices to sign them. He let a pretty good opportunity slip by at the deadline because he didn't want to pay the price to strengthen the defense.

See, the offense was already there with a healthy Crosby ripe for a return. Why would they go after offense being one of the top teams scoring then even without Sid?

I agree prices were high, but this team has plenty to offer without giving up the 1st rounder.

Offense won by majority, Shero, Blysma, offensive players. Will that happen again?

Lets just say lesson learned. I hope.
I haven't been keeping up but if Shero thinks the man power on defense is the problem then I've really got to question him.

This defense has a lot more issues than Paul Martin being a softie.There wasn't one defenseman that looked good in the final weeks of the season and in the playoffs. Suter and Weber can both step onto a sloppy team... both will end up looking just as bad.

#66 is online now  
Old
05-12-2012, 01:09 AM
  #374
Sidney the Kidney
All zee Germans!
 
Sidney the Kidney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,825
vCash: 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by eXile59 View Post
I'm talking about the Bozak on the Leafs. I don't know who you are talking about.
I gotta agree with Jiggy on this one. I've never heard anyone say Bozak is bad defensively, nor have I ever seen him play like a defensive reliability in the 30+ games I see the Leafs play per season.

The knock on Bozak tends to be more about how his offensive upside is limited, and that's why he's not suited as a #1 center for the Leafs, and thus their need for an upgrade. But his defensive play has never been a knock against him. If he were to simply be left as 3C for them, he'd do quite well.

Sidney the Kidney is offline  
Old
05-12-2012, 01:24 AM
  #375
eXile59
Shirts on.
 
eXile59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: PA
Posts: 16,163
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidney the Kidney View Post
I gotta agree with Jiggy on this one. I've never heard anyone say Bozak is bad defensively, nor have I ever seen him play like a defensive reliability in the 30+ games I see the Leafs play per season.

The knock on Bozak tends to be more about how his offensive upside is limited, and that's why he's not suited as a #1 center for the Leafs, and thus their need for an upgrade. But his defensive play has never been a knock against him. If he were to simply be left as 3C for them, he'd do quite well.
Okay maybe I was wrong. The games I saw him play against the Pens I wasn't impressed with his work in his own end. Over 82 games it's hard to remember everything especially for a team I don't go out of my way to watch.

eXile59 is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:37 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.