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05-03-2012, 12:47 PM
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He didn't say that at all...

It was a suggestion, which he immediately followed it up by saying he doesn't think the Pens are looking to move Staal and that the more likely candidate to be moved at some point is Malkin
Thanks for clarifying and I agree with Marc.

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05-03-2012, 12:48 PM
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What he meant was 3rd overall for Toews.

Ahem.

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Actually that wouldn't be a bad move, the draft is a little weak this year, only thing that concerns me is he is always hurt

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Good to get clarification...and if they are indeed willing to move Malkin, they can have the 3rd.
Sounded more like fantasy talk to me more then anything. I doubt both sides would do that deal as is.

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05-03-2012, 12:50 PM
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Players picked at the #3 spots the last 10 years:

11- Huburdeau
10- Gudbranson
09- Duchene
08- Bogosian
07- Turris
06- Towes
05- Joshnson
04- Barker
03- Horton
02- Bowmeester

As you can see the chances of getting an impact player increased with the later years. That's because I believe on the whole the pool of good players is getting better.

I would rather have a Towes, Duchene, Grudbranson or Huburdeau than J Staal.

So no I would keep my 3rd pick.

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05-03-2012, 12:53 PM
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So Pierre got turned down for the GM job and already knows what Bergevin is trying to do?

Was Molson working this trade out with Shero and told McGuire, or did McGuire's good buddy Shero tell him?

Is this sillier than the Gomez buyout speculation?
This might have been a hypothetical situation brought up in an interview. Would you trade #3 for Jordan Staal? My response would have been only if we could work Letang into the deal with Pleks going to Pittsburgh.

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05-03-2012, 12:54 PM
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BTW, for those who were pro-McGuire as GM, this is several times now he has suggested dealing the pick or picks/prospects to improve immediately...we dodged a bullet.
Agreed. In fact, he may have mentioned something in these lines during interviews and that killed his chances for the position

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05-03-2012, 12:56 PM
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If Stall is acquired, Plekanec will be traded for a good second line winger.

The third pick will not be a concession player anyway.
That's the kind of talent analysis that people usually ignore.

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He didn't say that at all...

It was a suggestion, which he immediately followed it up by saying he doesn't think the Pens are looking to move Staal and that the more likely candidate to be moved at some point is Malkin
Thanks for the perspective. I highly doubt McGuire would be as blunt as to reveal negociations or potential moves 1 day after losing a GM position with the team he was interested in managing.

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Jordan Staal keeps getting better and better despite limited ice time (no pp) and can shut down. I don't like the fact that he will be a UFA after next season but if we can trade for him I'd be all in. He was great in the playoffs

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This might have been a hypothetical situation brought up in an interview. Would you trade #3 for Jordan Staal? My response would have been only if we could work Letang into the deal with Pleks going to Pittsburgh.
So now you want one of the best shut down centers in the league plus Pittsburgh's number one defenceman for 3rd overall pick and a very good second line two way center?

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Shouldn't this be in the trade proposals thread since Pierre McGuire thankfully has nothing to do with our franchise?

I'd rather draft Galchenyuk than trade the pick for Staal, like its been said already if we trade for Staal we'll still need a #1 centre.

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This might have been a hypothetical situation brought up in an interview. Would you trade #3 for Jordan Staal? My response would have been only if we could work Letang into the deal with Pleks going to Pittsburgh.
We could dream about that. Maybe Despres but they're not moving Letang especially at his cap hit, he is a steal for the Penguins

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I'd rather draft Galchenyuk than trade the pick for Staal, like its been said already if we trade for Staal we'll still need a #1 centre.
Jordan Staal is a first line center needing ice time.

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It is the contract situation that is the kicker. I'd trade the #3 overall for long-term possession of Staal. Easy. But with the reality instead that Staal is just signed for 1 more year and then becomes UFA... well, it's a non-starter.

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Shouldn't this be in the trade proposals thread since Pierre McGuire thankfully has nothing to do with our franchise?

I'd rather draft Galchenyuk than trade the pick for Staal, like its been said already if we trade for Staal we'll still need a #1 centre.
Staal had 25 goals and helpers for 50pts in only 62 games despite playing behind the 2 best Centers in the league with limited ice time.

I think some forget that Jordan is only 23 years old, he isn't 32

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Forgive me for comparing the two players but I would be afraid Stall would turn into another Antoine Vermette. Essentially a player who was always thought to be better if he would only get 1st line minutes. There is a huge difference between the defensive coverage of a 1st line center and 2nd-3rd.

The only thing that makes that trade attractive is the uncertainty with the prospects this year. I don't think there will be a Toews available at our draft position.

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05-03-2012, 01:03 PM
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So you all think our 1st round pick will be better Staal?

Lol poor guy he's already a bust and he's not even draft.

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Signed Staal for the 3rd overall pick is fair and I would probably do it . But the 3rd overall pick for 1 year of Staal ? lol never.

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Staal had 25 goals and helpers for 50pts in only 62 games despite playing behind the 2 best Centers in the league with limited ice time.

I think some forget that Jordan is only 23 years old, he isn't 32
Agreed. 6'4, 220lbs, excellent defensively, excellent on the penalty kill, great character, good on faceoffs, scored 25 goals in only 62 games, and is only 23. What more do people want from a #1 center??

The contract situation wouldn't be an issue for me. You open the vault, plain and simple.

The only think I would be concerned with is the injury thing. If you don't think he's going to be a healthy player, then you hesitate. But in terms of performance, and everything this franchise needs, and indeed is hoping to draft this summer, he's exactly it.

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Good to get clarification...and if they are indeed willing to move Malkin, they can have the 3rd.

BTW, for those who were pro-McGuire as GM, this is several times now he has suggested dealing the pick or picks/prospects to improve immediately...we dodged a bullet.
he's not the only one
practically everyone has suggested moving the 3rd at one point or another especially for Stall or Huberdeau

mcguire haters are so bad
its like all you guys do is ignore the world and just wait for PM to say something bad.

At first i wanted PM as GM but the more i read about him and the more other candidates surfaced, it was clear he was no the best choice, but he's still very knowledgeable. So many ppl discredit him based on his tv persona.

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no way the team does it for a "UFA in 1 year" Staal.... at least i hope not.


but if they were able to secure some negotiation rights, and managed to get a commitment from Staal to sign a long-term extension that both sides agreed to (something in the 5-6M$ range over 4-6 years I'd imagine), then I'd have to seriously consider it...


People make much of Staal not being more than a 60pt guy thus far, but at 24 & given the role he's largely been used in thus far, I'm more of the opinion that in a permanent top-6 role, he'd emerge as a roughly ppg level producer (70-80pts/season), while remaining an excellent two-way player.


in many ways he's a perfect complement to our current C group, allowing us to move whichever of the other 3 produces the greatest return.

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Players picked at the #3 spots the last 10 years:

11- Huburdeau
10- Gudbranson
09- Duchene
08- Bogosian
07- Turris
06- Towes
05- Joshnson
04- Barker
03- Horton
02- Bowmeester

As you can see the chances of getting an impact player increased with the later years. That's because I believe on the whole the pool of good players is getting better.

I would rather have a Towes, Duchene, Grudbranson or Huburdeau than J Staal.

So no I would keep my 3rd pick.
but this year is one of the weakest drafts in atleast the last 5 years.

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Did anyone else just heard what Pierre McGuire just said on The FAN 1200?

3rd overall vs Jordan Staal
our GM said yesterday he will trade the 3rd over all pick, if he thinks it will make the team better

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I would take Staal for the 3rd if we were allowed to negotiate with him. The guy was great in the playoffs and IMO has the potential to be exactly what we've lacked on this team forever...a big, skilled center who in addition is defensively responsible and is a great penalty killer. He also had 50 points in 62 games this year playing as the 2nd or 3rd line center with limited PP time. The injury issues the past couple of years re a bit of a concern, but people are talking about Galchenyuk (whose game I also really like) who himself is coming off an ACL tear. If you can't negotiate with him beforehand though and he's gonna be a UFA after next season, I agree it could be too big of a risk. We cannot afford to trade this pick for someone and lose him in a year...that is completely not an option.

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So now you want one of the best shut down centers in the league plus Pittsburgh's number one defenceman for 3rd overall pick and a very good second line two way center?
There's not much difference between Staal and Plekanec. So it's #3 for Letang and I'd add a little more to sweeten the pot. Staal's an impending UFA after next season, I wouldn't even think about #3 for Staal straight up - sillyness.

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