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05-03-2012, 04:39 PM
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Stone is unproven at the NHL level, Schenn albeit not living up to expectations thus far was a 5th overall pick and is only 22... give him time. I don't believe Bryan Murray can swing another 3rd round pick for Filatov type of trade again. Not when Schenn has actually done something in his brief tenure with the Leafs.

Blacker and a pick perhaps.

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... you see guy, you have no one. No idea why you put all those laughing smileys.

Come to think of it, Gardiner. Gardiner and Kessel.
lol alright ... ALFY iSZ A GoDD lUlZ!!! SenZ r Best!

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... you see guy, you have no one. No idea why you put all those laughing smileys.

Come to think of it, Gardiner. Gardiner and Kessel.
That is because you clearly have no idea what the Leafs have in their organization. There have been countless players that tore the junior leagues apart that do not make the NHL.

There is no way a Mark Stone type boom or bust prospect is worth anything close to a young d-man like Schenn who still has great potential.

The Leafs have a lot of quality pieces in their organization that are on par or better than Stone. Just because your 6th round pick is looking good, does not make him untouchable or worth the world.

Do some research before you go all type happy.

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1 bad year and he's a 3rd pairing dman? even though he was the #1 guy for the Leafs in the 10/11 season?

and Stone is all of a sudden untouchable because he had 1 good game?
Hes untouchable because hes a very good prospect.

Schenn was #1 in ice time because the other defensemen that were on that team were lulz.

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05-03-2012, 04:46 PM
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and Stone is not?

he's a decent prospect .. that is all

Schenn has PROVEN to be a NHL-calibre player..
You know who else has proven to be an NHL-calibre player. Winchester. So... Winnie for Schenn? Hmm?

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its funny though since Karlsson was your #1 dman in the 10/11 season as well .. in which the sens did worse than the leafs

so is Karlsson no more than a 3rd pairing D?
Wow... short-sighted post of the year.

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lol alright ... ALFY iSZ A GoDD lUlZ!!! SenZ r Best!
This post reeks of maturity...

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That is because you clearly have no idea what the Leafs have in their organization. There have been countless players that tore the junior leagues apart that do not make the NHL.

There is no way a young d-man like Schenn who still has great potential is worth anything close to a Mark Stone type boom or bust prospect.

The Leafs have a lot of quality pieces in their organization that are on par or better than Stone. Just because your 6th round pick is looking good, does not make him untouchable or worth the world.

Do some research before you go all type happy.
Again, no list of players. Schenn is a 3rd pairing defenseman and hasn't improved in his time in NHL. He's a defensive defenseman who isn't particularly good at defense.

Stone isn't really boom or bust. Murray believes he is ready right now. He is a likely top six winger, and he is a big body so he could find his place in the bottom six even if his offense doesn't pan out.

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Wow... short-sighted post of the year.
Bro, your guy has done the same thing with Schenn. Just because we had a coach that did not use Schenn properly does not mean he is a bad player. He is 22, and still has lots to learn. Poor performances on terrible teams does not mean that as an individual you suck, it means the whole team sucked and you suffered because of it.

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LOL wow is Stone becoming overrated

Seriously,

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Bro, your guy has done the same thing with Schenn. Just because we had a coach that did not use Schenn properly does not mean he is a bad player. He is 22, and still has lots to learn. Poor performances on terrible teams does not mean that as an individual you suck, it means the whole team sucked and you suffered because of it.
Maybe schenn was the reason the team sucked

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Again, no list of players. Schenn is a 3rd pairing defenseman and hasn't improved in his time in NHL. He's a defensive defenseman who isn't particularly good at defense.

Stone isn't really boom or bust. Murray believes he is ready right now. He is a likely top six winger, and he is a big body so he could find his place in the bottom six even if his offense doesn't pan out.
You want a list? Okay here it is:

Nazem Kadri, Joe Colborne, Matt Frattin, the guy we take at #5, Kessel, Lupul, Grabo, Schenn, Phaneuf, Gunnarsson, Brad Ross.

All of these players have value equal to or much much higher than that of Mark Stone. Just because you are a Sens fan and a sens prospect homer does not absolve your ignorance.

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Maybe schenn was the reason the team sucked
Yes, because one player makes the whole team suck.

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LOL wow is Stone becoming overrated

Seriously,
He put up more points then Kadri in the CHL.

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This is what Stone is.

-An NHL caliber bottom 6 player (at the moment) who has the POTENTIAL to be a top 6 forward, due to his size, nose for the net, and shot.

He hasn't reached it yet. Sens fans should stop arguing that he has.

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People need to understand Asset Management and GM's. These type of players NEVER get traded this early. Why? Because their value doesn't rise dramatically enough until they prove they play in the NHL and show that they belong.

This means opposing GMs aren't willing to pay a premium for something that is a boom or bust type situation.

For the GM (in this case Murray), their ass would be on the line if they traded a late round pick who showed potential and they actually broke out.

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Yes, because one player makes the whole team suck.
Touche, i forgot all the players on that team suck.

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You want a list? Okay here it is:

Nazem Kadri, Joe Colborne, Matt Frattin, the guy we take at #5, Kessel, Lupul, Grabo, Schenn, Phaneuf, Gunnarsson, Brad Ross.

All of these players have value equal to or much much higher than that of Mark Stone. Just because you are a Sens fan and a sens prospect homer does not absolve your ignorance.
Take Brad Ross off that list. Don't kid yourself.

Have you watched that guy play?

EDIT: If you're wondering, yes I hate Brad Ross. I feel like he was incredibly overrated and disappointed me when I watched him play.

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You want a list? Okay here it is:

Nazem Kadri, Joe Colborne, Matt Frattin, the guy we take at #5, Kessel, Lupul, Grabo, Schenn, Phaneuf, Gunnarsson, Brad Ross.

All of these players have value equal to or much much higher than that of Mark Stone. Just because you are a Sens fan and a sens prospect homer does not absolve your ignorance.
Regardless of trade value, I seriously doubt the Sens would trade Stone for any of those guys. Maybe Lupul, Grabo or Phaneuf, but i personally wouldn't. None of those prospects would get Stone.

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League-wide, I would say a prospect like Stone has elevated his worth to somewhere around a 2nd Round Pick.

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Regardless of trade value, I seriously doubt the Sens would trade Stone for any of those guys. Maybe Lupul, Grabo or Phaneuf, but i personally wouldn't. None of those prospects would get Stone.
I would trade Stone for Lupul or Kessel without a doubt. You'd be crazy not too.

None of the others tho

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League-wide, I would say a prospect like Stone has elevated his worth to somewhere around a 2nd Round Pick.
I'd say a late 1st. And no way the Sens trade him for just fair value.

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Regardless of trade value, I seriously doubt the Sens would trade Stone for any of those guys. Maybe Lupul, Grabo or Phaneuf, but i personally wouldn't. None of those prospects would get Stone.
That's bias, and I'm calling you out for it.

I think you're becoming one of those fans that is unhealthy obsessed with certain prospects that you've had a limited amount of chances to see them.

There's a huge jump from Juniors to the Pros. Why was Corey Locke not a superstar? He put up crazy points in Junior.

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I'd say a late 1st. And no way the Sens trade him for just fair value.
I completely agree that they wouldn't trade him for value.

I repeat:

People need to understand Asset Management and GM's. These type of players NEVER get traded this early. Why? Because their value doesn't rise dramatically enough until they prove they play in the NHL and show that they belong.

This means opposing GMs aren't willing to pay a premium for something that is a boom or bust type situation.

For the GM (in this case Murray), their ass would be on the line if they traded a late round pick who showed potential and they actually broke out.

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I would trade Stone for Lupul or Kessel without a doubt. You'd be crazy not too.

None of the others tho
Kessel obviously like I have said previously. But Lupul has really only been good this season, is usually just a crappy 2nd liner, and has injury concerns.

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and Leafs fans get laughed at for overrating their prospects.

Good lord.

This has got to be one of the biggest joke threads in some time.

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Regardless of trade value, I seriously doubt the Sens would trade Stone for any of those guys. Maybe Lupul, Grabo or Phaneuf, but i personally wouldn't. None of those prospects would get Stone.
I have no interest in either the Sens or the Leafs, but that's pathetic. The Sens wouldn't trade Mark Stone for Kessel? Gardiner? 5th overall? Please.

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and Leafs fans get laughed at for overrating their prospects.

Good lord.

This has got to be one of the biggest joke threads in some time.
Yes, because the comments of one poster dictate an entire fanbase.

I swear I've heard that before.

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