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05-06-2012, 08:00 AM
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When the Devils were winning their cups with the neutral zone trap everyone whined the game was boring. The Flyers went out and loaded up with big tough defensemen. That backfired when the league clamped down on interference. So now we have the coach that plays high risk offense and the team is exciting, but now its seems that the league has gone backwards and they are now allowing more trapping again.

The question now appears how to beat this modified trap. This is Lavi's problem. Both the Devils and Rangers play this way again and we can't seem to beat either one. Hopingthat Lavi can come up with a solution, but I doubt it. If the referees are going to allow interference in the neutral zone I don't think we can win with our team design.

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05-06-2012, 08:34 AM
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You need mobile puck moving defenseman, smart dump ins, and a fast and physical forecheck.

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The NHL is at fault this time. Not the teams.

People cried when more penalties were being called straight out of the lock-out, but it provided some damn exciting hockey. It gave skilled small players a chance to play the game. The NHL has completley abandoned this notion and has decided to let the obstruction back into the game for some unknown reason.

All pre-lockout teams struggled heavily in the few seasons post-lockout. They have eventually found their way back due to the refs allowing hooking holding and tripping.

Why the refs have decided to reverse the method in which they ref games is beyond me. It worked for 3 seasons, and we had fast flowing hockey.

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Is it really a trap, or is it a sound defensive structure with sound defensive players? The games in Philly I was watching and noticed that they send in the first guy to try and force the defenseman to move the puck, and the 2nd guy is still in the zone.

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It's a half trap with full ice pressure. Flyers are having a problem getting out of their own end because of the Devil's forecheck. I actually thought it would drain the energy out of the Devils, but it hasn't.

The solution is dumping the puck in at the red line, but the full ice pressure, making the Flyers pressured to pass quickly once they regain the puck, is making it so they cannot even get to the red line. The Flyer's side of the neutral zone is clogged. Even when they make it to the red line, everyone is so far away trying hang back to get it out of their own end, that everyone is late getting to the dump in. Marty comes out and plays the puck. Repeat. A few Flyers have tried to be specific, when they can, and put the puck in the corner so Marty cannot get it in the trapezoid.

Full ice pressure. Clog. Grind the piss out of the Flyers. Repeat.

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05-06-2012, 12:23 PM
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It's a half trap with full ice pressure. Flyers are having a problem getting out of their own end because of the Devil's forecheck. I actually thought it would drain the energy out of the Devils, but it hasn't.

The solution is dumping the puck in at the red line, but the full ice pressure, making the Flyers pressured to pass quickly once they regain the puck, is making it so they cannot even get to the red line. The Flyer's side of the neutral zone is clogged. Even when they make it to the red line, everyone is so far away trying hang back to get it out of their own end, that everyone is late getting to the dump in. Marty comes out and plays the puck. Repeat. A few Flyers have tried to be specific, when they can, and put the puck in the corner so Marty cannot get it in the trapezoid.

Full ice pressure. Clog. Grind the piss out of the Flyers. Repeat.
you seem to understand their system well. How do we beat it?

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05-06-2012, 12:30 PM
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you seem to understand their system well. How do we beat it?
Exactly what Lavi has said to the media.

Win the battles (might be hard--people are banged up). Better transitional play. Devils are trying to make the Flyers dump and chase, which has the lowest success rate of any means of bringing the puck over the blue line onside. Then have Marty drop the percentage even lower by playing the puck.

It's like anti-Corsi puck possession magic.

The Flyers score in droves. Not allowing the Flyers to have the puck. Notice the more recent goals have been quick strike, instead of long drawn out pressure via puck possession, or they have been goals quickly off a rare faceoff win.

If they Devils continue to remove the Flyers 5on5 play by muting the puck possession-- the power play drying up sinks the series.

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You beat it by stretching out the defense. It will get us in some trouble if we don't do it right at first, but if we hang the wings near our blueline when they dump it in and our defensemen, god forbid, can make a good breakout pass, we'll have odd-man rushes going the other way all day. IF the defensemen can do that, then the Devils are going to have to back off their forecheck because it's going to allow consistent odd-man rushes going the other way. That, and cross-ice passes that change the location of the puck quickly. The Devils attack one guy hard, send the puck on the opposite side of the ice and they're out of position, and outnumbered. It all hinges on our defense's ability to make breakout passes that force the Devils to respect us. We do that, they back off, and we can play our game again.

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05-06-2012, 12:37 PM
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It's a half trap with full ice pressure. Flyers are having a problem getting out of their own end because of the Devil's forecheck. I actually thought it would drain the energy out of the Devils, but it hasn't.
Then it's not a trap, it's something different.

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Then it's not a trap, it's something different.
As I understood the previous poster likens it to, the trap but not set in the netural zone? in our zone instead, using the full ice?

All I know is that we MUST score on the PP as 5v5 isn't clicking.

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I think we just get caught up in the trap because it's such a common part of the vernacular.

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Then it's not a trap, it's something different.
I wouldn't know what to call it, then. They certainly attack the person with the puck and steer them to the boards where a second player comes in once the first has made a successful disruption on the puck mover. Instead of a 3-2 in the neutral zone, it looks like a 1 (aggressor)-2-2 or 3-2 (depending) where in they absolutely collapse like the trap when the d is confident the puck is being held up.

If not a half trap (because at least one guy is always attacking the puck instead of removing ice by edging towards the boards), then I'm honestly not sure what to call it.

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There is more than one trap in hockey. The Devils played the 1-2-2. There's 1-3-1 Tampa runs that. 2-3 trap aka left wing lock. There's way to counter all these traps, however it's sometimes not as easy as you think.

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All of the traps require interference to work. At this point in the playoffs the officials are not calling interference penalties allowing teams to play the trap. These traps are what drive people away from watching hockey. They don't allow free skatikng and talents to shine.

The common complaints you hear is that there is not enough scoring in hockey to keep interest to the none initiated fans.

Watch what happens to players after they dump the puck in and try to chase.

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