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05-07-2012, 08:54 PM
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If it was my decision, I would chose Blake Comeau.

I actually like what he can bring to this hockey club, and feel he still has the ability to be a very good third line player. I don't think it is completely outrageous to think he could pot 15 goals, and 35 points on the third line. He brings two intangibles to our forward group that very few can match, speed and physicality.

If he would agree to sign a one year deal, at a heavily discounted figure I would absolutely welcome him back.

If that were the case I would try to balance our top nine forwards and roll the lines as follows.

Alex Tanguay - Roman Cervenka - Jarome Iginla
Sven Baertschi - Matt Stajan - Mike Cammalleri
Curtis Glencross - Mikael Backlund - Blake Comeau
Lance Bouma - Blair Jones - Greg Nemisz

Then have Jackman rotate in and out of the lineup with Bouma and Nemisz throughout the entirety of the season.

It is certainly not a "sexy" lineup, but thats what we have to work with at the moment.
I still expect a few major moves over the offseason.

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05-07-2012, 09:02 PM
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Let them all walk, all 3 players are easily replaceable in 3rd, 4th line roles, and none of them do anything really well, save the cash for a FO specialist, a physical grinder, or a top 4 dman,

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05-08-2012, 02:18 AM
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Lets say he did, and just resigned Jones and Comeau.

Tangs Cammy Iggy
Baertschi Cervenka Glencross
Horak/Byron Backlund Comeau/Nemisz
Bouma/Aliu Jones Jackman

I actually don't mind that lineup one bit, there is a ton of speed in there.
A couple of injuries to the top 6 and that is an AHL forward core. Risky to say the least.

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05-08-2012, 09:08 AM
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Now that I thought more about it, I say let them all walk.

FA targets are a better option considering our cap situation.

Stoll, Tootoo, Carcillo, Konopka, Gaustad, Asham, etc...These guys all bring more to the team. Obviously we can't sign everyone, but something like the below forward lineup is better then re-signing any of the 3 current flames.

Tanguay-Stajan-Iginla
Bartschi/Glencross-Cervenka-Cammy
Glencross/Bartschi-Stoll-Tootoo
Bouma-Jones-Jackman

I really think that both Stoll and Tootoo are going to be available and would be willing to come to Calgary at the right price.

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05-08-2012, 01:47 PM
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Gnome, Carcillo re-signed a while back

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05-08-2012, 02:19 PM
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Gnome, Carcillo re-signed a while back
Boourns! Oh well, My main forward targets would be Stoll and Tootoo. Both of them should hit FA.

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05-08-2012, 02:44 PM
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Boourns! Oh well, My main forward targets would be Stoll and Tootoo. Both of them should hit FA.
I would also look at Konopka for the 4th line center role

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05-08-2012, 02:51 PM
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I would also look at Konopka for the 4th line center role
Great idea, unfortunatly I see him staying in OTT. Regardless he would be an upgrade to our 4th line.

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Great idea, unfortunatly I see him staying in OTT. Regardless he would be an upgrade to our 4th line.
I'll be fairly surprised if Ottawa keeps him. They have way too many forwards fighting for roster spots.

1. Spezza
2. Michalek
3. Turris
4. Alfie (maybe if he doesn't retire)
5. Foligno
6. Smith
7. Silfverberg
8. Neil
9. Greening
10. Condra
11. Winchester
12. Zibenajed
13. Daugivins
14. Regin
15. O'Brien
16. Stone

I'm pretty sure I'm missing someone too.

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Great idea, unfortunatly I see him staying in OTT. Regardless he would be an upgrade to our 4th line.
the things I want in a 4th line center in order are:
1. Good on faceoffs
2. Not a defensive liability
3. Can play PK effectively

Anything in terms of physicality or scoring is a complete bonus to me as I think Jackman, Bouma & Jones could provide the physical play when they are in the lineup.

I have suggested it before but I think picking up Marty Reasoner could work too, he fits my criteria and it sounds like he would be available for a song (even that Isles fan that overrates everyone said he would move him for Carson)

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I'll be fairly surprised if Ottawa keeps him. They have way too many forwards fighting for roster spots.

1. Spezza
2. Michalek
3. Turris
4. Alfie (maybe if he doesn't retire)
5. Foligno
6. Smith
7. Silfverberg
8. Neil
9. Greening
10. Condra
11. Winchester
12. Zibenajed
13. Daugivins
14. Regin
15. O'Brien
16. Stone

I'm pretty sure I'm missing someone too.
Hope you are right. I'd love to sign Konopka.

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05-08-2012, 03:34 PM
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the things I want in a 4th line center in order are:
1. Good on faceoffs
2. Not a defensive liability
3. Can play PK effectively

Anything in terms of physicality or scoring is a complete bonus to me as I think Jackman, Bouma & Jones could provide the physical play when they are in the lineup.

I have suggested it before but I think picking up Marty Reasoner could work too, he fits my criteria and it sounds like he would be available for a song (even that Isles fan that overrates everyone said he would move him for Carson)
Exactly, FO's, something this team has not been able to do for longer then I can remember. If that is not one of the highest priorities for management this offseason then I'd say they are off their collective rockers.

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05-08-2012, 03:47 PM
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I would love to see some faceoff improvement - someone like Gaustad, or some of the suggestions above.

But none of these solve the top 6 C problem. Which is why I think that we should sign Jokinen and a faceoff guy, then look to move Backlund and Stajan (maybe giving Backs some showcase time for a couple months to try and up his value).

I hate the thought of moving a 22 year old, but our C depth is a mess and he isn't big, strong on the puck, good at faceoffs, or providing production.

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I would love to see some faceoff improvement - someone like Gaustad, or some of the suggestions above.

But none of these solve the top 6 C problem. Which is why I think that we should sign Jokinen and a faceoff guy, then look to move Backlund and Stajan (maybe giving Backs some showcase time for a couple months to try and up his value).

I hate the thought of moving a 22 year old, but our C depth is a mess and he isn't big, strong on the puck, good at faceoffs, or providing production.
I think a deal like Backlund for Yannick Weber would be good for both the Flames and Habs. Both young with alot of potential. Habs add a centerman and we add a RH defensemen

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Of there is anyway possible to pick up Tootoo, than let them walk. Always been a huge Tootoo fan, would kill to have him on our 4th line.

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I think a deal like Backlund for Yannick Weber would be good for both the Flames and Habs. Both young with alot of potential. Habs add a centerman and we add a RH defensemen
I wouldn't mind this. It's tough trading a 22 year old but if it is for another young player with some upside, that is ok.

And I think Reinhart is going to pass Backlund on the depth charts in fairly short order anyway.

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05-09-2012, 06:47 PM
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Comeau would make a solid 4th liner. Auli, Jones, and Combs would make a solid, young energy line good for the odd offensive contribution. Stempniak and Moss are too inconsistent for secondary scoring, therefore I'd say we pass. I like both players when they switch it on, but we need consistent goals coming from the depth

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Comeau would make a solid 4th liner. Auli, Jones, and Combs would make a solid, young energy line good for the odd offensive contribution. Stempniak and Moss are too inconsistent for secondary scoring, therefore I'd say we pass. I like both players when they switch it on, but we need consistent goals coming from the depth
Not like that line is full of proven point producers though. For the record, I am willing to part with Moss but I would miss him. As far as consistent production from the depth players, he would be at the top of the list of those you mentioned if he would stay healthy.

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Not like that line is full of proven point producers though. For the record, I am willing to part with Moss but I would miss him. As far as consistent production from the depth players, he would be at the top of the list of those you mentioned if he would stay healthy.
If he would stay healthy he would already have a contract (but I agree with you)

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I wouldn't mind this. It's tough trading a 22 year old but if it is for another young player with some upside, that is ok.

And I think Reinhart is going to pass Backlund on the depth charts in fairly short order anyway.
You have got to be kidding me when you say that. Reinhart, certainly moving up but right now Backlund is capable of playing in the NHL. Should we expect more of him? Absolutely. But to say that an unknown prospect with zero experience to pass a 22 year old guy still trying to find his stride in the NHL is just silly.

I'd still keep Backlund and hope that his development will progress instead of just plateauing. Still a better long term gamble than trying to sign Jokinen for only a couple years even though we know Jokinen can produce now.

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A couple of injuries to the top 6 and that is an AHL forward core. Risky to say the least.
The same could be said about alot of top 6's though. And that isn't necessarily a bad thing either IMO. This year due to injuries we had Moss and Kosto filling in the top 6 for extended periods which we all know how that turned out. I would rather we used guys from the Heat that have that top 6 upside to fill holes in case of injuries.

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I'd like to have Stoll but if that happens I think we need to move out Stajan for sure.

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You have got to be kidding me when you say that. Reinhart, certainly moving up but right now Backlund is capable of playing in the NHL. Should we expect more of him? Absolutely. But to say that an unknown prospect with zero experience to pass a 22 year old guy still trying to find his stride in the NHL is just silly.

I'd still keep Backlund and hope that his development will progress instead of just plateauing. Still a better long term gamble than trying to sign Jokinen for only a couple years even though we know Jokinen can produce now.
How is this hard to imagine? (I did not say that he HAS, I am saying that I think he will)

Backlund's progress has all but stagnated over the last 2 years (for multiple reasons, most of which are not his fault). However, until his production starts to rise - and so far it hasn't - he is plateau-ing.

Reinhart has looked really good playing for Abby (a large step up from junior). He has tremendous hockey sense and so far has been able to generate points at every level.

At no time did I say he had PASSED Backlund (obviously he has not as he isn't even on the team yet). However, he is comtinuing to progress at a very good pace and has excelled at every opportunity and at each new level.

To extrapolate that and suggest that he could well pass Backlund soon is not unreasonable. Obviously it is not a certainty by any stretch, but I thik it will happen and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens this year (I am predicting that Reinhart is the surprise make-the-team'er out of camp)

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How is this hard to imagine? (I did not say that he HAS, I am saying that I think he will)

Backlund's progress has all but stagnated over the last 2 years (for multiple reasons, most of which are not his fault). However, until his production starts to rise - and so far it hasn't - he is plateau-ing.

Reinhart has looked really good playing for Abby (a large step up from junior). He has tremendous hockey sense and so far has been able to generate points at every level.

At no time did I say he had PASSED Backlund (obviously he has not as he isn't even on the team yet). However, he is comtinuing to progress at a very good pace and has excelled at every opportunity and at each new level.

To extrapolate that and suggest that he could well pass Backlund soon is not unreasonable. Obviously it is not a certainty by any stretch, but I thik it will happen and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens this year (I am predicting that Reinhart is the surprise make-the-team'er out of camp)
Sorry if my wording came off as accusing you of having Reinhart>Backlund in the present moment, but I just had to disagree with Reinhart being better than Backlund in the future. It might be all moot considering how there's still a lot of questions with two young guys, but I'm just of the opinion that Backlund is still going to be the better player by nature of his NHL status.

Differing ideas at this point, but a great problem to have this debate about two promising guys on the Flames.

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Sorry if my wording came off as accusing you of having Reinhart>Backlund in the present moment, but I just had to disagree with Reinhart being better than Backlund in the future. It might be all moot considering how there's still a lot of questions with two young guys, but I'm just of the opinion that Backlund is still going to be the better player by nature of his NHL status.

Differing ideas at this point, but a great problem to have this debate about two promising guys on the Flames.
Fair Enough. I definitely haven't given up on Backlund. I really thought he was going to break out last year after being, IMO, the best player in camp. Maybe he can take the next step this year.

I really like Reinhart and think he's going to be a solid 2nd line C.

Let's hope we're both right!

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