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05-12-2012, 05:02 PM
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So, give or take in the last 15 years or so, why haven't we had consistency in our goaltending? Run and gun systems don't support goalies.
With the exception of Hextall, have looked at who our goaltenders were lol?

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More than likely his excuse is going to be that Bryz was alive and well during those 15 years .
It's really sad, I think. People are looking to blame individual personalities but fail to look at the big picture. Even if somehow they did manage to rid of Bryz's contract, that shouldn't change the fact that the system and the D needs a change. I said before, get in any goalie here, with this system they are bound to break down sooner or later.

Run and gun systems are not playoffs material. Regular season, go ahead, but when it comes down to the playoffs everyone knows that D is the biggest factor there is. We've been shown that against Pittsburgh. Both teams played a run and gun game, so it didn't really matter, but why did they struggle so much against the Devils? The Devils didn't have problems scoring, because our D was ****. But we struggled to score, despite this awesome offensive line up, it's because their D was pretty ****ing solid and well structured. It didn't matter that our D was **** against the Penguins, because there's was worse.

To sum it up, No D, No Cup.


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Spend the majority of the chunk of change on Suter or another top D.

For G get Nabby away from NY and let him and BOB fight for starter.
So he had a bad series against PIT, played very well against NJ (aside from puck handling)....and we should move him somwhere (completely ignoring his NMC) and go pick up a 40 year old who in his career was always catastrophically bad in the playoffs, to battle it out with our young Russian who....talk about inconsistent...can look like a Vezina candidate one game, and then let in 5+ goals the next 3 games?

You continue to make a fool out of yourself, so much worse than BP74 now, it's hilarious.

And why should we disregard the systems being different? We might as well stop regarding red lights and stop signs too, because they're all clear as day.

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So he had a bad series against PIT, played very well against NJ (aside from puck handling)....and we should move him somwhere (completely ignoring his NMC) and go pick up a 40 year old who in his career was always catastrophically bad in the playoffs, to battle it out with our young Russian who....talk about inconsistent...can look like a Vezina candidate one game, and then let in 5+ goals the next 3 games?

You continue to make a fool out of yourself, so much worse than BP74 now, it's hilarious.

And why should we disregard the systems being different? We might as well stop regarding red lights and stop signs too, because they're all clear as day.
Lol who would expect me to say? Nabby is the best of the cheaper goalies that we could get.

Okay. Lets go get King Henrik.

Yeah. Lets keep the guy who had one great month the entire season, just for the fact he wasn't the worst player on the ice in a 5 game series.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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Lol who would expect me to say? Nabby is the best of the cheaper goalies that we could get.

Okay. Lets go get King Henrik.

Yeah. Lets keep the guy who had one great month the entire season, just for the fact he wasn't the worst player on the ice in a 5 game series.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Look at his stats post-all star break.

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I'll post it again for anyone who says Bryzgalov was only good for the month of March. These are Bryzgalov's stats since the Winter Classic:

18-8-4, .948 Save Percentage. The only thing I wasn't able to find was the GAA, but you get the picture. Those look like pretty excellent numbers if you ask me.

EDIT: Found the GAA. For that stretch, Bryzgalov's GAA was 2.06

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Look at his stats post-all star break.

Edit, Quoted from another thread.
With the exception of March, consistently inconsistent and mediocre.

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With the exception of March, consistently inconsistent and mediocre.
Those numbers don't look that of an inconsistent goalie

So, out of curiosity, If next season Bryz was an absolute complete beast even in the playoffs, what would you say then?

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So, out of curiosity, If next season Bryz was an absolute complete beast even in the playoffs, what would you say then?
he wont be , so dont hold your breathe...

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Interesting.

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Interesting.
Thats funny coming from the typical internet number & statistics guru...
I'm willing to bet that if Homer could find a way to get rid of this clown inbetween the pipes, the MAJORITY (remember that little word from a few hrs back ?)of the fans in the city of Philadelphia would being doing back flips down Broad and Pattison ... book it ..
but but..but I'm the only one who posts on this comic book message forum that doesnt want him traded or sent packing remember?...lmao

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Bryz deserves another year, completely ignoring the fact we can't get rid of him anyway, he found his game in march, got injured and was so-so in the playoffs. If he repeats the same year next year(meaning the inconsistency in the beginning of the season), then we get concerned. March bryz gave me hope he can succeed here with solid defense(not even great defense just solid). He was probably the 2nd best player in the jersey series even with the horrible goal in game 5. With the defense we had, i don't care if Quick was our goalie, we weren't winning.

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Those numbers don't look that of an inconsistent goalie

So, out of curiosity, If next season Bryz was an absolute complete beast even in the playoffs, what would you say then?
In the event of such fairy tale endings I would man up and admit I was wrong. Duh.

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Bryz isnt the Flyers only problem, but he's the biggest problem as of today... can he improve next year?? he'll have to , he has no choice. You can tell management is just as annoyed at him as most of the fans are .... They also need some size up front , some grit up front, more nastiness then just Zac Rinaldo .. plus obviously , they need 3 more Solid D-men .

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Thats funny coming from the typical internet number & statistics guru...
I'm willing to bet that if Homer could find a way to get rid of this clown inbetween the pipes, the MAJORITY (remember that little word from a few hrs back ?)of the fans in the city of Philadelphia would being doing back flips down Broad and Pattison ... book it ..
but but..but I'm the only one who posts on this comic book message forum that doesnt want him traded or sent packing remember?...lmao
Cool story bro, you should tell it at parties.


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Thirded.

This makes it all crystal clear:



Tampa had 16 shots.
/sigh only 8 more years of bryz-aster low-lites..

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But I'm sure none of this will sink in right? I'll be sure to keep a track on this thread and bring these comments back up next season when he is completely kicking ass.
or sucking wind ala this season..

which is more likely to be the case.. but alas i suppose we have no choice but to see what happens. as Bryz is virtualy unmovable at this point.


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Cool story bro, you should tell it at parties.

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Cool story bro, you should tell it at parties.

Holmgren needs to be the wizard in that. or maybe Laviolette.

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Holmgren needs to be the wizard in that. or maybe Laviolette.

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Lol who would expect me to say? Nabby is the best of the cheaper goalies that we could get.

Okay. Lets go get King Henrik.

Yeah. Lets keep the guy who had one great month the entire season, just for the fact he wasn't the worst player on the ice in a 5 game series.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Well you've apparently got all the answers, so think one out that would be a logical improvement on Bryz. Nabby would be an improvement in terms of a contract, but then so would anybody. In terms of performance? Not many better than Bryz in the regular season and playoffs (you'd be surprised how much I just cringed typing that sentence). But seriously...Nabby, terrible playoff record, 40 years old. Marty, can't see him coming to Philly after 1,000 years with a rival...also 40. Luongo? HAH...and you think Bryz gets hammered by the fans...Vokoun? he'll be hurt by November, and he's also older.

As for Bryz being "inconsistent" since the all-star break...no less inconsistent than ANY (inc Hank, Quick, Rinne, TT, etc) goalie in the league during that stretch. I mapped the stats of 3+ gaa games for you on another page for all of them.

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As for Bryz being "inconsistent" since the all-star break...no less inconsistent than ANY (inc Hank, Quick, Rinne, TT, etc) goalie in the league during that stretch.

Jan / April:

.912 [8]
.910 [10]
.947 [13]
.880 [2 games played]

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I thought it would be fun to revisit the "blocked shots=good defense=good goalie results" myth.

The Flyers were in the top 10 (at 10th) for blocked shots in the regular season. They blocked <1 shot less than New York per game. Let's look at some teams who are known for their defensive play, and see how the number of blocked shots relates to goals against:

Flyers: 609 blocks, 2.74 GA

New Jersey: 606, 2.50
Boston: 585, 2.43
Nashville: 656, 2.50
St Louis: 566, 1.89
NYR: 672, 2.22
Phoenix: 527, 2.37
LA: 534, 2.07


So, only two of these defensive teams blocked more shots than the Flyers and had a lower GAA. The rest blocked less shots, yet still managed to have less goals scored on them per game. So...the argument that Bryz would have been better if the defense had blocked more shots doesn't hold up. He had pretty good shot blocking in front of him, and it didn't make a difference. He had better shot blocking than some of the best goalies (and many mediocre ones) this season, and performed below them. Glancing back and forth across the stats, it appears as though there are many teams who aren't renowned for defense...who didn't block as many shots...and still got better goaltending. So the notion that Bryz would do better if more shots were blocked doesn't exactly stand up.

On top of that, it doesn't exactly make Bryz seem very good if the excuse is "well...he'd be great if he didn't face shots!"

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I thought it would be fun to revisit the "blocked shots=good defense=good goalie results" myth.

The Flyers were in the top 10 (at 10th) for blocked shots in the regular season. They blocked <1 shot less than New York per game. Let's look at some teams who are known for their defensive play, and see how the number of blocked shots relates to goals against:

Flyers: 609 blocks, 2.74 GA

New Jersey: 606, 2.50
Boston: 585, 2.43
Nashville: 656, 2.50
St Louis: 566, 1.89
NYR: 672, 2.22
Phoenix: 527, 2.37
LA: 534, 2.07


So, only two of these defensive teams blocked more shots than the Flyers and had a lower GAA. The rest blocked less shots, yet still managed to have less goals scored on them per game. So...the argument that Bryz would have been better if the defense had blocked more shots doesn't hold up. He had pretty good shot blocking in front of him, and it didn't make a difference. He had better shot blocking than some of the best goalies (and many mediocre ones) this season, and performed below them. Glancing back and forth across the stats, it appears as though there are many teams who aren't renowned for defense...who didn't block as many shots...and still got better goaltending. So the notion that Bryz would do better if more shots were blocked doesn't exactly stand up.

On top of that, it doesn't exactly make Bryz seem very good if the excuse is "well...he'd be great if he didn't face shots!"
I didn't know there was a big "myth" to dispel. bryzgalov struggled at points in the season but you can block shots and still suck without the puck. if you really want to go find a stat, find out how many turnovers happened in the slot this year.

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Flyers are middle of the pack for turnovers. Turnovers happen to every team.

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