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05-06-2012, 06:41 PM
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You don't get it, I understand our centres suck. That doesn't change the fact that Stajan is likely our 1st line centre right now unless Cervenka shows better chemistry with the other two.

Maybe Cammy will play C, but I like him on the wing more. Backlund has not shown top 6 ability at this point in time.
Stajan is just NOT a better option for first line minutes then Cammy, Cervenka or even Backlund. Stajan, unless we get demolished by injuries, should not see more then 3rd line minutes.

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05-06-2012, 06:51 PM
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Stajan is just NOT a better option for first line minutes then Cammy, Cervenka or even Backlund. Stajan, unless we get demolished by injuries, should not see more then 3rd line minutes.
Why he is as good defensively or better and is better at faceoffs than all 3. He should be considered because we have no clear number 1 center, Iggy isn't as good defensively as he use to be so Stajan could help with that regard and in order to score we need the puck to be on Iggy's or Tangs stick and Stajan is the most effective at faceoffs giving us the puck the most.

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05-06-2012, 07:20 PM
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That doesn't change the fact that Stajan is likely our 1st line centre right now
2009-10 GP 27 G 3 A 13 PTS 16
2010-11 GP 76 G 6 A 25 PTS 31
2011-12 GP 61 G 8 A 10 PTS 18

Career: GP 609 G 104 A 184 PTS 288

Only in Calgary are these considered to be "1st line centre" numbers.

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05-06-2012, 07:24 PM
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Just stop he clearly doesn't agree with our opinion and feels it is easier to insult than have a real argument.
When it's a stupid opinion, clearly I will not agree with it.

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05-06-2012, 08:52 PM
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2009-10 GP 27 G 3 A 13 PTS 16
2010-11 GP 76 G 6 A 25 PTS 31
2011-12 GP 61 G 8 A 10 PTS 18

Career: GP 609 G 104 A 184 PTS 288

Only in Calgary are these considered to be "1st line centre" numbers.
Did anyone say he was a first line c? Please, show me who. They said he is at this point one of the better options we have. He played great down the stretch, and has shown chemistry with Iggy and tangs. Grow up and look at the big picture. We dont have a #1 C, we have to deal and put whos best suited there. At this point in time, Stajan is more proven than Cervenka, Backlund, and the center version of Cammy. If Cammy stays a C and progresses than great.

Stajan played pretty damn good in his first stretch with Iggy, until getting his brains scrambled by Staal, losing confidence, and finding himself in Sutters dog house. When given the chance this year, he excelled. Seemed to be a real evolutionary year for him.

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05-06-2012, 09:41 PM
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Can any one give one rational reason why Suter would sign here for $5M?

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05-06-2012, 10:02 PM
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PIT: Iginla and a 4th
CGY: Jordan Staal, Simon Despres, Eric Tangradi.

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Alex Tanguay - Jordan Staal - Sven Baertchi
Mike Cammalleri - Roman Cervenka - Eric Tangradi
Curtis Glencross - Mikael Backlund - Greg Nemisz
Roman Horak - Matt Stajan - Tim Jackman

Jay Bouwmeester -Chris Butler
Mark Giordano - Simon Despres
Derek Smith - TJ Brodie

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young and exciting... thats how babies are made folks

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2009-10 GP 27 G 3 A 13 PTS 16
2010-11 GP 76 G 6 A 25 PTS 31
2011-12 GP 61 G 8 A 10 PTS 18

Career: GP 609 G 104 A 184 PTS 288

Only in Calgary are these considered to be "1st line centre" numbers.
You are so ****ed in between the ears. I already said he is not a 1st line centre. Forget it man, you are so lost.

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Can any one give one rational reason why Suter would sign here for $5M?
29 other teams will be offering 7 million or more.

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05-06-2012, 10:35 PM
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Did anyone say he was a first line c? Please, show me who. They said he is at this point one of the better options we have. He played great down the stretch, and has shown chemistry with Iggy and tangs. Grow up and look at the big picture. We dont have a #1 C, we have to deal and put whos best suited there. At this point in time, Stajan is more proven than Cervenka, Backlund, and the center version of Cammy. If Cammy stays a C and progresses than great.

Stajan played pretty damn good in his first stretch with Iggy, until getting his brains scrambled by Staal, losing confidence, and finding himself in Sutters dog house. When given the chance this year, he excelled. Seemed to be a real evolutionary year for him.
Yeah, 18 points. Real 'evolutionary' year for him.

If you think a career 3rd liner is who we're going to use as our #1 C, we're in big ****ing trouble my friend.

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Yeah, 18 points. Real 'evolutionary' year for him.

If you think a career 3rd liner is who we're going to use as our #1 C, then we're in big ****ing trouble my friend.
Stajan has good chemistry with Tanguay and Iginla. A line of Tanguay-Stajan-Iginla would work well together. Stajan is a decent player. Not every team has a number one center. Just because Stajan isn't the most skilled player doesn't make him terrible. There isn't much to fix the problem anyway. As long as he can play defense, pass, and shoot, I'm cool. Points don't tell the whole story, i.e. Mike Richards.

I can't wait to see you quote this and say I'm comparing Stajan to Richards.

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Stajan has good chemistry with Tanguay and Iginla. A line of Tanguay-Stajan-Iginla would work well together. Stajan is a decent player. Not every team has a number one center. Just because Stajan isn't the most skilled player doesn't make him terrible. There isn't much to fix the problem anyway. As long as he can play defense, pass, and shoot, I'm cool. Points don't tell the whole story, i.e. Mike Richards.

I can't wait to see you quote this and say I'm comparing Stajan to Richards.
I can't believe you just compared Stajan to Richards.

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PIT: Iginla and a 4th
CGY: Jordan Staal, Simon Despres, Eric Tangradi.

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Alex Tanguay - Jordan Staal - Sven Baertchi
Mike Cammalleri - Roman Cervenka - Eric Tangradi
Curtis Glencross - Mikael Backlund - Greg Nemisz
Roman Horak - Matt Stajan - Tim Jackman

Jay Bouwmeester -Chris Butler
Mark Giordano - Simon Despres
Derek Smith - TJ Brodie

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young and exciting... thats how babies are made folks
Id do that but I'm not sure Pittsburgh would. They value Stall a lot

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I can't believe you just compared Stajan to Richards.
Well played.

I underestimated you.

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I'd go for a Iginla-Staal trade.
Stajan on the 1st line.....NOOOOOOOOOOOO
Horak, I wouldnt mind seeing him in the minors and replaced with Jordan Tootoo who is a UFA, he has been benched during the cup run so I doubt he resigns with Nashville. I wouldn't mind signing Ollie only to trade him away at the trade deadline for someones 1st lol...

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Glennie will NOT go 3rd line. I think it'd be a good idea to give Baertschi time to adjust and the 3rd line would be good for that with some other rookie types. Besides, he still needs to grow and will probably end up in the AHL for a year.
No. No. NO! Putting Baertschi on the 3rd line to play with a couple of mediocre grinder or matt stajans is a bad idea. He's bred to play top 6, and you throw him right into the top six. You don't "adjust" him by playing with our checking energy who's gonna have no chance of finishing his passes or feeding him quality passes. Good way to destroy his confidence.

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Yeah, 18 points. Real 'evolutionary' year for him.

If you think a career 3rd liner is who we're going to use as our #1 C, we're in big ****ing trouble my friend.
Yes career 3rd liner. You realize he scored 55 pts just a couple seasons ago? His first stretch with Iggy he was putting up nearly a ppg. Until he got rocked and put in the dog house. Did you even watch him play this year? Or are you just dense.

Fyi he put up 10 of his 18 points in the last month. When he was actually given a chance, while playing physical, good defensively and laying it all out every shift. Oh and even after his last two terrible seasons hes managed to be almost a .5 ppg player, definitely career third liner.


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definitely career third liner.
Finally we can agree on something.

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Stajan on the 1st line.....NOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Finally we can agree on something.



LOL
Lol children, I get it. Run along. Not worth my time

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Don't forget that Ryan Howse has a problem with taking fitness and nutrition seriously enough, which is why he was an early cut from training camp. I don't know if/when he got the message, because most of the time this season he hasn't shown much on the ice at all. It makes you wonder how good of a player he really is without Roman Horak.

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Don't forget that Ryan Howse has a problem with taking fitness and nutrition seriously enough, which is why he was an early cut from training camp. I don't know if/when he got the message, because most of the time this season he hasn't shown much on the ice at all. It makes you wonder how good of a player he really is without Roman Horak.
This. That's why i said in one of these threads, maybe the top 3 prospects one that Howse had to learn to be a pro.

He was seriously out of shape coming into the pro game. Can't subsist on cheesburgers and pizza...

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Don't forget that Ryan Howse has a problem with taking fitness and nutrition seriously enough, which is why he was an early cut from training camp. I don't know if/when he got the message, because most of the time this season he hasn't shown much on the ice at all. It makes you wonder how good of a player he really is without Roman Horak.
Listening, Watching, and following the Heat alot, I can say Howse has no doubt got the message. All the staff in the orginization has raved about how he has changed his whole lifestyle around.

And it shows, after he was held out of games and road-trips for over a month to keep him on a strict workout routine. Soon after he scored his first goal, and started working his way all the way to the #1 PP until his injuries.

He has not lost his skill. He is proprobly one of the top 3-4 skill players on the Heat. Its all mental and fitness for him.

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Listening, Watching, and following the Heat alot, I can say Howse has no doubt got the message. All the staff in the orginization has raved about how he has changed his whole lifestyle around.

And it shows, after he was held out of games and road-trips for over a month to keep him on a strict workout routine. Soon after he scored his first goal, and started working his way all the way to the #1 PP until his injuries.

He has not lost his skill. He is proprobly one of the top 3-4 skill players on the Heat. Its all mental and fitness for him.
That's great to hear. I myself have only been to a handful of games this season, most of which he was rather unremarkable.

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