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05-06-2012, 12:00 PM
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It Ought to Be Obvious to Everyone By Now That the Rangers Are Not Winning the Cup

In 1994 in the first two rounds the Rangers were world beaters. They won 8 of 9 games and most of the games weren't close. This team has played 11 games and only one of them was what you might call easy. Yes, this is the same way they won during the season but after 100 games you wear down and can't do this in the playoffs. The Rangers haven't and don't have enough scoring and that's it.

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The only team that's really running through the playoffs is the Kings. Everyone else has played a lot of games too. This thread is stupid.

The sky is not falling.

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and the bruins had to win three game 7s to win the cup last year. who gives a F about '94

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I thought it was obvious that the Giants weren't winning the Superbowl either.

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That's funny, because the last several stanley cup winners all faced long series early on.

The Bruins had to win 3, count em, 3 game 7s last playoffs.

Just because a Rangers team that won 18 years ago did something a certain way does not mean that every NYR team now and forever has to do it the same way.

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NHL in 1994 is different then the NHL in 2012

salary cap / parity

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It's the elephant in the room that a lot of Rangers fans, especially the rabid ones here, don't want to talk about. You're going to get flamed for this thread Atoz, but I agree with you...this team isn't winning the Cup. An offense that scores 2 or fewer goals in 8 out of 11 playoff games isn't going to cut it. I will disagree though that Game 7s will have anything to do with it, if anything they make this team more resilient.

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What a fail thread. Apparently you weren't watching the playoffs last year when the bruins won and had to get through all those seven game series.

Never seen such an overreaction to a series that just got tied 2-2.

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It's the elephant in the room that a lot of Rangers fans, especially the rabid ones here, don't want to talk about. You're going to get flamed for this thread Atoz, but I agree with you...this team isn't winning the Cup. An offense that scores 2 or fewer goals in 8 out of 11 playoff games isn't going to cut it.

Thanks. That's why it's obvious to me. I don't know about only the "rabid" fans not agreeing. I think it's probably going to be the younger fans. I've been watching the playoffs for 45 years and I can't see this team winning. And going into the playoffs i didn't expect them to win. I'm hoping that this year sets up for then to win in the next 2 or 3 years.

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What a fail thread. Apparently you weren't watching the playoffs last year when the bruins won and had to get through all those seven game series.

Never seen such an overreaction to a series that just got tied 2-2.
I was actually going to start this thread after the triple overtime game even though they won.

But that would be.... "fail".

That's exactly what I mean above about the younger guys who don't know hockey or apparently English.

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And if they do?

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What a fail thread. Apparently you weren't watching the playoffs last year when the bruins won and had to get through all those seven game series.

Never seen such an overreaction to a series that just got tied 2-2.
The Bruins had offensive outbursts that helped them win games. They scored 4+ goals many times in the playoffs last year. They also demolished the 2nd seed Flyers in 4 games. I have yet to see that level of dominance from this Rangers squad this year.

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You can point to any particular team any year and give a million historical reasons why they won't win the cup. If they were all true, no one would win every year.

To the OP I would pose this consideration... If the Rangers win this series, and i'd say they have a 50-50 shot at it right now, and the remaining teams to get through are the Devils, and the Coyotes... do you think we have no chance of winning the cup? because in that scenario i'd give us at least a 1 in 5 shot.

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Brilliant Mr Half Empty, brilliant

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Hope you don't plan on watching any of the games the rest of the way. Since you know the results you don't need to watch the build up for it.

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You can point to any particular team any year and give a million historical reasons why they won't win the cup. If they were all true, no one would win every year.

To the OP I would pose this consideration... If the Rangers win this series, and i'd say they have a 50-50 shot at it right now, and the remaining teams to get through are the Devils, and the Coyotes... do you think we have no chance of winning the cup? because in that scenario i'd give us at least a 1 in 5 shot.
I really like our chances if that scenario is presented before us.

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this thread is as premature and off base as a thread claiming we're going to win the cup.

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Some playoff stats from recent cup winning teams:

10-11 Bruins: 3.24 G/G
09-10 'Hawks: 3.54 G/G
08-09 Pens: 3.29 G/G
07-08 Wings: 3.27 G/G
06-07 Ducks: 2.76 G/G
05-06 'Canes: 2.92 G/G

The Rangers so far in the playoffs: 2.09 G/G, the lowest out of all the teams remaining.

I'm not saying we AREN'T winning the cup, I'm just trying to put things into perspective with these stats. Anything can happen, every year is different, but generally the cup winning teams averaged 3+ G/G and not 2 G/G.

And as a side note: Torts' 03-04 Lightning averaged 2.56 G/G.

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I've been saying all year the lack of offense will cost them.

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shut up... i hope they win 10 - 0 tomorrow so i can read all the " CUP IS OURS " thread. what they did in 1994 or any other year has nothing to do with today. all that 94 is a memory. u people are mental!

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At the end of the day, it is about how many games you win, not about how many goals you score.

You can say we are more or less likely,, but you can't point to any factor other than us losing 4 games in a series and say that we "can't" win the cup a certain way.

Around the NHL the book is that the Flyers can't win allowing as many goals as they do. I think its bunk. You win or you lose the games. Doesn't matter how.

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As much as it's cute and sometimes interesting to parallel everything to 1994, the specifics of what happened then have absolutely no bearing on what happens now. None. If this team loses, it'll likely because there wasn't enough offense, not because of any similarities to a post season that happened almost 20 years ago.

At this point saying they aren't going to win for sure is just as silly as saying they will. It's your opinion - not a fact. It's not something that "ought to be obvious to everyone." Arrogance city.

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In 1994 in the first two rounds the Rangers were world beaters. They won 8 of 9 games and most of the games weren't close. This team has played 11 games and only one of them was what you might call easy. Yes, this is the same way they won during the season but after 100 games you wear down and can't do this in the playoffs. The Rangers haven't and don't have enough scoring and that's it.
This comparison to 94 **** is really getting old. It was 18 years ago. Things are different now. Let it go.

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Some playoff stats from recent cup winning teams:

10-11 Bruins: 3.24 G/G
09-10 'Hawks: 3.54 G/G
08-09 Pens: 3.29 G/G
07-08 Wings: 3.27 G/G
06-07 Ducks: 2.76 G/G
05-06 'Canes: 2.92 G/G

The Rangers so far in the playoffs: 2.09 G/G, the lowest out of all the teams remaining.

I'm not saying we AREN'T winning the cup, I'm just trying to put things into perspective with these stats. Anything can happen, every year is different, but generally the cup winning teams averaged 3+ G/G and not 2 G/G.

And as a side note: Torts' 03-04 Lightning averaged 2.56 G/G.
Thanks for bringing the stats in. That is a huge gap (b/w 2.09 and 2.76) actually. I want this team to win the cup so bad (punched a hole in my wall after Green scored that PP goal), but I just don't see it happening. Our bottom six is devoid of skill, our D-men have no accuracy from the point, our PP is atrocious, and the system is just too defensive (3 forwards cycling behind the net). Can they win the Cup? Of course they can, but their offense is going to have to improve.

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What a fail thread. Apparently you weren't watching the playoffs last year when the bruins won and had to get through all those seven game series.

Never seen such an overreaction to a series that just got tied 2-2.
The Bruins completely obliterated the Flyers in Round 2 and looked every bit as a SC Champ in that series.

The OP is right -- the Rangers have not had a complete 60-min effort this postseason. Game 1 of the Sens series is the closest they came.

I still think they can win the Cup. They will just be the ugliest and least skilled to do so, probably in NHL history.

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