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01-03-2013, 11:52 AM
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Okay I'm sorry, you're right Subban should've been able to act like a HHOF goalie and stay calm during the chinese fire drill that was going on in front of him...
????


Are you saying he wasnt part of the problem?

I dont get people who blame the tender automatically. I also dont get people who defend the tender at all costs.

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01-03-2013, 11:54 AM
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I really hope Canada is too stupid to realize that Smith is by far their best goalie and start Price, Ward or Luongo

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01-03-2013, 11:56 AM
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Malcolm Subban is a very good goalie but because he is PK's brother the media built him up over the past couple years to be bigger than life and that makes him an easy target to attack.

If we want to cast stones then it should be at the Canadian media types who hyped us into believing that Canada's s**t doesn't stink and now fat butt Bobby Mac and Little Nicky will spend the next month telling us how bad the Canadian Jr team was.

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What?
He's so much better than your next best goalie its not even funny. I hope no Canadians agree

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01-03-2013, 12:25 PM
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????


Are you saying he wasnt part of the problem?

I dont get people who blame the tender automatically. I also dont get people who defend the tender at all costs.
All I'm saying was outside of having HHOF nerves of steel no goalie at that age was going to be able to deal with the defensive meltdown that happened during that goal.

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01-03-2013, 12:44 PM
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He's so much better than your next best goalie its not even funny. I hope no Canadians agree
Good gravy....

Mike Smith, he of one solid season in a system that made Ilya Bryzgalov look like Tretiak?

Might as well start Brian Elliott by that logic....

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01-03-2013, 12:45 PM
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How in the world can anyone blame Subban today? He had absolutely no shot on the first 3 as he was screened on all of them.

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01-03-2013, 12:51 PM
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Everyone needs to stop riding Subban. For ****s sakes it was everyones fault, he didn't play well at all and neither did the team infrong of him.

Every game he plays marginal in people don't blame him for anything. He's not that great and just cause he's PKs brother doesn't mean he deserves to get slack.

IMO Binnington should've been the goalie from the start, Spott was a horrible coach all tournament. Yes Subban played great against the US and Russians in the round robin but he's too risky IMO. He's very incosistent.
Exactly right... Subban is fine and he's going to be a great goalie. I actually like a lot of what Spott did too even though he has his warts. I don't blame him either.

IMO its more about hockey Canada putting together a bunch of softies on D. Harrington was their best defender and is great defensively but I think they went with to much skill on D and not enough bangers. Canada didn't have that good mix. That Canadian defense just couldn't stand up to the US on the end boards or at the blue line.

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Good gravy....

Mike Smith, he of one solid season in a system that made Ilya Bryzgalov look like Tretiak?

Might as well start Brian Elliott by that logic....
Carey Price is better than Mike Smith.

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01-03-2013, 02:01 PM
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This isn't on Subban, we should of lost 5-1 in the first game aswell...

Can't fault him, there was no pride, no heart... Coaching was poor.. Just a disgrace.

Kudos to USA.

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01-03-2013, 02:10 PM
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Good gravy....

Mike Smith, he of one solid season in a system that made Ilya Bryzgalov look like Tretiak?

Might as well start Brian Elliott by that logic....
Mike Smith had a much better season than Bryzgalov EVER had in Phoenix.

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01-03-2013, 04:01 PM
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Many of you are totally missing the point of this thread. This is to discuss Canadian goaltending AS A WHOLE, not just the results of the game today. And for the record, I don't put the loss today completely on Subban, that's ridiculous. Bobby Mac put it best, this was a collective failure from top to bottom. It starts with Steve Spott and his staff, followed by every player on the team. Subban wasn't the reason we lost, but he was just as much at fault as anyone else on the team. He played just as terrible as everyone else did on this day and has rightfully earned himself a spot on Canada's mediocre WJC goalies list that includes:

- Jake Allen
- Mark Visentin
- Olivier Roy
- Scott Wedgewood

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01-03-2013, 04:04 PM
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Mike Smith had a much better season than Bryzgalov EVER had in Phoenix.
One good season in front of a trap team doesn't make a good goalie. Historically, Mike Smith is still back-up material.

Besides Mike Smith had one great season in Phoenix, Brzygalov had three. Consistency far outweighs a statistical anomaly.

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01-03-2013, 04:07 PM
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Many of you are totally missing the point of this thread. This is to discuss Canadian goaltending AS A WHOLE, not just the results of the game today. And for the record, I don't put the loss today completely on Subban, that's ridiculous. Bobby Mac put it best, this was a collective failure from top to bottom. It starts with Steve Spott and his staff, followed by every player on the team. Subban wasn't the reason we lost, but he was just as much at fault as anyone else on the team. He played just as terrible as everyone else did on this day and has rightfully earned himself a spot on Canada's mediocre WJC goalies list that includes:

- Jake Allen
- Mark Visentin
- Olivier Roy
- Scott Wedgewood
I hope for the next 2 years we are ok with fucale and Comrie. But after that I'm note sure. Team Quebec beat a stacked team Ontario at the u17. This doesn't mean that team Ontario sucks. Team Quebec's goalie stood on his head. We need goalies like this. I'm hoping both Comfie and fucale can lead the way in the next 2 years.

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One good season in front of a trap team doesn't make a good goalie. Historically, Mike Smith is still back-up material.

Besides Mike Smith had one great season in Phoenix, Brzygalov had three. Consistency far outweighs a statistical anomaly.
I only see one Canadian goalie with great leteral moves and that is price. You need to understand that montreals defence is like Swiss cheese which is great for prices development. Imagine how good he would be with a great defense.

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01-03-2013, 04:13 PM
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One good season in front of a trap team doesn't make a good goalie. Historically, Mike Smith is still back-up material.

Besides Mike Smith had one great season in Phoenix, Brzygalov had three. Consistency far outweighs a statistical anomaly.
Oh don't forget the backup goalie for Los angles

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01-03-2013, 04:17 PM
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Oh don't forget the backup goalie for Los angles
The guy who's only played 41 NHL career games? Jonathan Bernier has plenty of potential, no one will argue that, but he'll never get a chance to reach that potential if he only gets to play 15 games a season behind Quick.

The Olympics goalie lineup for Team Canada will almost certainly be Price, Luongo and Ward.

Quite frankly, I'm absolutely terrified of the goaltending that the US will come to bear at Sochi. They have to choose between Miller, Quick, Howard and Schneider, all of them fully capable to compete for the starting job.

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Here's the problem with Subban's goaltending..

He is -too- invested in the butterfly style right now. Watch the replays of the goals, most of his saves, he always seems to go into the butterfly first, then attempts to read the shot, and select the proper save execution after going down in the butterfly.

This is particularly evident on the Vesey goal. Instead of going into a half-butterfly blocker save.. He pops into the butterfly then does his far-side leg and arm extension. This requires two movements instead of one. Costing Subban the second he needs to get out on top of the puck and save it.

He needs to trust his reflexes and athleticism more. No need to be so technical on every shot.

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01-03-2013, 04:55 PM
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Good thing I was right about Subban. Man, he was awful ALL tournament long. He has NO clue on higher shots.

Athletic, yes! .... everything else needs work. Falls to his butterfly WAY to often instead of reading it first. Doesn't have
great ability to even track the puck once its moving. Often puts himself out of position after the first save. He's to raw.

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01-03-2013, 04:57 PM
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One good season in front of a trap team doesn't make a good goalie. Historically, Mike Smith is still back-up material.

Besides Mike Smith had one great season in Phoenix, Brzygalov had three. Consistency far outweighs a statistical anomaly.
Smith has 1 GREAT season, Bryzgalov has 0 great season and a few good/very good seasons.

Smith was also very good as a rookie in Dallas

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Smith has 1 GREAT season, Bryzgalov has 0 great season and a few good/very good seasons.

Smith was also very good as a rookie in Dallas
Brian Elliot had an unbelievable season and no one's saying he should be starting for Team Canada at Sochi.

Good consistent goaltending is always always better than one hit wonders. As far as Mike Smith is concerned, he's a one hit wonder until he can prove otherwise. He's already 30 too, he's at the plateau of his career, he could potentially improve, but he's not a prospect anymore. He's an aging goaltender who played a very good season in front of a team known for inflating goaltending stats.

Those are the facts.

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01-03-2013, 05:28 PM
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Brian Elliot had an unbelievable season and no one's saying he should be starting for Team Canada at Sochi.

Good consistent goaltending is always always better than one hit wonders. As far as Mike Smith is concerned, he's a one hit wonder until he can prove otherwise. He's already 30 too, he's at the plateau of his career, he could potentially improve, but he's not a prospect anymore. He's an aging goaltender who played a very good season in front of a team known for inflating goaltending stats.

Those are the facts.
The fact that players like Brian Elliot and hell, even Brayden Holtby are even in the conversation to be between the pipes in Sochi shows what a mess our goaltending situation is.

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Good thing I was right about Subban. Man, he was awful ALL tournament long. He has NO clue on higher shots.

Athletic, yes! .... everything else needs work. Falls to his butterfly WAY to often instead of reading it first. Doesn't have
great ability to even track the puck once its moving. Often puts himself out of position after the first save. He's to raw.
He's only been between the pipes for 6 years now.

While the butterfly is a standard first reaction for most golatenders, Malcom's notion to go into a tight blocking butterfly instead of a little looser, half butterfly is what is keeping him from really being able to react to alot of the shots.

Could be nerves, training, both.

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Subban has been decent most of the tournament and, aside from the most recent game, good when he needed to be. He definitely had some great saves throughout the tournament.

Today, the first two it's hard to criticize him for as he was heavily screened. The third goal he was a little of his angle and a little deep in the net. The fourth he was beat under the arm while playing the shot short side, if he comes out a little more that shot is likely goes from goal to save. These are things that are fairly easily addressed by a goaltending coach and more experience. Subban is still a very good goaltender.

He played decent when Canada needed a stonewall.

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01-03-2013, 07:25 PM
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The fact that players like Brian Elliot and hell, even Brayden Holtby are even in the conversation to be between the pipes in Sochi shows what a mess our goaltending situation is.
Or maybe people just want goalies who are coming off great seasons

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