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05-25-2012, 02:31 PM
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Is Markov still a player of (classic) Markov's quality? Given his age and recent history, I think that's still in doubt.

I agree that the Habs would have had a better shot at saving the season had they not made panicky moves. But there's also an argument to be made that Markov's signing and absence from the ice contributed to these moves. Had the Habs signed a stay at home defenceman and a PP specialist (say, Bergeron) with that cap space, maybe the PP is a little more successful at the beginning of the season, Pearn and then Martin don't get fired, the Kaberle trade doesn't happen, the Habs are still close enough at the deadline that Kostitsyn doesn't get traded. It's speculation, but I think it's reasonable speculation.
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Markov was/is risky, but it's just not a guy you let go. It really doesn't matter how risky or how long he hasnt played. What we knew is that he was recuperating well enough and he was expected to play.
His cap hit only represents 8% of the cap. That is a risk well worth taking (not to mention the fact that percentage will likely drop over the years).
If we were back in the first year post lockout, with a 39M cap hit, then we might have needed to really think long and hard, but that wasn't the case.

The problem wasn't re-signing Markov. It was not bringing in proper support.
Instead of bringing Gill back and signing Campoli, you bring in better players. Could have also tried to move Spacek to create more cap space.

Bottom line is Markov was not a bad signing. It's one that I would do over and over again.

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05-25-2012, 02:43 PM
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Markov was/is risky, but it's just not a guy you let go. It really doesn't matter how risky or how long he hasnt played. What we knew is that he was recuperating well enough and he was expected to play.
His cap hit only represents 8% of the cap. That is a risk well worth taking (not to mention the fact that percentage will likely drop over the years).
If we were back in the first year post lockout, with a 39M cap hit, then we might have needed to really think long and hard, but that wasn't the case.

The problem wasn't re-signing Markov. It was not bringing in proper support.
Instead of bringing Gill back and signing Campoli, you bring in better players. Could have also tried to move Spacek to create more cap space.

Bottom line is Markov was not a bad signing. It's one that I would do over and over again.
"What we knew is that he was recuperating well enough and he was expected to play."

We have different standards, as far as "recuperating well enough." Markov was still in the midst of rehab when he signed the contract in June. IMO a player into his thirties, still in rehab after a second consecutive major surgery is a risky signing.

"The problem wasn't re-signing Markov. It was not bringing in proper support."

But you have to see how these are related, right? 8% of the cap might not seem like a lot to you, but a team can bring in solid (healthy) veteran for that money.

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05-25-2012, 02:48 PM
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Markov was/is risky, but it's just not a guy you let go. It really doesn't matter how risky or how long he hasnt played. What we knew is that he was recuperating well enough and he was expected to play.
His cap hit only represents 8% of the cap. That is a risk well worth taking (not to mention the fact that percentage will likely drop over the years).
If we were back in the first year post lockout, with a 39M cap hit, then we might have needed to really think long and hard, but that wasn't the case.

The problem wasn't re-signing Markov. It was not bringing in proper support.
Instead of bringing Gill back and signing Campoli, you bring in better players. Could have also tried to move Spacek to create more cap space.

Bottom line is Markov was not a bad signing. It's one that I would do over and over again.
What players would you have brought in? The market on defense was quite bare, as we saw guys like Hamrlik and Wisniewski ended up getting vastly overpaid.

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glad to see Studley and his comb over join the habs. solid pro scout...beat the heck out of that vegan salami named Gauthier

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05-25-2012, 03:42 PM
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glad to see Studley and his comb over join the habs. solid pro scout...beat the heck out of that vegan salami named Gauthier
He got the best look in the business IMO

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Great move by Bergevin. Dudley is a great hockey mind.

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05-25-2012, 04:03 PM
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What players would you have brought in? The market on defense was quite bare, as we saw guys like Hamrlik and Wisniewski ended up getting vastly overpaid.
I woul have re-signed Hammer to begin with. He said he'd take less money here. And bring in decent depth Dmen.

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I woul have re-signed Hammer to begin with. He said he'd take less money here. And bring in decent depth Dmen.
Ugh, Hamrlik. The team should have been getting younger.

I'm fine with the Markov deal, I don't see why 3 years...but then again who knows what the next 2 years will entail for Markov who still hypothetically has several high end years left and maybe we'll all be happy for the next 2 years he's locked up.

I for one am really excited to see what Markov might do next year, nothing about the way he sees the game would have been altered any any injuries. Every time people whine about how awful this team is think about a 1st line unit with Pacio-Desharnais-Cole-Markov-Subban and a 2nd unit that could be any number of different potential ideas.

Hamrlik is over 35, signing him to a multi year deal was not something the Habs needed to be doing.

I like the Kaberle provided depth as well. I think he might slot in nicely next year on the 3rd pairing with Emelin playing on his offhand. And he'll also be a good option for the 2nd (or 1st) PP unit.

Lots to be excited about next year, no sense dwelling on Roman Hamrlik wanting more than 1 year and the Habs not wanting to do it.

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05-25-2012, 05:47 PM
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In the end, with the season we ended up having, I doubt Hamrlik would've made that much of a difference given his age. I'm glad we gave young guys a chance to get some experience in a losing cause, it could pay off in the long run.

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In the end, with the season we ended up having, I doubt Hamrlik would've made that much of a difference given his age. I'm glad we gave young guys a chance to get some experience in a losing cause, it could pay off in the long run.
Solid positioning D and intelligent play was missing from our corps. His departure is directly related to our 15th place. It would've solidified the D, downgrading players who were asked too much, in turn making them more effective. Hamrlik's experience, leadership and presence would've been very helpful too.

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05-25-2012, 06:24 PM
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Solid positioning D and intelligent play was missing from our corps. His departure is directly related to our 15th place. It would've solidified the D, downgrading players who were asked too much, in turn making them more effective. Hamrlik's experience, leadership and presence would've been very helpful too.
Did you not see him play at all this season? He would not have made a difference. Maybe the team would be in 14th instead. Yay.

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Did you not see him play at all this season? He would not have made a difference. Maybe the team would be in 14th instead. Yay.
Hamrlik had some problems during the regular season but he found his game and had a great playoff. Minutes eaters with size and experience don't grown on trees. He would have been one of our Top 4 Dmen.

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Hamrlik had some problems during the regular season but he found his game and had a great playoff. Minutes eaters with size and experience don't grown on trees. He would have been one of our Top 4 Dmen.
But to expect a 38 year old defenceman, not named Nicklas Lidstrom, to have changed anything about this past season is asinine.

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05-25-2012, 08:23 PM
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But to expect a 38 year old defenceman, not named Nicklas Lidstrom, to have changed anything about this past season is asinine.
They lost a ton of close games. Having a semi-competent 2nd pairing might have put them in the playoffs. Especially if it prevents the management meltdown that effectively killed the season.

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05-25-2012, 08:26 PM
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the 100% positive thing is Berg and Dudley won't be icing midgets Habs team that can't defend itself .

...The Thrasher team (Jets) he put together was pretty big and every time they came into MTL looked like Giants ...This will be refreshing .



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Solid positioning D and intelligent play was missing from our corps. His departure is directly related to our 15th place. It would've solidified the D, downgrading players who were asked too much, in turn making them more effective. Hamrlik's experience, leadership and presence would've been very helpful too.
My point was that we were not even close to making the playoffs. You said it yourself, he was meh during the regular season. He might have helped us up one or two positions in the standings.

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Solid positioning D and intelligent play was missing from our corps. His departure is directly related to our 15th place. It would've solidified the D, downgrading players who were asked too much, in turn making them more effective. Hamrlik's experience, leadership and presence would've been very helpful too.
So if he's such a great D, why did Washington do so bad during the regular season?

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So if he's such a great D, why did Washington do so bad during the regular season?
They made the playoffs and won 7 post-season games.

So if Stamkos is such a great forward, why did Tampa Bay do so bad during the regular season?

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not sure if it's been mentionned yet but 25stanley says Scott Mellanby will join the Habs

http://25stanley.com/scott-mellanby-...-canadien.html

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not sure if it's been mentionned yet but 25stanley says Scott Mellanby will join the Habs

http://25stanley.com/scott-mellanby-...-canadien.html
As the new coach? He was last an assistant coach for St. Louis after all.
He was born in Montreal.

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So if he's such a great D, why did Washington do so bad during the regular season?
Ovechkin is a shadow of his former self and they don't have anything resembling a 2nd line center.

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As the new coach? He was last an assistant coach for St. Louis after all.
He was born in Montreal.
He said his true love was in hockey operations, that's why he stepped down as assistant coach in stl. He wont come over as a coach.

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He said his true love was in hockey operations, that's why he stepped down as assistant coach in stl. He wont come over as a coach.
Even if he doesn't come over as a coach....it would be awesome to have him. He'd be another guy who played with heart and who got a chance to be a part of a number of different systems both as player and asst. coach.

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My point was that we were not even close to making the playoffs. You said it yourself, he was meh during the regular season. He might have helped us up one or two positions in the standings.
In real terms Montreal was only -2 in actual hockey this season and was 10-20 in 1 goal games.

Shuffle the deck again and deal them with the benefit of a functioning 2nd pairing and they've got pretty decent odds at keeping pace with Ottawa, Washington and Florida.

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