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05-26-2012, 01:46 PM
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Dudley told the Globe and Mail the Leafs are just 3 good moves from being there...just 3 good moves...
Basically I read that and my first thought is "great, our AGM/GM's mentor is both clueless and delusional. We're doomed."

Then I mellowed a bit because 1) he can't really say "ha, the team I'm leaving sucks, so long suckers", and 2) what he said was that the Leafs needed a first-line center, a top-pairing D-man, and an elite goalie. Baiscially, they need an entire team.

It's delusional to think you can fill those holes easily, or with the pieces the Leafs have in their system, but Dudley couldn't really say that either.

OTOH, waxing about the size and cardio of a supposed future #1C who's struggling in the AHL is problematic. Dudley has been pointed out as over-favoring athleticism before.

Short way of saying, that article dispelled my cautious optimism and has left me somewhat apprehensive about the Habs' front office.


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05-26-2012, 01:47 PM
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I am very excited about the new front office ... cant wait to see what will be their first couple of moves (Coach and Price/Subban signing)

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Basically I read that and my first thought is "great, our AGM/GM's mentor is both clueless and delusional. We're doomed."

Then I mellowed a bit because 1) he can't really say "ha, the team I'm leaving sucks, so long suckers", and 2) what he said was that the Habs needed a first-line center, a top-pairing D-man, and an elite goalie. Baiscially, they need an entire team.

It's delusional to think you can fill those holes easily, or with the pieces the Leafs have in their system, but Dudley couldn't really say that either.

OTOH, waxing about the size and cardio of a supposed future #1C who's struggling in the AHL is problematic. Dudley has been pointed out as over-favoring athleticism before.

Short way of saying, that article dispelled my cautious optimism and has left me somewhat apprehensive about the Habs' front office.
Don't we already haven an elite goalie???

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Don't we already haven an elite goalie???
I meant the Leafs. Gonna fix it.

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05-26-2012, 01:57 PM
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Dudley is fantastic for the Canadiens. Everything people claim about McGuire only he actually works for NHL teams.

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Dudley is fantastic for the Canadiens. Everything people claim about McGuire only he actually works for NHL teams.
Wouldn't that make him terrible rather than fantastic?

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Wouldn't that make him terrible rather than fantastic?
I didn't say Dudley is everything McGuire is, more what people prop as McGuire's strengths. They say Dudley can give you an opinion and stat on every NHL player in the league, no need to look anything up. Probably a little bit of hyperbole but that's valuable.

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Wouldn't that make him terrible rather than fantastic?
No, because the only reason people hate Mcguire is for what he is on TV.

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No, because the only reason people hate Mcguire is for what he is on TV.
The reason I hate him is because he expresses superficial, wrongheaded, cliche-ridden narratives as his opinions.

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The reason I hate him is because he expresses superficial, wrongheaded, cliche-ridden narratives as his opinions.
He also seems to be easily swayed and impressed. A 'what have done for me lately' kinda guy.

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Wouldn't that make him terrible rather than fantastic?

I'm asking myself if you know Dudley's record and the answer is obviously no.

He helped built the SC Champion Lightning team but left before the job was completed. He was part of the management team that built the Blackhawks SC winner.

He wasn't given enough time in Atlanta but he built a good core for that franchise.

So what's the point of all this?

Commenting on the stupidity of Gainey & Gauthier is easy. It's as obvious as the keyboard in front of you. They screwed up and we comment on it. But there comes a time when you have to give people the benefit of the doubt especially someone like Dudley who has spent over 20 years in management and has good results to show for it. When you put his talent & experience on one end of the scale and then place yours on the other......well, modesty (and reality) dictates that you wait before you call him clueless & delusional and question his credentials.


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I'm asking myself if you know Dudley's record and the answer is obviously no.

He helped built the SC Champion Lightning team but left before the job was completed. He was part of the management team that built the Blackhawks SC winner.

He wasn't given enough time in Atlanta but he built a good core for that franchise.

So what's the point of all this?

Commenting on the stupidity of Gainey & Gauthier is easy. It's as obvious as the keyboard in front of you. They screwed up and we comment on it. But there comes a time when you have to give people the benefit of the doubt especially someone like Dudley who has spent over 20 years in management and has good results to show for it. When you put his talent & experience on one end of the scale and then place yours on the other......well, modesty dictates that you wait before you call him delusional and question his credentials.
+ Dudley IS NOT the GM !

He is 63, and he is an ASSISTANT GM.

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+ Dudley IS NOT the GM !

He is 63, and he is an ASSISTANT GM.
You have a point but Math Man would also have a point if his "assessment" of Dudley was correct even if he is just the assistant GM. Gauthier was just an assistant GM and look what he did.

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And what's the problem with not exactly knowing what your role will be? They know each other. They had interviews but surely weren't explicative on every single thing he'll be doing. Plenty of time to address it so I don't see the whole problem with not exactly knowing the role.....Yeah, let's choose to believe he knows what he's doing.
I said that it doesn't inspire much confidence.

They had interviews, contract negociations, somewhere along the line he probably got a good jist on what he'd be doing, but in the end, he answered "some pro scouting, I guess", which probably stated the obvious. Now that I think of it, might just have been Dudley's way of acting with the rampant media here... some kind of subtle sarcasm towards a question which should've been obvious with his reputation and all the mentions of him being a rink rat.

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I said that it doesn't inspire much confidence.

They had interviews, contract negociations, somewhere along the line he probably got a good jist on what he'd be doing, but in the end, he answered "some pro scouting, I guess", which probably stated the obvious. Now that I think of it, might just have been Dudley's way of acting with the rampant media here... some kind of subtle sarcasm towards a question which should've been obvious with his reputation and all the mentions of him being a rink rat.
Hmm. A subtle sarcastic shot at the mediots? Welcome aboard, Dudley.

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Nice interview:

http://www.fan590.com/ondemand/media...8_031727_13460

A bit overly optimistic of the Leafs though.

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Mellanby says that Dudley is the hardest working guy in hockey. He takes great pride in being an evaluator of talent.

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Mellanby says that Dudley is the hardest working guy in hockey. He takes great pride in being an evaluator of talent.
Guess Gomez is done, then

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05-28-2012, 05:14 PM
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Guess Gomez is done, then
Haven't you heard? Gomez wasn't terrible, it was The System.


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Haven't you heard? It wasn't Gomez who was terrible, it was The System.
yeah. Gill confirmed it.


Gomez will get 80 points next year.... In Hamilton.

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seen on the leafs board

http://www.lfpress.com/sports/hockey.../19808916.html

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The Leafs gave Bergevin permission to talk with Dudley and received no compensation except for an assurance that the new hire wouldn't have any input for the Canadiens on draft day.

Burke said he believes teams should be compensated upon losing a front-office employee or a coach. Burke said he gave up second-round draft picks when he hired coaches Marc Crawford (1998 in Vancouver) and Randy Carlyle (2005 in Anaheim).

"I've been pushing for that for a while," Burke said. "I believe that if one organization has been good at identifying people and training them they should be compensated with draft picks."

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How did Burke "train" Dudley? He was a former NHL GM, I don't think the "gospel of Brian Burke" made him who he is.

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Because the Leafs trained the 63 year old Dudley and are responsible for his past success and his track record.

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Did we get compensation for Brisebois and Boucher. Come one Burke we gifted you Grabovski that was your compensation now shut up and keep working on making the Leafs worse!

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What should we be compensated for for Brisebois? Boucher?

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