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View Poll Results: Your choice for next HC
Marc Crawford 23 16.67%
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Patrick Roy 49 35.51%
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05-12-2012, 12:46 PM
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Only on this forum....not surprisingly...

Out there, everyone is cheering for Roy to be our next coach....regardless what a very very small minority here are saying....
I don't know who you're talking to but that's not true. What we do see a lot on this forum however is people being tagged as "haters" because they don't share one's opinion.

There are pros and cons to having Roy as head coach, the major one being his inexperience coaching at the pro level. Most people don't hate Roy, they feel he's not ready to be head coach of the Montreal Canadiens. I'm one of them. I'd rather see him accept either the role of assistant to Bob Hartley (who he gets along well with) to learn, or be head coach in Hamilton for a season or two.

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Only on this forum....not surprisingly...

Out there, everyone is cheering for Roy to be our next coach....regardless what a very very small minority here are saying....
Extreme generalizations are awesome.

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Somehow, you wonder why people would want Gallant and not Roy if they solely build their opinion on their respective junior success. I mean, if Roy and the owners bought their teams....what do you call what St.John did? Can you really judge Gallant's work that way?
Well people on this forum aren't just looking at their junior success and Gallant has a lot more experience on a NHL coaching level than Roy.

I mean I know he has a packed team, but the guy need to be a candidate along with Hartley, Therrien, Groulx and Roy.

And some peoples would be saying that all thoses guys had pro experience unlike Roy and they all have a comparable junior carreer.


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The only time I noticed Gerard Gallant in the Q was last year against the Piques. And he got badly outcoached by Ben Groulx, to a point where all the match ups went in favor of Groulx, who had a much less talented squad. And were the toughest opponents to St.John's.

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Well people on this forum aren't just looking at their junior success and Gallant has a lot more experience on a NHL coaching level than Roy.

I mean I know he has a packed team, but the guy need to be a candidate along with Hartley, Therrien, Groulx and Roy.

And some peoples would be saying that all thoses guys had pro experience unlike Roy and they all have a comparable junior carreer.
I'm sorry, but if St.John's team wouldn't be the team it is now, nobody would have mentiond Gallant's name. So people might not be using stricly his junior success, yet in the end, that's why his name is resurfacing.

Besides, it is a false debate since Gallant isn't bilingual and he doesn't fit the profile of being a much much better candidate than any other bilingual ones.

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I don't know who you're talking to but that's not true. What we do see a lot on this forum however is people being tagged as "haters" because they don't share one's opinion.

There are pros and cons to having Roy as head coach, the major one being his inexperience coaching at the pro level. Most people don't hate Roy, they feel he's not ready to be head coach of the Montreal Canadiens. I'm one of them. I'd rather see him accept either the role of assistant to Bob Hartley (who he gets along well with) to learn, or be head coach in Hamilton for a season or two.
Strangely, it wouldn't be rare to see the assistant play a major role in any coaching group there is out there. You will often see the assistant coach take care of the X and O during a game than the coach will have. If you have Robinson on D and let say you keep Cunneyworth? Or you end up getting a Groulx who might be better technically....why would it be a problem? Roy is no slouch technically also but somehow people associate him with "just" an ex-player. I'd like to know which guys here criticizing him had actually the chance to be up close and personal and see him work behind a bench and hear the advices he gives. I was there often this year at Blainville. While I did not concentrate always on what the coaches had to say, let say that sometimes I did and especially for Roy....and the guy just doesn't yell after referees and open the doors to let the guys out.

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Strangely, it wouldn't be rare to see the assistant play a major role in any coaching group there is out there. You will often see the assistant coach take care of the X and O during a game than the coach will have. If you have Robinson on D and let say you keep Cunneyworth? Or you end up getting a Groulx who might be better technically....why would it be a problem? Roy is no slouch technically also but somehow people associate him with "just" an ex-player. I'd like to know which guys here criticizing him had actually the chance to be up close and personal and see him work behind a bench and hear the advices he gives. I was there often this year at Blainville. While I did not concentrate always on what the coaches had to say, let say that sometimes I did and especially for Roy....and the guy just doesn't yell after referees and open the doors to let the guys out.
So why can't Roy be an assistant, then?

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Somehow, you wonder why people would want Gallant and not Roy if they solely build their opinion on their respective junior success. I mean, if Roy and the owners bought their teams....what do you call what St.John did? Can you really judge Gallant's work that way?
Because Gallant good terribly outcoached by a guy who's seen as an absolute outsider?

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So why can't Roy be an assistant, then?
I'd be inclined to think like you...
But I'm afraid it's just not in his personnality.

Roy COULD be the coach of the Bulldogs and I wouldn't have any problem with that, though I'd prefer the Bulldogs coach to be a developpement specialist, as opposed to "coach we're grooming".

Ideally, Benoit Groulx would coach the 'Dogs, so we would both be grooming a head coach and have a good developpement specialist, but I think he said something like "NHL only for me".

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I'd be inclined to think like you...
But I'm afraid it's just not in his personnality.

Roy COULD be the coach of the Bulldogs and I wouldn't have any problem with that, though I'd prefer the Bulldogs coach to be a developpement specialist, as opposed to "coach we're grooming".

Ideally, Benoit Groulx would coach the 'Dogs, so we would both be grooming a head coach and have a good developpement specialist, but I think he said something like "NHL only for me".
From what I've heard about Groulx, I'd love him to come coach the Bulldogs. As for Roy, if he really needs to be the big shot, then that's what many people have trouble accepting about him being the coach of the habs. If his supposed ego really makes him incapable of taking a lesser job to help take his old team back to glory, then why do we want him?

Very much the same reason I wanted Bergevin over Mcguire. From all reports, it seems Mcguire wouldn't take an assistant GM job, even if that would fast track him to his 'dream job' of being an NHL GM.

Lack of pro experience is also a bit of a concern with Roy, IMO. But like I said, I think a guy like Roy takes you in one of two directions. Either complete failure or great success (insert borat).

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From what I've heard about Groulx, I'd love him to come coach the Bulldogs. As for Roy, if he really needs to be the big shot, then that's what many people have trouble accepting about him being the coach of the habs. If his supposed ego really makes him incapable of taking a lesser job to help take his old team back to glory, then why do we want him?

Very much the same reason I wanted Bergevin over Mcguire. From all reports, it seems Mcguire wouldn't take an assistant GM job, even if that would fast track him to his 'dream job' of being an NHL GM.

Lack of pro experience is also a bit of a concern with Roy, IMO. But like I said, I think a guy like Roy takes you in one of two directions. Either complete failure or great success (insert borat).
Groulx will stay in Gatineau instead of coaching an AHL team once again. I dunno if he would even accept to be an assistant coach at NHL level.

As for Roy, even if he is not #1 on my list, I would say he would have success in Montreal surrounded by a couple of good assistants. The guy knows how to coach + he knows Montreal, Quebec and its media culture and fans. + He knows all the players the Q has produced in the last 7 years. (could be helpful to find the hidden gems)


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So why can't Roy be an assistant, then?
So since Mike Sullivan takes care of a lot of the X's and O'S in New York, Tortorella should be his assistant?

'Cause being a head coach is a lot about the personnality. It's still the one who takes the final decision. The guy does dress the system you play. Yet, his assistants might only give him what he needs to be more complete. That's their role.

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So since Mike Sullivan takes care of a lot of the X's and O'S in New York, Tortorella should be his assistant?

'Cause being a head coach is a lot about the personnality. It's still the one who takes the final decision. The guy does dress the system you play. Yet, his assistants might only give him what he needs to be more complete. That's their role.
I never said it had to do with X's and O's. I just threw it out as an option. Tortorella also bounced around as an AHL head/assisant coach and assistant coach at the NHL level before finally becoming an NHL head coach, but I might be confusing him with someone else.

As for personality. Sure. It could help, I guess. Depending on the personality, it could also hurt you. But having seen enough interviews and footage of Boudreau, Julien, Hartley etc. etc. It really doesn't seem to be all too important in holding down an NHL job.

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I never said it had to do with X's and O's. I just threw it out as an option. Tortorella also bounced around as an AHL head/assisant coach and assistant coach at the NHL level before finally becoming an NHL head coach, but I might be confusing him with someone else.

As for personality. Sure. It could help, I guess. Depending on the personality, it could also hurt you. But having seen enough interviews and footage of Boudreau, Julien, Hartley etc. etc. It really doesn't seem to be all too important in holding down an NHL job.
I don't see Roy as an assistant. If the rumor is true and that Roy was ahead of Hunter for Washington, seems that it's not solely a Montreal thing either. I see my assistants at being really great technically. Or really great motivator. I feel Roy might be great at both. But might not have that one extraordinairy quality that I'm looking for my assistants. If you look exclusively at a powerplay specialist, well you look for the best of them. But he might not have a whole lot of everything else, yet it doesn't matter, you want a PP specialist.

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There isn't a coach out there that would want Roy as an Assistant in Montreal. Honestly, what coach in their right mind would want someone larger than life to be there assistant. It has nothing to do with Roy, it has to do with the head coach.

No Head Coach would ever hire Roy as his Assistant in Montreal.


Basically, Roy would get credit for any success and he'd be in line for the head coaching job if it went south. Fans aren't realistic in this market.


But Roy bashers just like to say Roy would never accept it because they like to use his ego. The reality is the guy is worth probably $100m but chose to ride the busses in Jr hockey, his ego is big but not bigger than the game.

I'm pro Roy, i just don't think its his time for him in Montreal.

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I'd be inclined to think like you...
But I'm afraid it's just not in his personnality.

Roy COULD be the coach of the Bulldogs and I wouldn't have any problem with that, though I'd prefer the Bulldogs coach to be a developpement specialist, as opposed to "coach we're grooming".

Ideally, Benoit Groulx would coach the 'Dogs, so we would both be grooming a head coach and have a good developpement specialist, but I think he said something like "NHL only for me".
I would rather see Benoit Groulx as an assistant to Roy, personally. I have no issues with a rookie coach. Sure did not hurt Dale Hunter. A good coach will likely be good at any level.

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Its funny how many people get this wrong:

St. John's (Newfoundland)
Saint John (New Brunswick)

Come'on man.

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There isn't a coach out there that would want Roy as an Assistant in Montreal. Honestly, what coach in their right mind would want someone larger than life to be there assistant. It has nothing to do with Roy, it has to do with the head coach.

No Head Coach would ever hire Roy as his Assistant in Montreal.
I disagree. I think that a guy who knows him, someone with a previous relationship with him, a Bob Hartley, perhaps even a Marc Crawford, would take Roy as an assistant.

The question however remains to see if Roy himself would accept the role of assistant... I somehow doubt it, unfortunately.

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You don't even live in Quebec. The **** do you know about "out there"?
What does this matter??? the fact that I live across the river from my hometown of Hull Quebec where i lived for 42 years and the fact that I actually am at the Bell Center a dozen time a year makes me a prime fan. Can you say the same? Also, if someone moves from Montreal to Laval, is he less of a fan? Frankly, your post is, well, very weak!

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Roy would never be second in command.

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What does this matter??? the fact that I live across the river from my hometown of Hull Quebec where i lived for 42 years and the fact that I actually am at the Bell Center a dozen time a year makes me a prime fan. Can you say the same? Also, if someone moves from Montreal to Laval, is he less of a fan? Frankly, your post is, well, very weak!
I live in Montreal. I think I'm more in touch with the fanbase than someone who does not. Especially when you are making outlandish claims about what the city and fanbase wants and does not want. Making generalizations about my people doesn't sit well with me.

I am also at the BC quite a bit as a season ticket holder.

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I live in Montreal. I think I'm more in touch with the fanbase than someone who does not. Especially when you are making outlandish claims about what the city and fanbase wants and does not want. Making generalizations about my people doesn't sit well with me.

I am also at the BC quite a bit as a season ticket holder.
You know that 95-98% of Habs' fans live outside Montreal, right?

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I live in Montreal. I think I'm more in touch with the fanbase than someone who does not. Especially when you are making outlandish claims about what the city and fanbase wants and does not want. Making generalizations about my people doesn't sit well with me.

I am also at the BC quite a bit as a season ticket holder.
I been paying attention to your posts for a long time and frankly, I do not think that you are very well connected with the fans as you have opinions that are very much going in the opposite direction than what the fans think. One only need to read the papers, listen to the open line and ask people around them to understand that there is an overwhelming sentiment amongst the fan base that Roy should be the next coach. Of course, if we have "other" reasons and blinders on, we will fail to see what the vast majority of the fans are asking for....

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