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View Poll Results: Who would you be ok with DW dealing
Thornton 11 8.66%
Marleau 80 62.99%
Pavelski 27 21.26%
Havlat 20 15.75%
Clowe 91 71.65%
Vlasic 12 9.45%
Boyle 71 55.91%
Burns 5 3.94%
Murray 108 85.04%
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05-07-2012, 11:43 AM
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Who would you be ok with DW moving

Now that the owners have given DW their vote of confidence and his jobs safe, you can probably count on him making one more desperate attempt at a cup. We all know that DW is notorious for bringing in talent in via trade and not FA. My question to you guys is simple.. NMC/NTC aside, of our top 6 F (not including Couture) and top D, who would you support DW dealing this off season in his attempt clear cap space and in making the changes necessary to improve this team?

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05-07-2012, 11:46 AM
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Now that the owners have given DW their vote of confidence and his jobs safe, you can probably count on him making one more desperate attempt at a cup. We all know that DW is notorious for bringing in talent in via trade and not FA. My question to you guys is simple.. NMC/NTC aside, of our top 6 F (not including Couture) and top D, who would you support DW dealing this off season in his attempt clear cap space and in making the changes necessary to improve this team?
Clowe -> For a speedy winger or Top Prospect + Pick
Boyle -> Only if we can pick Suter (pipe dream) or a good offensive defenseman
Murray -> He is way too slow. Picks.
Demers -> Picks/Forward Prospect(s)

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05-07-2012, 11:49 AM
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Marleau/Havlat - Can't move these guys as the top 6 is already too slow. Sharks lost to the Blues because they looked old and slow.
Thornton - Can't move him because the return won't make up for his two-way play.
Couture - Keep - Potential.
Vlasic - I think he's worth more than he'd return. Sharks really fall apart when he's not in the lineup.
Burns - Keep - Potential.

Everyone else I'm ok with assuming real value is coming back. Would like to keep Clowe because his skillset is rare, but at some point we have to give to get especially if we want to add some RFA's of value.

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05-07-2012, 12:03 PM
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Clowe, Murray, Boyle and assuming the price is right Marleau (doubtful due to NMC), and Pavelski (Love him, but his value is probably as high as it will ever be.)

I don't want DW to give Pavelski away because he would feel like he needs to get rid of him though. I would want him to trade him assuming we upgrade the team in a substantial way.

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05-07-2012, 12:31 PM
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Clowe has more votes than Marleau.... sad...

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Marleau. He'd net a Richards/Carter-esque return which would probably singlehandedly revitalize our lineup.

Oh wait, what's that? He's got a NMC?

Well, we're done here.

Murray for picks and we'll see the same team next year with Stuart on the back-end and a healthy Havlat as the only real change. That'll be good enough for 2nd in the division behind LA and potentially a 2nd-round appearance.

I don't know if I should be happy or sad with that kind of predicability.

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Clowe, Boyle, and Murray definitely.

Marleau and Pavelski depending on how good the return is. If you get someone like Sharp back, then I'm all for it.

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Marleau/Havlat - Can't move these guys as the top 6 is already too slow. Sharks lost to the Blues because they looked old and slow.
I agree that we are too slow, but when was the last time that Marleau's speed was a factor? Just saying that speed that doesn't contribute to goals/defense is wasted speed.

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05-07-2012, 01:04 PM
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I agree that we are too slow, but when was the last time that Marleau's speed was a factor? Just saying that speed that doesn't contribute to goals/defense is wasted speed.
The emphasis on possession this year virtually eliminated individual speed as a factor in scoring for the Sharks. In that sense I understand the rhetorical question. Marleau is substantially less useful given the Sharks play of the last season. Unfortunately, part of the correction to their issues is in utilizing the individual speed more.

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I'd agree about marleau. Unless tmac changes his system to better utilize his speed then we can do better and set ourselves up in the future.

Players that are more explosively quick on their first step In a possession game are more desirable if the game plan stays the same.

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I'd agree about marleau. Unless tmac changes his system to better utilize his speed then we can do better and set ourselves up in the future.

Players that are more explosively quick on their first step In a possession game are more desirable if the game plan stays the same.
The problem is that only one team in recent history (post-lockout) has parlayed the system into a win. And that team has more recently tried to open up their game while TM has been closing down the game of the Sharks.

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accidentally voted. meant to pick everyone except Pavelski and Marleau

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Marleau, Niemi, and the coaches.

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Hard to speak in generalizations because you don't know whats coming back. There are some who are unmoveable. In that group I would place Pavelski, Burns, Thornton, Vlasic, and Courure. Marleau, Clowe and Braun are not likely to move, but there is a chance. Players who could more are the usual suspects.

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accidentally voted. meant to pick everyone except Pavelski and Marleau

Couture? Vlasic? Burns? You're ok with dealing any one of them?

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Everyone should be mentioning the purpose of their moves. Is it a rebuild? Is it a tweak believing that the window is still open?

My take is that the keepers on a rebuild are guys who have the character to work with young players on improving their games. The guys who won't give up/let up if the team results tank for 2-4 years. They may very well be giving up their chance at a cup.

If it is a tweak, it needs to be a precise move or a couple of moves with no more if you really think the Sharks are close. Massive moves tend to take time to yield a cup result.

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I just don't think we're going to be a contender next season like we have been for the past four years. So in that case, the three players I would absolutely not trade are Couture, Burns, and Vlasic. Neither would I trade Havlat, Pavelski, or Marleau. JT only if there's the classical "overpayment" (as in, more than we gave up to get him. ). Murray is as good as gone as far as I'm concerned. I won't be at all upset if Niemi is traded or Clowe. Demers or Braun, only if it's in a package for a young top-6 winger (JVR, etc). Boyle, only if we can pick up another good defenseman (because Braun/UFA does not sound like a good 2nd pair to me) like if we trade Clowe for a defenseman, and then Boyle for a forward, etc. But I would not shop Boyle, like I felt like doing in the immediate aftermath of elimination.

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Everyone should be mentioning the purpose of their moves. Is it a rebuild? Is it a tweak believing that the window is still open?

My take is that the keepers on a rebuild are guys who have the character to work with young players on improving their games. The guys who won't give up/let up if the team results tank for 2-4 years. They may very well be giving up their chance at a cup.

If it is a tweak, it needs to be a precise move or a couple of moves with no more if you really think the Sharks are close. Massive moves tend to take time to yield a cup result.
Much of this depends on the coaching staff and the org's on-ice philosophy for next year but I'd be, for now, flexible in the direction I'd ultimately take. If I'm DW, I entertain and explore all potential offers; then weigh the sum whole of the best moves possible on the radar screen.

Nobody is untouchable.

For example, gather and then assess all the smaller tweak moves and larger wholesale trades or swaps. If we go with a complete or staggered rebuild what kind of opportunity exists now to cash in our current for future assets this offseason? If it's not there this offseason, we don't do it. But if an amazing deal or set of deals opens up, I get ready to pull the trigger.

Perhaps a smaller overhaul of proven players to better mix and match character and skillsets our team needs without a complete rebuild is available- like moving a Marleau for a Sharp or a Clowe/Murray for a more agile replacement is the only thing in the cards. I make those moves.

Basically, survey the landscape. If the long term value isn't there, then just tweak or do a swap here and there with character being more important than skillset. If the long term value is there in one big or a combination of deals- go rebuild.

In either case, I do not trade away picks or developing youth unless they're a goaltender or would otherwise fetch a King's Ransom.

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marleau, murray, clowe.

though i have a feeling that demers would shine in another system. i'd hate to see that happen, but i'd move him for a 2nd rounder or a solid 3rd liner.

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Murray, Clowe, Marleau.

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I polled Murray only, but I think virtually every team in the league would love to have him, and all the rest. I'm continually suprised at people wanting to get rid of Pavelski, Clowe and Marleau. Do you honestly think SJ would be better without them?
Pavs is future Capt imho
Clowe is a beast
Marleau scores...a lot!

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Murray, Clowe, Marleau (won't happen, though), on the fence with Boyle.

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I'm ok with moving anyone on the roster but Couture, Vlasic, and Burns in order to get younger and faster.

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Murray is the only person for me as of now. I think other teams would love to have him and the return would justify trading him now. Everyone else, tough for me to say because I have no idea if they plan to overhaul the fundamentals of our system, or just the PK. I'm in the camp that you decide on the system, then build your team around that.

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The window is still there. I think you exhaust this window.

If the value of marleau is too good to pass up, try to get him to wave, otherwise you keep him JT and Boyle

Limit boyles minutes, shelter JT a bit, give marleau the 2nd line.

Try to add by moving clowe and Murray if you can. We need the tween scenario back and a scoring third line.

Obviously tweaks need to happen to the system. Possession is good, but flexibility definitely helps.

Was vlasic really ready for the top pairing? Would burns vlasic work out better against top competition. Boyle/demers in the second line. Try to acquire Stuart.

We should reasonably be able to expect a 50 PT return from a healthy clowe. If the staff doesn't see it, move him. I'd rather give marleau and whoever a really solid F1 like wingels for the season than have a 30-40 PT clowe on the second line.

4th line of winnik-desjardins-wingels us the only thing I'm sure of in the bottom six.

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