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05-16-2012, 01:40 PM
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Cant believe that Gally is now #14 in the ISS rankings yet he's in the top 5 of most mock drafts.

Im starting to think that Grigs will be outside looking in of the top 10

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05-16-2012, 01:42 PM
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I have the biggest feeling that the leafs will draft Jacob Trouba. I can just see it, it's really my gut feeling..

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05-16-2012, 01:46 PM
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Cant believe that Gally is now #14 in the ISS rankings yet he's in the top 5 of most mock drafts.

Im starting to think that Grigs will be outside looking in of the top 10
Should we draft Forsberg/Gally or whoever with #3 and Grigo falls out of the top 10. I would be VERY happy if habs made a play for the next pick and drafted Grigo. As a top 3 he has too many question marks, but out of the top 10? I'd want him for sure.

We'd have two top prospects on our team. I can't complain with that.

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05-16-2012, 01:47 PM
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Unless Columbus picks Murray unlikely,with Nash leaving they need a forward to replace him and #2 overall will get them a good forward out of the three I mentioned leaving two for the Habs to choose from.Barring a trade with Edmonton for the #1 pick that's the way it should play out.IMO


This is why I think they want either Yakupov or Grigorenko. Nash is leaving, that is almost guaranteed (and if it's T.O. than 5th overall isn't out of the question either---getting them a good Dman).

Yaks is a RW, Grigs plays C and RW. Both could possibly make the jump next year. Not to mention adding one of them in Nash's stead saves about 4-5M in actual salary.

They'd be the natural choices. I don't see the "russian factor" playing too much into it. Both chose to come to NA for their draft year (and Yak had 2 full seasons)...Filatov did not.

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05-16-2012, 01:48 PM
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Woodlief on Grigorenko and Teravainen:

...while the other two are supremely skilled (they are right up there with Yakupov on pure skills), both have questions about their intensity level and emotional commitment.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hocke...ort/55015670/1

I'm wondering if anyone else shares this concern about Teravainen?
Never heard that about Teravainen. Woodlief is projecting the 5'10" ~160lbs figure into lack of intensity or commitment in the gym perhaps?

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05-16-2012, 01:55 PM
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Never heard that about Teravainen. Woodlief is projecting the 5'10" ~160lbs figure into lack of intensity or commitment in the gym perhaps?
or by his parents for not making him more genetically prone to height?

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05-16-2012, 02:00 PM
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seems odd since (1) Grant McGagg hasn't mentioned it as a question mark and (2) he's been rising not dropping like Grigs

maybe Woodlief is running interference for some GM . . .

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05-16-2012, 02:29 PM
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Galchenyuk or Forsberg. That's fine with me... If the Habs keep their pick

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05-16-2012, 02:30 PM
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Cant believe that Gally is now #14 in the ISS rankings yet he's in the top 5 of most mock drafts.

Im starting to think that Grigs will be outside looking in of the top 10
Doesn't make much sense ! Only reason: his year-long injury. THat's it. Next combine, he's gonna prove them wrong.

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05-16-2012, 02:49 PM
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Doesn't make much sense ! Only reason: his year-long injury. THat's it. Next combine, he's gonna prove them wrong.
Maybe its because mock drafts aren't real. I trust iss waay befor sumones mock draft.

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05-16-2012, 04:00 PM
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Maybe its because mock drafts aren't real. I trust iss waay befor sumones mock draft.
Let this be a lesson to yourself when you see how far off ISS is on Galchenyuk. The fact is that most of these services/publications are a joke as they are staffed by people who can't get hired by an NHL team. This isn't to say that there aren't any quality talent evaluators in these organizations but the overall body of work has to be seriously questioned. As for publications that claim to use confidential consensus rankings from NHL scouts.....there is alot of misinformation put forward as teams don't want to overhype their preferred picks. There are also many instances where publications intentionally raise and drop players to create buzz and to sell their product. I am not endorsing these mock drafts either on public forums for obvious credibility issues.

You have to take this information with a grain of salt and come to your own conclusion from actually seeing the prospect play.

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05-16-2012, 04:56 PM
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Doesn't make much sense ! Only reason: his year-long injury. THat's it. Next combine, he's gonna prove them wrong.
I don't see Galchenyuk lasting beyond the top 5. If we don't take him, I don't see him getting past NYI and Toronto.

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05-16-2012, 04:58 PM
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I sat down with an eastern conference crossover scout for a couple of hours today. I asked him who he thinks the Habs should draft - he said it should come down to Galchenyuk and Teravainen.

"With the puck he's amazing...he's got Giroux type skill..he also reminds me of Sakic. Only knock on him is he lets the puck come to him a little too much..to be that special kind of NHLer you hope he wants to get the puck more. But don't forget he's pretty skinny...what's he weigh..170 if that? The puck seems to follow him around anyway. And he's a late birthday...he's not done growing, he may end up being 6-0....6-0 185 or 190. Let's not forget Giroux was 5-10 in his draft year."

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05-16-2012, 05:17 PM
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I sat down with an eastern conference crossover scout for a couple of hours today. I asked him who he thinks the Habs should draft - he said it should come down to Galchenyuk and Teravainen.

"With the puck he's amazing...he's got Giroux type skill..he also reminds me of Sakic. Only knock on him is he lets the puck come to him a little too much..to be that special kind of NHLer you hope he wants to get the puck more. But don't forget he's pretty skinny...what's he weigh..170 if that? The puck seems to follow him around anyway. And he's a late birthday...he's not done growing, he may end up being 6-0....6-0 185 or 190. Let's not forget Giroux was 5-10 in his draft year."
I have had very limited viewings of Teravainen but I had a very similar observation. He stays on the perimeter a little too much and seemed to be more of an opportunist than a pure creator.

He is very young and with more size and strength he may become more agressive but these are real enough concerns to keep him behind Galchenyuk imo.

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05-16-2012, 05:21 PM
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I sat down with an eastern conference crossover scout for a couple of hours today. I asked him who he thinks the Habs should draft - he said it should come down to Galchenyuk and Teravainen.

"With the puck he's amazing...he's got Giroux type skill..he also reminds me of Sakic. Only knock on him is he lets the puck come to him a little too much..to be that special kind of NHLer you hope he wants to get the puck more. But don't forget he's pretty skinny...what's he weigh..170 if that? The puck seems to follow him around anyway. And he's a late birthday...he's not done growing, he may end up being 6-0....6-0 185 or 190. Let's not forget Giroux was 5-10 in his draft year."
Who is the scout talking about grant, TT?

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05-16-2012, 05:24 PM
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Who is the scout talking about grant, TT?
Yes, TT.

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let's just draft grigs or gally, finished.

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05-16-2012, 05:55 PM
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I wonder how many replies have been posted about the same players... how about 2nd, 3rd or heck 6th rounders that might be interesting ?

I mean, seriously ?

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05-16-2012, 06:03 PM
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I wonder how many replies have been posted about the same players... how about 2nd, 3rd or heck 6th rounders that might be interesting ?

I mean, seriously ?
There is very little consensus on who is a 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. rounder. It makes it kind of silly to speculate on players who may be gone 3 rounds before you suggest taking them. We can debate the #3 pick because it is narrowed down to a handfull of players to pick from.

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05-16-2012, 06:03 PM
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I wonder how many replies have been posted about the same players... how about 2nd, 3rd or heck 6th rounders that might be interesting ?

I mean, seriously ?
2nd rounder? Well I'd go with Grigorenko....

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05-16-2012, 06:24 PM
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2nd rounder? Well I'd go with Grigorenko....
lol

I allready used that one a couple of weeks ago.

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05-16-2012, 06:48 PM
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I have had very limited viewings of Teravainen but I had a very similar observation. He stays on the perimeter a little too much and seemed to be more of an opportunist than a pure creator.

He is very young and with more size and strength he may become more agressive but these are real enough concerns to keep him behind Galchenyuk imo.
The scout did add that at this level Teravainen doesn't have to go after the puck, it follows him around. He said he may never have to be very aggressive because of his smarts and skills. He also told me he would pick Teravainen and Galchenyuk ahead of Yakupov...he wouldn't risk a top pick on a Russian player.

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05-16-2012, 07:04 PM
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Teravainen

I'm kinda split on Teravainen, on one side, I don't want to pick at number 3 a ''late riser'' and Forsberg look safer.

At the same time, if he was born like 5 days later, he would of been a 2013 pick, so he's a couple of months younger than other top picks, so it's normal to shine a bit later. (Jordan Staal was born sept 10 '88 and was drafted 2nd overrall, so not sure if my age argument is valid)

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05-16-2012, 07:17 PM
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Am I the only one who find it weird that on the Habs official Facebook page, they posted a link on Morgan Rielly?

I mean, ok there's video about other possible picks on HabsTV, but why focus on Rielly?

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05-16-2012, 07:31 PM
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Am I the only one who find it weird that on the Habs official Facebook page, they posted a link on Morgan Rielly?

I mean, ok there's video about other possible picks on HabsTV, but why focus on Rielly?
They did it for Ceci too, I wouldn't worry too much.

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