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05-08-2012, 04:43 PM
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with Nashville losing, the Devils pick possibly forfeited, and at least two teams jumping past the Preds to the Conference finals, the 2nd 2nd should be somewhere in the range of #50. Hooray! Plus Kostitsyn and Gill are gone! Yay!
The devil's pick is gone, IMO. Would make no sense to keep it this year. Also pushes our 2nd rounder up to 32nd. Might not seem like much, but every spot counts, especially right outside the first. Could get some real nice fallers there.

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05-08-2012, 04:46 PM
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Prospects I'd be interested in...

1st round : Galchenyuk, Forsberg, Grigorenko
2nd round : Frk (IF he drops there, doubtful), Kerdiles, Bozon
2nd round : Samuelsson, Sutter, Zharkov
3rd round : Marcantuoni, Makarov, Ebert (who knows)
4th round : Bussieres, Hudon, Iafrate
6th round : Graham, Martinook, Rissling, Fournier, Zlobin (who knows, might drop there, might go earlier, might not get drafted at all)

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05-08-2012, 05:52 PM
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It's clear you have an axe to grind.

The KHL thing is overblown. As has been posted here numerous times, the KHL has lost ALOT of it's luster over the last few years. Maybe for a team like Phoenix it would be an issue, but for us? You think Grigs would rather play in the KHL over Les Canadien? Especially when he's come over here already to play junior? It just doesn't seem logical...

Also he may not be bowling guys over, but he hardly is scared of physical play. And he does go to the net. He's no more perimeter than Spezza, Thornton, or Henrik Sedin....
Before the 2011-2012 season started,I was lauding Grigorenko and how good this kid can play.All I heard was Yakupov is better then came the Galchenyuk comparisons before he could have seen him play,so take his thoughts with a pinch and a twist.Some people can't take being wrong and go the extra yard to antagonize a player he's never met,let alone done something to him.

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05-08-2012, 06:22 PM
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Prospects I'd be interested in...

1st round : Galchenyuk, Forsberg, Grigorenko
2nd round : Frk (IF he drops there, doubtful), Kerdiles, Bozon
2nd round : Samuelsson, Sutter, Zharkov
3rd round : Marcantuoni, Makarov, Ebert (who knows)
4th round : Bussieres, Hudon, Iafrate
6th round : Graham, Martinook, Rissling, Fournier, Zlobin (who knows, might drop there, might go earlier, might not get drafted at all)
There's no way Fournier slips to the 6th round.

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05-08-2012, 06:59 PM
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I'd love to see the Habs pick up Finnish defenseman Esa Lindell in the third round.

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05-08-2012, 07:33 PM
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Galchenyuk's draft blog:
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I was hoping we'd take either Mikko Vainonen or Pelech and if Hudon is available in the 3rd round I'd take a chance on him.

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05-08-2012, 09:46 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks Galchenyuk is similar to Voracek in terms of playstyle and how they look on the ice?

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05-08-2012, 09:49 PM
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Not what people want to hear probably....but you have to expect at least 2 Q players in this draft. So make your pick. My bet is that we pick 2 or even 3 of Frk, Beauvillier, Lalancette, Hudon, Fournier and Bussières.

And we invite at our prospect camp Clapperton and Andrighetto.

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05-08-2012, 09:52 PM
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Not what people want to hear probably....but you have to expect at least 2 Q players in this draft. So make your pick. My bet is that we pick 2 or even 3 of Frk, Beauvillier, Lalancette, Hudon, Fournier and Bussières.

And we invite at our prospect camp Clapperton and Andrighetto.
You seem to have this idea that people don't want us to draft from the Q. Most of us just want the best players. If they're from the Q, great. If not, fine. It's not much harder than that.

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Not what people want to hear probably....but you have to expect at least 2 Q players in this draft. So make your pick. My bet is that we pick 2 or even 3 of Frk, Beauvillier, Lalancette, Hudon, Fournier and Bussières.

And we invite at our prospect camp Clapperton and Andrighetto.
I'm more than fine with seeing them pick from the Q for comparable prospects. It should never, ever be the major factor in our first round pick though.

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05-08-2012, 09:55 PM
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I'm more than fine with seeing them pick from the Q for comparable prospects. It should never, ever be the major factor in our first round pick though.
Was it ever ?

Not very often in a long long while ... Leblanc was not technically a Q product... But Beaulieu was... You have to go back to 1998 with Chouinard to find another one... And the Habs took the wrong Quebec Remparts' one !

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You seem to have this idea that people don't want us to draft from the Q. Most of us just want the best players. If they're from the Q, great. If not, fine. It's not much harder than that.
Who cares if they're from mars if they're the bpa.

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Was it ever ?

Not very often in a long long while ... Leblanc was not technically a Q product... But Beaulieu was... You have to go back to 1998 with Chouinard to find another one... And the Habs took the wrong Quebec Remparts' one !
I don't think it was, but you occasionally hear talk that we 'have' to take Grigorenko because it would be bad PR to miss out on a great propsect from the Q. To me that's a terrible mentality to have when drafting, if you think Galchenyuk (or whoever) is a better overall player than Grigo you don't have second doubts just because it would look bad if you are wrong. You trust your own experts, not what the fans think.

But Beaulieu is a case where, as a casual Q fan, I was happy to get someone from the Q, but he was also clearly the BPA.

I don't think Bergevin would ever force the Habs to draft from the Q, just focus more scouting resources on it.

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What are the potential of Gally, Grigs, Forsberg and Tero if none of them bust ? (in points)

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I don't think it was, but you occasionally hear talk that we 'have' to take Grigorenko because it would be bad PR to miss out on a great propsect from the Q. To me that's a terrible mentality to have when drafting, if you think Galchenyuk (or whoever) is a better overall player than Grigo you don't have second doubts just because it would look bad if you are wrong. You trust your own experts, not what the fans think.

But Beaulieu is a case where, as a casual Q fan, I was happy to get someone from the Q, but he was also clearly the BPA.

I don't think Bergevin would ever force the Habs to draft from the Q, just focus more scouting resources on it.
As I said, I don't think anyone was ever forced to draft a Q player just for the sake of it in the last decade at least, and not very often the decade before, too.

I don,t think folks want to have Grigorenko because he is playing in the Q. Actually, I think a majority of people don't want him at all.

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05-08-2012, 10:12 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks Galchenyuk is similar to Voracek in terms of playstyle and how they look on the ice?
I watched Voracek in juniors. I don't see too many similarities in their games at this point.

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Not what people want to hear probably....but you have to expect at least 2 Q players in this draft. So make your pick. My bet is that we pick 2 or even 3 of Frk, Beauvillier, Lalancette, Hudon, Fournier and Bussières.

And we invite at our prospect camp Clapperton and Andrighetto.
Matheson and Mallet. Beauvillier I wouldn't bother drafting him.

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05-08-2012, 10:19 PM
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Matheson and Mallet. Beauvillier I wouldn't bother drafting him.
I'd like to see Matheson (not in Q but a Quebec native) and Cedric Paquette (probably 5th/6th rd....maybe 4th) a solid late rd pick

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What are the potential of Gally, Grigs, Forsberg and Tero if none of them bust ? (in points)
IF they dont bust, and they develop to their maximum potential:

Gally : point per game, 80 pts. maybe 35 goals 45 assists regulary

Grigorenko: IF he doesnt bust, I see a 90 points player in him. Maybe a little bit more.

Forsberg: Well beetween 70 and 75 points.

Teravainen: Don't know him well.«

Note: I'm not saying that Grigorenko is the best and that Forsberg is the worst pick. Just saying what their maximum potential is. (as my pick is Galchenyuk )

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Not what people want to hear probably....but you have to expect at least 2 Q players in this draft. So make your pick. My bet is that we pick 2 or even 3 of Frk, Beauvillier, Lalancette, Hudon, Fournier and Bussières.

And we invite at our prospect camp Clapperton and Andrighetto.
Drafting Fournier with Nashville's or the Habs 3rd pick and Mallet or Paquette with a 4th/5th would make my happy.

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IF they dont bust, and they develop to their maximum potential:

Gally : point per game, 80 pts. maybe 35 goals 45 assists regulary

Grigorenko: IF he doesnt bust, I see a 90 points player in him. Maybe a little bit more.

Forsberg: Well beetween 70 and 75 points.

Teravainen: Don't know him well.«

Note: I'm not saying that Grigorenko is the best and that Forsberg is the worst pick. Just saying what their maximum potential is. (as my pick is Galchenyuk )
Yet Forsberg could end up a 50 goals scorer Grigorenko a 120 point Offensive threat and galchenyuk a third line tweener...

Easy to make up potential when you know squat about them.

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Good article

Everytime I read an article on Galchenyuk it makes me want to see him a in Habs jersey more and more!! (same with Dumba!!).


Dream come true (fantasy):
We somehow draft Galchenyuk and Dumba!!
(these fantasy Draft moves by Timmins will be rememberd as the ''Galchumba!!'').

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This. I really think the Habs should take Grigorenko... Markov would take him under his wing and he would develop and be a Habs superstar.. I can feel it!!
Emelin could take him under his wing...less of an age difference and Markov won't be a Hab for too long anyways imo (and is rarely around the team since he's usually nursing injury after injury because of a very fragile body...knock on wood for next season since we need him to make the playoffs, but once in playoffs we'll need real warriors...Ryan UFA Suter anyone?!).

Anyways...Galchenyuk (or Dumba) for me.


Near future:
Tinordi - PK Subban
Beaulieu - Dumba!
Emelin- Gorges
Ellis


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