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08-01-2012, 07:40 AM
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Top teams for 2012-2013 season

Wondering what teams are expected to win this season.

Halifax?
Quebec?

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Blainville Boisriand , Gatineau , Moncton..

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Wondering what teams are expected to win this season.

Halifax?
Quebec?
Don't we already have a thread about this?

Add Blainville, Moncton and Gatineau to those two. Altho Hfx and Que are in the top tier right now.

Those are the only 5 that will make noise most likely, at least at this point anyways. Maybe Baie- Comeau or Val-d'Or or Rimouski...

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Don't we already have a thread about this?

Add Blainville, Moncton and Gatineau to those two. Altho Hfx and Que are in the top tier right now.

Those are the only 5 that will make noise most likely, at least at this point anyways. Maybe Baie- Comeau or Val-d'Or or Rimouski...
I don't see things your way young man for sure.
Things will fold out handsomely once the season starts and they start clearing out.

I expect a top 5 to be a little different....enjoy...

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08-02-2012, 07:24 AM
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I don't see things your way young man for sure.
Things will fold out handsomely once the season starts and they start clearing out.

I expect a top 5 to be a little different....enjoy...

halifax and quebec are clear front runners for the time being. you never know what will happen once the season starts. i expect moncton to be up there, but, not quite at the level of Quebec or halifax yet.

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halifax and quebec are clear front runners for the time being. You never know what will happen once the season starts. I expect moncton to be up there, but, not quite at the level of quebec or halifax yet.
quebec's defense is a big question mark.....i dont know how it will react they did lose top def from last year edition...

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With an NHL lock out looming....teams will have all of their top players available from the start. IMO fighting for top spot will be amongst 4 teams Quebec, Halifax, Moncton and Blainville. Looking forward to the camps starting!

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With an NHL lock out looming....teams will have all of their top players available from the start. IMO fighting for top spot will be amongst 4 teams Quebec, Halifax, Moncton and Blainville. Looking forward to the camps starting!
at this point, i would agree on those 4 teams, certainly on paper anyway!

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I don't see things your way young man for sure.
Things will fold out handsomely once the season starts and they start clearing out.

I expect a top 5 to be a little different....enjoy...
Yes, the Titan...

Maybe this time we can beat you in the final on an offside goal.

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With an NHL lock out looming....teams will have all of their top players available from the start. IMO fighting for top spot will be amongst 4 teams Quebec, Halifax, Moncton and Blainville. Looking forward to the camps starting!
Remember, we get something awesome (I'm not sure who) if Pageau goes back to Chicoutimi.

I hear Le Droit was speculating that there was some way we could ask for the player we get back to be Pageau himself, but I don't see how that's kosher under the rules. Hudon?

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at this point, i would agree on those 4 teams, certainly on paper anyway!
I concur!

Including Gatineau in there is a little premature.
In any case I do expect the Titan also to be in the mix pretty quick once the season kicks off.

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I concur!

Including Gatineau in there is a little premature.
In any case I do expect the Titan also to be in the mix pretty quick once the season kicks off.
Bathurst have weak D and no # 1 goaltender..Kind of strange considering Gatineau got their starter from Bathurst.


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Quebec should suffer from Grigorenko and Kucherov not being there at the start of the season. They'll lose some points.

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Remember, we get something awesome (I'm not sure who) if Pageau goes back to Chicoutimi.

I hear Le Droit was speculating that there was some way we could ask for the player we get back to be Pageau himself, but I don't see how that's kosher under the rules. Hudon?
Pageau can't come back to Gatineau and a lock out won't affect his chances to make the AHL.

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I don't see things your way young man for sure.
Things will fold out handsomely once the season starts and they start clearing out.

I expect a top 5 to be a little different....enjoy...
Maybe when we get rolling ya, but for now, you're not going to hear another top 5. HFX,QUE, BLB, MON and GAT being5th is how it is. I'm sure you're responding to the fact I forgot Bathurst in my post, but yes they're in that group with Riki VDO, BC... Probably ahead of Riki and BC imo. I have them at 7-8... But I know you'll object that

Come Christmas time if the Titan get that #1 (which will cost a fortune) then they'll be in the top 5 ... But with the starter and 6D they have right now... It's just a glorified offensive team.... Oh and Gatineau have your starter (former) a better D and two great euros. Reway hasn't played, but was one of the top available players, so we shall see.

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Maybe when we get rolling ya, but for now, you're not going to hear another top 5. HFX,QUE, BLB, MON and GAT being5th is how it is. I'm sure you're responding to the fact I forgot Bathurst in my post, but yes they're in that group with Riki VDO, BC... Probably ahead of Riki and BC imo. I have them at 7-8... But I know you'll object that

Come Christmas time if the Titan get that #1 (which will cost a fortune) then they'll be in the top 5 ... But with the starter and 6D they have right now... It's just a glorified offensive team.... Oh and Gatineau have your starter (former) a better D and two great euros. Reway hasn't played, but was one of the top available players, so we shall see.
Sorry to tell you Gatineau does not have the top line the Titan have....
Hyka is very good, but the linemates do not compare to our first line.

I do not deny that Gatineau might be in the mix down the road, but they will need to also add a couple of top 2 liners in order to do so....
They are not a top-5 team at the moment.

Steeves is good but he brought the Titan nowhere in the last two playoffs and did not win one game on his own.
The Titan were hoping he would steal one game against Chicoutimi and that could have changed that series...to no avail.

I think you sorely overrate him.

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Pageau can't come back to Gatineau and a lock out won't affect his chances to make the AHL.
I didn't think so either, but Hudon would be pretty good too.

A lockout does affect Pageau's chances of making the B-Sens though, because there will be a number of younger Senators who go and play in Bingo for the duration of the lockout. It's a numbers game...

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Sorry to tell you Gatineau does not have the top line the Titan have....
Hyka is very good, but the linemates do not compare to our first line.
Dubé and Réway? That's a pretty damn good top line. Réway blew Hyka's stats from two years ago away in the same league at the same age last year. Hyka was considered good in that league, Réway was better, and I'm expecting him to be as good as or better than Hyka was last year.

As for Steeves, really, we just need Groulx not to try to ride him for the entire year like he did to Lacerte last year. I have enough confidence in the team as a whole that I'm comfortable going forward with a good, if not great, goalie. Basically a guy who won't totally **** the bed at the end of the season because he's exhausted.

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I didn't think so either, but Hudon would be pretty good too.

A lockout does affect Pageau's chances of making the B-Sens though, because there will be a number of younger Senators who go and play in Bingo for the duration of the lockout. It's a numbers game...
He was going to make it last year. Murray wanted to keep and now he would send him back? It makes no sense...

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Dubé and Réway? That's a pretty damn good top line. Réway blew Hyka's stats from two years ago away in the same league at the same age last year. Hyka was considered good in that league, Réway was better, and I'm expecting him to be as good as or better than Hyka was last year.

As for Steeves, really, we just need Groulx not to try to ride him for the entire year like he did to Lacerte last year. I have enough confidence in the team as a whole that I'm comfortable going forward with a good, if not great, goalie. Basically a guy who won't totally **** the bed at the end of the season because he's exhausted.
Stats don't say everything. Filippi had the same kind of stats, in the same league, at the same age.

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Sorry to tell you Gatineau does not have the top line the Titan have....
Hyka is very good, but the linemates do not compare to our first line.

I do not deny that Gatineau might be in the mix down the road, but they will need to also add a couple of top 2 liners in order to do so....
They are not a top-5 team at the moment.

Steeves is good but he brought the Titan nowhere in the last two playoffs and did not win one game on his own.
The Titan were hoping he would steal one game against Chicoutimi and that could have changed that series...to no avail.

I think you sorely overrate him.
Because your top line = best team right

So who is a top five team then? Valdor? No. Bathurst? No. Riki, BC? No. Gatineau appear to look the best out of them so they get "#5" at this point. Yes, they will need to add to compete with the big dogs, but they look decent now.

But continue the crusade to validate the Titan!

And how convienent. Steeves is no longer a Titan so he's overrated, yet if he wasn't traded he would be compared to Carey Price, and would be the next Martin Brodeur. Just like if Salvail got traded, he would be back to being a 4th liner, not a superstar like you think he is.

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Because your top line = best team right

So who is a top five team then? Valdor? No. Bathurst? No. Riki, BC? No. Gatineau appear to look the best out of them so they get "#5" at this point. Yes, they will need to add to compete with the big dogs, but they look decent now.

But continue the crusade to validate the Titan!

And how convienent. Steeves is no longer a Titan so he's overrated, yet if he wasn't traded he would be compared to Carey Price, and would be the next Martin Brodeur. Just like if Salvail got traded, he would be back to being a 4th liner, not a superstar like you think he is.
So according to your Gospel, we have to accept that Gatineau is at #5?

I see.

Where did I write that Steeves should be compared to Carey Price?

Steeves is what he is and I gave the opinion that Steeves did not bring the Titan where they were hoping he would in the last two playoffs.

You seem to forget that Brennan is no slouch either and that Mason McDonald will be a Titan next season.
They are not proven, but they surely have a high upside as a tandem.

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So according to your Gospel, we have to accept that Gatineau is at #5?

I see.

Where did I write that Steeves should be compared to Carey Price?

Steeves is what he is and I gave the opinion that Steeves did not bring the Titan where they were hoping he would in the last two playoffs.

You seem to forget that Brennan is no slouch either and that Mason McDonald will be a Titan next season.
They are not proven, but they surely have a high upside as a tandem.
McDonald will have to pull a Fucale in order for Bathurst to really make a push into the top 5. I'm not convinced on Brennan right yet. He performed well in Major Midget but definitely not last year. McDonald was one of the biggest steals in the draft and I think he'll be the only guy who's able to win on a consistent base for Bathurst.

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So according to your Gospel, we have to accept that Gatineau is at #5?

I see.

Where did I write that Steeves should be compared to Carey Price?

Steeves is what he is and I gave the opinion that Steeves did not bring the Titan where they were hoping he would in the last two playoffs.

You seem to forget that Brennan is no slouch either and that Mason McDonald will be a Titan next season.
They are not proven, but they surely have a high upside as a tandem.

I dont think anyone is arguing the first line players. All those teams mentionned have above average first lines. Unfortunately, first lines dont win games on their own. Especially not in the playoffs. More often Goaltending will win in the playoffs. And i think bathurst is not close to top 5 in goaltending. Not based on previous performances. That's where team depth comes into play. At this point, i have to agree when looking at team depth up front, defense and in nets, Bathurst have much to prove. I agree with CHSB that they have lots of potential, but, until that potential becomes reality, that's all it is....potential. Example - Brennan: very good goalie, but has not been "the man" yet at this level. Much resembles Steeves of a few years ago. What happens if he falters? There have not been many 16yr olds who have made impacts from the net historically. Macdonald is not ready to start in this league yet. The potential is there, but, it's a huge jump and very difficult to make.
same story up front and same story on the D. The potential is there, and if all the players play to their capabilities, you can count bathurst in the mix.

I think when people put up the 5 teams mentionned, its because the depth is more evident and players have already exhibited certain results that people can count on.

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I dont think anyone is arguing the first line players. All those teams mentionned have above average first lines. Unfortunately, first lines dont win games on their own. Especially not in the playoffs. More often Goaltending will win in the playoffs. And i think bathurst is not close to top 5 in goaltending. Not based on previous performances. That's where team depth comes into play. At this point, i have to agree when looking at team depth up front, defense and in nets, Bathurst have much to prove. I agree with CHSB that they have lots of potential, but, until that potential becomes reality, that's all it is....potential. Example - Brennan: very good goalie, but has not been "the man" yet at this level. Much resembles Steeves of a few years ago. What happens if he falters? There have not been many 16yr olds who have made impacts from the net historically. Macdonald is not ready to start in this league yet. The potential is there, but, it's a huge jump and very difficult to make.
same story up front and same story on the D. The potential is there, and if all the players play to their capabilities, you can count bathurst in the mix.

I think when people put up the 5 teams mentionned, its because the depth is more evident and players have already exhibited certain results that people can count on.
This. Plus the defensive depth isn't the greatest. I know stats don't tell the whole story but only 3 dmen ended up with a positive +/- rating, and one of them got traded away. I assume these defencemen will improve but I don't think they have enough to really be able to fend off opposing teams enough to catapult themselves into the top 5. Are they a good team? Yes. Are they a top 5 team? No.

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