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Jokinen is a UFA. Likely he signs elsewhere as a result of the recent signing of the Czech.
Iggy could fetch a decent roster player, a first and a decent prospect.
JayBo played well last year, just not 6 million well, he has a great first pass and can skate. In a more flowing offensive style he could put
up his FLA numbers again.
Depending on the team, could fetch an upper level prospect if the team he is moved to is close to competing. Add a pick, maybe a 2nd.
Kipper has the most value. For a team that is a goalie away, a 1rst, a solid top 6 or top 4 D, and a prospect.
Jarome Iginla
Miikka Kiprusoff Jay Bouwmeester
Olli Jokinen
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i think Giordano would be moved before Jaybo because gio does everything well but bouwmeester could definitely help teach young dmen (future draft picks) and help merge them into the nhl, plus i think gio's price tag is pretty desirable to a team with an internal cap/ or near the NHL cap
the Flames are not going to do a scorched earth rebuild, the team has been extremely vocal about it so you might as well give up suggesting it.
Why don't they get it though that they need to do it?How can you not to get it that the flames are not a playoff team, and are not going to have any success unless they do a scorched earth rebuild.
Wow Calgary
Massive facepalm
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Why don't they get it though that they need to do it?How can you be so dense not to get it that the flames are not a playoff team, and are not going to have any success unless they do a scorched earth rebuild.
Wow Calgary
Massive facepalm
the only "facepalm" is for you.
No team needs to do a scorched earth rebuild, all a team needs to do is draft well, make smart trades and make smart free agent signings.
To sell everything to intentionally become a bottom feeding loser is just stupid and goes against everything that sport exemplifies.
The Flames are actively getting younger, they are actively trying to improve their drafting (and scouting) and they are becoming more cost conscious than before. The is how they are rebuilding, and it is something they can and will do without throwing in the towel.
No team needs to do a scorched earth rebuild, all a team needs to do is draft well, make smart trades and make smart free agent signings.
To sell everything to intentionally become a bottom feeding loser is just stupid and goes against everything that sport exemplifies.
The Flames are actively getting younger, they are actively trying to improve their drafting (and scouting) and they are becoming more cost conscious than before. The is how they are rebuilding, and it is something they can and will do without throwing in the towel.
Pretty sure that scorched earth seems to be the prevailing model of rebuild in the NHL these days.
You can't tell me that what Pittsburgh, Chicago, or Edmonton have built with their abysmal years isn't totally worth it.
Pretty sure that scorched earth seems to be the prevailing model of rebuild in the NHL these days.
You can't tell me that what Pittsburgh, Chicago, or Edmonton have built with their abysmal years isn't totally worth it.
Chicago took the better part of a decade to fix their team, and I don't know of them selling off players to get worse, they were just a bad team that bottomed out.
Pittsburgh won a lottery to get the best player in the world.
Edmonton has not shown its worth it in any way what so ever.
Whole-sale Rebuilds are a thing of the past. Retooling is all thats needed to be done.
facepalm the fact that your a oilers fan instead. ok.
No whole-sale rebuilds are still very much the way to go. Look at the successful rebuilds throughout the last few years:
Pittsburgh
Chicago
Washington
St. Louis
Los Angeles
ALL of them were scorched Earth rebuilds. The only team you could even consider as having a "successful retool" is Ottawa, although their team's success can almost completely be attributed to the emergence of Erik Karlsson, and the Flames do not have any player with half as much potential as Erik Karlsson. And if any Flames fan tries to argue that Sven Bartschi is Calgary's Erik Karlsson, I can assure you everyone on the boards will be laughing at you.
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Chicago took the better part of a decade to fix their team, and I don't know of them selling off players to get worse, they were just a bad team that bottomed out.
Pittsburgh won a lottery to get the best player in the world.
Edmonton has not shown its worth it in any way what so ever.
Chicago did not win the cup until 3 years after the drafting of Patrick Kane.
Pittsburgh finished last in the Eastern Conference despite having an 102 point rookie Sidney Crosby, and did not win a cup until 4 years after drafting Crosby.
The Oilers have had Taylor Hall for 2 years, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins for 1 year, and Nail Yakupov hasn't even played yet. The Oilers will be fine.
Whole-sale Rebuilds are a thing of the past. Retooling is all thats needed to be done.
facepalm the fact that your a oilers fan instead. ok.
Agreed...
Although IMO, smart re-tooling for this flames group starts with re-allocating some, if not all, of the ~20M$ they have tied up in iggy, JBo & kipper...
As a core group, I think it's become clear enough that they aren't going to carry the flames to the cup. Flames have some nice complementary guys, but aside from baertschi (and maybe Reinhart), don't have any quality young players ready to b impact players while still on ELC.
Trading those 3 isn't automatically a "rebuild", they could reasonably get some quality young players ready to contribute now, while getting more $ to use either on ufa or in trade.
Although IMO, smart re-tooling for this flames group starts with re-allocating some, if not all, of the ~20M$ they have tied up in iggy, JBo & kipper...
As a core group, I think it's become clear enough that they aren't going to carry the flames to the cup. Flames have some nice complementary guys, but aside from baertschi (and maybe Reinhart), don't have any quality young players ready to b impact players while still on ELC.
Trading those 3 isn't automatically a "rebuild", they could reasonably get some quality young players ready to contribute now, while getting more $ to use either on ufa or in trade.
Umm, trading Iginla, Bouwmeester, and Kipper is a full scale rebuild...
No whole-sale rebuilds are still very much the way to go. Look at the successful rebuilds throughout the last few years:
Pittsburgh
Chicago
Washington
St. Louis
Los Angeles
ALL of them were scorched Earth rebuilds. The only team you could even consider as having a "successful retool" is Ottawa, although their team's success can almost completely be attributed to the emergence of Erik Karlsson, and the Flames do not have any player with half as much potential as Erik Karlsson. And if any Flames fan tries to argue that Sven Bartschi is Calgary's Erik Karlsson, I can assure you everyone on the boards will be laughing at you.
Chicago did not win the cup until 3 years after the drafting of Patrick Kane.
Pittsburgh finished last in the Eastern Conference despite having an 102 point rookie Sidney Crosby, and did not win a cup until 4 years after drafting Crosby.
The Oilers have had Taylor Hall for 2 years, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins for 1 year, and Nail Yakupov hasn't even played yet. The Oilers will be fine.
For every team that has success with a scorched earth rebuilds there are the other teams that have tried this and failed miserable - see Blue Jackets & Islanders
I know the Islanders are getting closer but they still haven't had a decent playoff appearance since 2002 and the Blue Jackets have never won a playoff game!
For every team that has success with a scorched earth rebuilds there are the other teams that have tried this and failed miserable - see Blue Jackets & Islanders
I know the Islanders are getting closer but they still haven't had a decent playoff appearance since 2002 and the Blue Jackets have never won a playoff game!
The Islanders have an owner who refuses to spend above the cap floor. Very few teams can be successful as a cap floor team. Columbus has the worst drafting and developing in the NHL and it's not even close. If they had even somewhat competent personnel, they'd have played more than 4 playoff games by now.
Did Ottawa go through a full-scale re-build? No... they re-tooled. You can find success without tearing the entire ship down. I would suspect the Flames are going to follow the Ottawa model.
The Islanders have an owner who refuses to spend above the cap floor. Very few teams can be successful as a cap floor team. Columbus has the worst drafting and developing in the NHL and it's not even close. If they had even somewhat competent personnel, they'd have played more than 4 playoff games by now.
So you are admitting you need more than a scorch earth team rebuild to be successful... Developing draft picks even if they are not top 5 i.e. not scorch earth is very important to creating a winning team... using that logic - earth scorched rebuild isn't really necessary then to create a winning team. See pretty much all the teams remaining in the playoffs aside from the Caps - not scorched earth rebuild teams but young teams that were developed properly and are enjoying that success = scorch earthed is not the only successful way to rebuild a hockey team
