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3rd overall draft pick in 2012 for Sean Couturier

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05-08-2012, 11:53 PM
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Couturier is the only thing we have that remotely resembles a shutdown forward. We can't afford to give him up.

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05-08-2012, 11:55 PM
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I MIGHT consider trading Sean for your 2012 1st and 2013 1st but that's it. Well, I'd probably have to accept a deal of Subban + 2012 1st for him but that's something thw Habs would never do. There is nothing of "fair market value" that anyone could offer the Flyers to entice them to trade Sean. It would take over payment and it's unlikely that any team would pay it. The Habs are better served just drafting their own future stars.

Now, if you want to talk to our scouting staff and potentially draft future studs like Giroux and Couturier then maybe a deal could be worked out.
should we add Carey Price also ?

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05-09-2012, 12:23 AM
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should we add Carey Price also ?
and take Bryzgalov(salary dump) just to even it out.

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Why would Philly ever trade a young Center that has proven he can play well in the NHL for an unknown player.
Anyone else find the irony in this?

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Anyone else find the irony in this?

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05-09-2012, 01:42 AM
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Anyone else find the irony in this?
Voracek was just a cap dump.

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Couturier > Carter

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05-09-2012, 06:06 AM
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Um, no thanks.


Flyers feel that Couturier might be the best player in that draft. You don't move that guy unless you have to. We're good.

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05-09-2012, 07:21 AM
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Counter offer:

JVR for MTL 3rd overall

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05-09-2012, 07:56 AM
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JVR for MTL 3rd overall
I'd even sweeten that a bit further as a Flyers fan--toss in an extra draft pick, and use the 3rd overall to take whichever of Murray or Dumba are available.

But it won't happen--setting aside value, I believe the OP was looking for a high-end young center.

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05-09-2012, 08:09 AM
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JVR for MTL 3rd overall
ya, I'd rather do this

Couturier isnt being moved

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JVR for MTL 3rd overall
Not a chance from the Habs. That pick could easily end up being better than JVR, plus keeping it is more salary cap friendly.

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Overpayment from Montreal's end. Montreal has the opportunity to draft a #1C. Couts will plateau as a great 2way #2c. You build around a #1c. Couturier is a younger version of Plek with less offensive ability

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05-09-2012, 08:24 AM
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Overpayment from Montreal's end. Montreal has the opportunity to draft a #1C. Couts will plateau as a great 2way #2c
If my crystal ball has Couts projecting to be a 70-80 point Selke canidate do you still call him a #2C? Projects as a 1B to me.

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Id rather just draft Murray or Gally and take our chances than pay what it would cost to get him.....

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What in the?????? That was a terrible comparison, and a wrong one at that.

I'm not sure if you can read and comprehend anything.

This is what was said:

"He's an underrated part of the reason as to why the Flyers were willing to trade both Richards and Cater and get away with it in the end."

If the Couturier was a reason the Flyers were "willing" to trade Richards and Carter, that leads one to believe that the Flyers knew they were going to get him, which is what the poster you incorrectly called out was saying.

It's a pretty simple concert, so maybe instead of reading an entire sentence, you should start reading some books.
Couturier wasn't supposed to fall this low, so no.

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If my crystal ball has Couts projecting to be a 70-80 point Selke canidate do you still call him a #2C? Projects as a 1B to me.
I'm pretty sure most on these boards could see that Giroux had a special offensive skill set when he first entered the league. I see couts and he has a special defensive skill set, nothing has indicated to me that he has the ability to ever come near an 80 point plateau. Regardless if he can be a 70-80p player down the road, then thats fantastic for the flyers. Montreal is better off drafting a Grigorenko/Galchenyuk and getting a skilled top 3 forward. Philly needs defense and goal tending, until that happens Couts wont be carrying them to the promise land. Obviously its all about drafting needs, and i can't see anything at #3 being of any value to philly unless Murray is available. In that case i'd make that move 10/10 times.

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If my crystal ball has Couts projecting to be a 70-80 point Selke canidate do you still call him a #2C? Projects as a 1B to me.
1B and 2A are the almost same thing. I think Couturier will at best be a #2 center. This is why...



What a beaut.

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05-09-2012, 08:46 AM
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I'm pretty sure most on these boards could see that Giroux had a special offensive skill set when he first entered the league. I see couts and he has a special defensive skill set, nothing has indicated to me that he has the ability to ever come near an 80 point plateau. Regardless if he can be a 70-80p player down the road, then thats fantastic for the flyers. Montreal is better off drafting a Grigorenko/Galchenyuk and getting a skilled top 3 forward. Philly needs defense and goal tending, until that happens Couts wont be carrying them to the promise land. Obviously its all about drafting needs, and i can't see anything at #3 being of any value to philly unless Murray is available. In that case i'd make that move 10/10 times.
I hear ya. We've got our #1 skilled center so the needs don't match. I'd personally take Couturier over both Gally/Grigs no matter what the situation of my team but that's a matter of opinion. They should all be great players, Couturier has already proven he can play in the league as a 19 year old amongst men, and that in itself holds value when talking about prospects.

Even if Murray were on the board for Couturier, and that is a heavy need at the moment for us, I still wouldn't pull the trigger. I'd move JVR+, Voracek+, Read+++, and I'd be hesitant but would consider moving Schenn as well.

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05-09-2012, 08:49 AM
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1B and 2A are the almost same thing. I think Couturier will at best be a #2 center. This is why...



What a beaut.
I guess the point I was trying to make was that a team can have 2 #1 centers.

Gally/Grigs would both be projected as #2 centers just like Couturier if they were on the Flyers.

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I MIGHT consider trading Sean for your 2012 1st and 2013 1st but that's it. Well, I'd probably have to accept a deal of Subban + 2012 1st for him but that's something thw Habs would never do. There is nothing of "fair market value" that anyone could offer the Flyers to entice them to trade Sean. It would take over payment and it's unlikely that any team would pay it. The Habs are better served just drafting their own future stars.

Now, if you want to talk to our scouting staff and potentially draft future studs like Giroux and Couturier then maybe a deal could be worked out.
I'm not sure Couturier would get you Subban alone, actually I'm pretty sure he wouldn't. And you're suggesting this year's 3rd overall on top of that? Yikes.


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JVR for MTL 3rd overall


Not sure if serious.

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There is absolutely no chance we're moving Couturier for anything short of daylight robbery in return. The 3rd overall?!? Don't make me laugh.

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I'm not sure Couturier would get you Subban alone, actually I'm pretty sure he wouldn't. And you're suggesting this year's 3rd overall on top of that? Yikes.
Couturier wouldn't get us Subban alone because we wouldn't even dream of offering it.

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Not sure if serious.
Sure the values off there, but think of JVR like jake voracek, who has turned into one of our better players.

My best offer would be:

JVR
Our 1st
Carle's Rights If you want (valued at about a 3rd/4th rounder)
Some Lower Prospect

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