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05-08-2012, 10:48 AM
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X and O thoughts about the Predators system

For those of you more X and O oriented, i'm curious as to what you think about a couple of aspects of the Predators system.

1) We are one of the only teams in the league to use a man defensive system. With the emphasis on blocked shots that teams like Phoenix and New York are having great success with, are we missing the boat here? Man systems may allow some blocks from the point by the man defender, but it is difficult to generate the multiple blockers that we saw Phoenix utilize in our series. You may recall that we didn't fare well against New York either this year. In general, I thought that our point shots were coming way too late, because the second or two we took to make a decision to shoot from the point were enough to put the blockers into position.

2) I understand that Coach Trotz wants his centers to be very defensively responsible, but I am just not sold on either Legwand or Fisher in a scoring line roles. To me, these guys are prototypical very high quality lower line centers that could give other teams scoring lines fits and make lower lines into scoring threats as well as good defensively. I could even see playing them on the same line so that two faceoff options would be present on a 3rd line for instance. One could do the same thing with Spaling and Gausted on the 4th line. Looking at what we lost from this team, I would say that that Marcel Goc is the player we miss the most. Scoring line centers of Wilson and Goc would have offered a lot more creativity then we are getting now as a compliment to our scoring forwards.

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X-I think are defensive system is to conservative. We have a couple of guys (Spaling, Toots, Hali) who can forecheck well while the other team is exiting there zone. IMO we should work on that and be more aggressive. With one of the best in net and a solid D are fowards should be more aggressive. Are forwards look timid when they are in the offensive zone and do more skating around pointlessly and passing the puck way to much. It's like they are afraid to take a shot unless the other team is infront of them and they can be defensively responsible to.

O-Are offense needs a complete overhaul at the top. A serious need for players who can skate the puck into the zone and pass effectively, players who are going to shoot the puck and drive for a rebound, players who can retrieve a pass without it deflecting off their stick or looking like "oh crap" i am getting the puck what do i do now??
A tweek in system were Trotz realizes that offense is the best defense and that the only defensive players who should be joining the play deep in the zone are Weber and Ellis. Two guys who have a legit shot to score or make a smart offensive play the others should stay back and play defense not forcing one of are fowards or center to cover for them.

Misc- GET A PASSING AND SHOOTING SPECIALIST WITH THE GUYS BEFORE NEXT SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Did anyone else...

Get incredibly frustrated every time one of our players would ring the puck around the boards only to have a Yote just posted up on the half-boards waiting on the puck to get to them so they could immediately look to center back in for a shot?

This happened probably 100 times in this series and it absolutely made me want to throw up every time. Why our guys couldn't recognize this very obvious coaching point that PHX had been drilled on is very disappointing, although not as disturbing as the fact that our COACHES couldn't recognize it either...

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Get incredibly frustrated every time one of our players would ring the puck around the boards only to have a Yote just posted up on the half-boards waiting on the puck to get to them so they could immediately look to center back in for a shot?

This happened probably 100 times in this series and it absolutely made me want to throw up every time. Why our guys couldn't recognize this very obvious coaching point that PHX had been drilled on is very disappointing, although not as disturbing as the fact that our COACHES couldn't recognize it either...
There is no doubt that the predators are very oriented towards the safer plays along the boards breaking out rather than utilizing the middle. It has been a point of some frustration for me since over-reliance on it makes us way to predictable. I thought in the last game that we used the middle more and were somewhat successful at it.

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X-I think are defensive system is to conservative. We have a couple of guys (Spaling, Toots, Hali) who can forecheck well while the other team is exiting there zone. IMO we should work on that and be more aggressive. With one of the best in net and a solid D are fowards should be more aggressive. Are forwards look timid when they are in the offensive zone and do more skating around pointlessly and passing the puck way to much. It's like they are afraid to take a shot unless the other team is infront of them and they can be defensively responsible to.

O-Are offense needs a complete overhaul at the top. A serious need for players who can skate the puck into the zone and pass effectively, players who are going to shoot the puck and drive for a rebound, players who can retrieve a pass without it deflecting off their stick or looking like "oh crap" i am getting the puck what do i do now??
A tweek in system were Trotz realizes that offense is the best defense and that the only defensive players who should be joining the play deep in the zone are Weber and Ellis. Two guys who have a legit shot to score or make a smart offensive play the others should stay back and play defense not forcing one of are fowards or center to cover for them.

Misc- GET A PASSING AND SHOOTING SPECIALIST WITH THE GUYS BEFORE NEXT SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our forecheck is not conservative at all, in fact, I'd certainly put it in the top 5 with respect to aggression in the league. With respect to aggression with the puck in the offensive zone, I agree to an extent, but I think a lot of it has to do with offensive creativity and forward combinations that appear to be geared more towards offensive /defensive balance rather than meshing offensive player talents. I liked how our defense jumped in last night, but I didn't like our waiting to shoot from the point and I especially didn't like how long our defensemen would take to cover their point responsibilities after a change. (this has been a point of irritation for me all season as sustained zone pressure would be lost by defensemen not hustling to the bench or coming off the bench).

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Our forecheck is not conservative at all, in fact, I'd certainly put it in the top 5 with respect to aggression in the league. With respect to aggression with the puck in the offensive zone, I agree to an extent, but I think a lot of it has to do with offensive creativity and forward combinations that appear to be geared more towards offensive /defensive balance rather than meshing offensive player talents. I liked how our defense jumped in last night, but I didn't like our waiting to shoot from the point and I especially didn't like how long our defensemen would take to cover their point responsibilities after a change. (this has been a point of irritation for me all season as sustained zone pressure would be lost by defensemen not hustling to the bench or coming off the bench).
Sorry but Legwand taking a poke at someone is not aggressive forecheck. What the Yotes did to us is aggressive. They trapped are guy with the puck or forced a turnover who knows how many times. I could probably count on one hand the times that are checking forward got the puck away before they entered the offensive zone or caused a turnover in the neutral zone in a planned breakout. Teams get into are zone with ease on a very regular basis so i am not sure what you are seeing.

I like the D getting involved to but when Bulls, Klein, and Gill pinch and it causes AK,Wilson, or Erat to have to drop back to cover him it takes skill guys out of doing what they are supposed to do into playing defense. IMO unless it is Weber, Suter, or Ellis who have the legit ability to make something happen they should just stay back instead of causing a crap storm if the other team gets possession of the puck while they are pinching down.

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Get incredibly frustrated every time one of our players would ring the puck around the boards only to have a Yote just posted up on the half-boards waiting on the puck to get to them so they could immediately look to center back in for a shot?

This happened probably 100 times in this series and it absolutely made me want to throw up every time. Why our guys couldn't recognize this very obvious coaching point that PHX had been drilled on is very disappointing, although not as disturbing as the fact that our COACHES couldn't recognize it either...
Yeah it was clearly shut down and i am not sure why they kept going to it. Well, i know why because Trotz thinks his guys are going to win a battle on the boards. Lol SK is a shining example of failure in that thinking. What made me want to pull my hair out is the preds would just skate around in circles with the puck like a teamate was going to get open just standing there. Two guys back and forth behind each other. The whole purpose of that is to find an open man driving to the net which rarely happened or to spin, shoot, and crash the net. Another example of not having the mindset to take a shot and battle for a rebound. Looking for the point shot from Weber and Suter way to much.

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Sorry but Legwand taking a poke at someone is not aggressive forecheck. What the Yotes did to us is aggressive. They trapped are guy with the puck or forced a turnover who knows how many times. I could probably count on one hand the times that are checking forward got the puck away before they entered the offensive zone or caused a turnover in the neutral zone in a planned breakout. Teams get into are zone with ease on a very regular basis so i am not sure what you are seeing.

I like the D getting involved to but when Bulls, Klein, and Gill pinch and it causes AK,Wilson, or Erat to have to drop back to cover him it takes skill guys out of doing what they are supposed to do into playing defense. IMO unless it is Weber, Suter, or Ellis who have the legit ability to make something happen they should just stay back instead of causing a crap storm if the other team gets possession of the puck while they are pinching down.
I definitely agree with you about Legwand. He plays area denial rather than an aggressive physical forecheck. We give up the zone too easily mostly as a result of playing a man-to man. Zone teams can have zones of responsibility at the blue line and can stand up other teams much more reliably.

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I definitely agree with you about Legwand. He plays area denial rather than an aggressive physical forecheck. We give up the zone too easily mostly as a result of playing a man-to man. Zone teams can have zones of responsibility at the blue line and can stand up other teams much more reliably.
Its not just him a lot of are players skate around with their stick poked out while the other team is breaking out. That to me is not aggressive nor should we be considered top 5 in that catagory. I would say bottom 10. I know we have a great goalie and decent defense responsibility but why hand 85% of the ice to the other team.

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Get incredibly frustrated every time one of our players would ring the puck around the boards only to have a Yote just posted up on the half-boards waiting on the puck to get to them so they could immediately look to center back in for a shot?

This happened probably 100 times in this series and it absolutely made me want to throw up every time. Why our guys couldn't recognize this very obvious coaching point that PHX had been drilled on is very disappointing, although not as disturbing as the fact that our COACHES couldn't recognize it either...
this is more due to the wings not being committed to a breakout. Yip was terrible at this, and Rads cherry picking. These 2 account for a good 50-60 percent of what you are talking about

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