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05-08-2012, 12:14 PM
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Goals Scored at North and South Ends

I sit in 214, you know, the "we shoot twice" end. While I couldn't be happier about the results, it seemed like most of the goals are being scored far away, at the north end.

Today's nerd project: find out how many goals have been scored at the far end vs. near end in the six home games I have attended. This was easy enough to check by pasting line scores into a spreadsheet. The first thing it reveals is just how good we’ve been in the 2nd, and how bad 3rd periods have gone. Summing the rows gives the number of goals at each end. It shows that both the Coyotes and their opponents are fond of scoring at the far away north end of the arena. I have only been able to see five Coyote goals under my nose in all those games.


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05-08-2012, 12:23 PM
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Yeah I am on that end to and I saw a few goals but for the most part, all the dramatic shots occurred away from me so I usually had no idea what was going on.

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05-08-2012, 12:24 PM
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It seems my tix in 217 paid off.

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I sat in 223 last night. All the goals were scored at my end. Guess it wasn't so bad to sit in the "Smith saves twice" end.

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I sat in 223 last night. All the goals were scored at my end. Guess it wasn't so bad to sit in the "Smith saves twice" end.
i went with 121 for that reason, figured i'd have a better time watching smith make saves twice

have to wonder if this has anything to do with the long line changes in the second (and first ot)

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05-08-2012, 01:18 PM
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Yeah, the "Coyotes shoot twice" end hasn't worked out so great for me this post-season. But it's all good so long as they are winning. I've missed a few great moments -- like the puck that Vrby put between Rinne's legs for Hanzal's goal. I had no idea what happened. And the play where Roszival got a puck back off a body was a mystery to me. But I don't mind not seeing Coyotes goals, so long as they go in. It's having a great seat to see the visitors score that I hate, like the Hawks in game 2.

One interesting thing is that the seats behind the north goal often are the last to sell, so there are visiting fans back there. Chicago fans got an up close view of the Hanzal goal in game 1.

Back in the day, if memory serves, they did not change ends in OT but played the same for all OT periods. I guess the theory was that having the bench closer to the offensive zone is an anomaly, not "pure hockey," and should be limited to 20 minutes per game total.

It's actually more than an academic issue. Goals like the one Hanzal scored last night really can only be scored in the second period or in the odd numbered overtimes. If the offensive zone had been the Yotes shoot twice end, there's no way Chip holds the puck long enough for Hanzal to get to the offensive zone. In the second period, you really need to come off the bench with your stick on the ice, which is exactly what Hanzal did there. The bottom line is that it tends to make second periods seem a bit more offensive and the first and third a bit more defensive, but I don't know whether stats back that up.

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05-08-2012, 01:38 PM
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Same here, I always go for the 2x attach zone and it doesn't pay off. I'm curious to see what the stats are for the season in that regard. I might have to check it out and report back to you guys because I am strong considering a season ticket package.

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05-08-2012, 01:44 PM
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Same here, I always go for the 2x attach zone and it doesn't pay off. I'm curious to see what the stats are for the season in that regard. I might have to check it out and report back to you guys because I am strong considering a season ticket package.
Oh, over the course of the regular season there's no doubt you want the 2x end. Way more goals are scored there than the other end. Plus, they don't change sides in overtime or for the shootout in the regular year.

This post-season has been a small sample size and I don't think reflective of the full year.

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05-08-2012, 07:24 PM
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The Coyotes come out with a defensive plan, adjust in the 2nd (hence the goals) and then lock it down in the 3rd. Probably would explain the 2nd period bias.

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I sit in the middle, so this is irrelevant for me. I personally can't stand looking a few hundred feet away to the other goal, attack or defend twice.

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I think I was conditioned on the up-down view from all the years of playing EA Sports NHL while a teen and adult. To this day if I play I put it back to that old school view.

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I was bored and had nothing better to do, so I went through all 41 home regular season games.

10/15 vs. Winnipeg: 4 south end goals, 1 north end goal
10/18 vs. Chicago: 2 south end goals, 5 north end goals
10/20 vs. Los Angeles: 2 south end goals, 0 north end goals
10/25 vs. Dallas: 2 south end goals, 2 north end goals
10/27 vs. New Jersey: 4 south end goals, 4 north end goals
10/29 vs. Los Angeles: 2 south end goals, 3 north end goals
11/3 vs. Nashville: 1 south end goal, 2 north end goals
11/5 vs. Edmonton: 2 south end goals, 4 north end goals
11/10 vs. Montreal: 4 south end goals, 1 north end goal
11/23 vs. Anaheim: 3 south end goals, 3 north end goals
11/25 vs. Vancouver: 2 south end goals, 3 north end goals
11/26 vs. Dallas: 2 south end goals, 1 north end goal
12/03 vs. Philadelphia: 1 south end goal, 5 north end goals
12/10 vs. Minnesota: 2 south end goals, 3 north end goals
12/15 vs. Edmonton: 4 south end goals, 2 north end goals
12/17 vs. NY Rangers: 1 south end goal, 4 north end goals
12/23 vs. St. Louis: 3 south end goals, 2 north end goals
12/28 vs. Boston: 1 south end goal, 2 north end goals
1/7 vs. NY Islanders: 2 south end goals, 4 north end goals
1/16 vs. Colorado: 4 south end goals, 3 north end goals
1/19 vs. Detroit: 3 south end goals, 1 north end goal
1/21 vs. Tampa Bay: 4 south end goals, 3 north end goals
1/24 vs. Ottawa: 3 south end goals, 2 north end goals
1/31 vs. Anaheim: 4 south end goals, 1 north end goal
2/4 vs. San Jose: 4 south end goals, 4 north end goals
2/6 vs. Detroit: 3 south end goals, 1 north end goal
2/9 vs. Calgary: 2 south end goals, 1 north end goal
2/11 vs. Chicago: 2 south end goals, 1 north end goal
2/18 vs. Dallas: 3 south end goals, 0 north end goals
2/21 vs. Los Angeles: 3 south end goals, 6 north end goals
2/28 vs. Vancouver: 1 south end goal, 1 north end goal
3/1 vs. Calgary: 0 south end goals, 6 north end goals
3/3 vs. Columbus: 1 south end goal, 6 north end goals
3/8 vs. Minnesota: 2 south end goals, 2 north end goals
3/10 vs. San Jose: 1 south end goal, 2 north end goals
3/12 vs. Nashville: 4 south end goals, 4 north end goals
3/22 vs. Colorado: 2 south end goals, 3 north end goals
3/25 vs. St. Louis: 1 south end goal, 3 north end goals
3/29 vs. San Jose: 1 south end goal, 1 north end goal
3/31 vs. Anaheim: 1 south end goal, 3 north end goals
4/3 vs. Columbus: 0 south end goals, 2 north end goals


Edit: If I added it up right, that makes 93 goals scored at the south end and 107 scored at the north end this past regular season.

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05-08-2012, 11:55 PM
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If I added it up right, that makes 93 goals scored at the south end and 107 scored at the north end this past regular season.
Good work, but is that just Coyotes goals? Does that include SO goals?

The game that stands out is the 2/21 LA game which ended 5-4 Yotes.

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Good work, but is that just Coyotes goals? Does that include SO goals?

The game that stands out is the 2/21 LA game which ended 5-4 Yotes.
It's total goals for both teams and does not include shootouts.

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It's total goals for both teams and does not include shootouts.
Ok, I did the numbers for the Yotes.

In home games, they scored;

25 goals in the first period

26 46 goals in the second

22 31 goals in the third

4 3 goals in OT; and

7 goals in SO.

So, that breaks down to 26 46 goals on the north end and 58 66 goals on the south end.


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Good work.

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Nicely done, thanks for saving me the time. I was looking for somewhere that might have had the data available easily, but no such luck.

It's definitely worth the attack 2x zone during the regular season then, it looks like a 2-1 advantage in goals scored.

Last time I was a STH they had this ticket exchange plan, now they apparently have a watered down version of it. It was nice because I was able to re-configure my season ticket plan to only go to the games I wanted to. If they did that again I think I would almost certainly purchase season tickets again, but I am not going to be able to attend all 41 games.

I wish I would have thought of it sooner, but if I had bought season tickets for next year at the start of the playoffs I would have saved enough to pay for the season tickets next year probably. Even if we go to 7 games in the next two series with 4 games at home each series, I would save about $800. I'll probably call the ticket rep today and make sure there is nothing else that makes sense for me.

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Ok, I did the numbers for the Yotes.

In home games, they scored;

25 goals in the first period

26 goals in the second

22 goals in the third

4 goals in OT; and

7 goals in SO.

So, that breaks down to 26 goals on the north end and 58 goals on the south end.
Good work. Numbers seem low, though. Did we really score fewer than 2 goals per game at home? My guess is the ratio is spot on.

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Good work. Numbers seem low, though. Did we really score fewer than 2 goals per game at home? My guess is the ratio is spot on.
You're right, I really shouldn't be doing stats while half asleep. Somehow I messed up autosum in Excel...

There were 105 goals scored at home, not including SO goals.

25 in the first,

46 in the second,

31 in the third,

3 in OT, and

7 in the SO.

So, the real totals are 46 scored on the north side and 66 scored on the south side.

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That's really good info. I would have predicted about the same number of goals in each period -- maybe a few less in the third -- but the numbers are pretty surprising. It looks like more than 40 percent are scored in the second period.

It could be an indicator of how the Yotes play, and it would be interesting to see if it's also true league-wide. It probably actually does give some credence to those who suggest that the proximity of the bench to the offensive zone in the second period increases scoring.

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