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Series Discussion: Devils v. Flyers - 2nd Round - Part 2

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Depends what you call "it". While this is certainly true, this team still hasn`t developed that killer instinct. Some players need to mature, other just don`t have it.


I hope we can fix this soon. I truly believe it will be fixed.
I may just be overcinfident...

but last night they defintiely showed that killer instinct. They tied the game up and survived the initial pushback from the Flyers, which was expected. Then they potted anohter one with a relentless forecheck. After that, I expected them to sit back and just try to hold on and instead they were able to seal the deal with two more goals.

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Setting a franchise record in wins despite losing Brodeur for much of the season isn't resiliency?

I loved that 09 team. They would have done damage in the playoffs but some real bad luck changed that.
It's just hard to explain. During the 4 month span when the team was dominant, it was an absolute treat to watch. We had so many players play above their heads, and having it all happen at the same time made it legit force. The only real underachiever was Rolston. By the time the playoffs rolled around, we saw the team back to playing to their normal levels.

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This team's forward depth is miles ahead of the 09 team and I like the D better but what makes me more confident is just what you said. This team has great character and camaraderie. It just has "it".

It doesn't phase me that we're playing the Flyers. I was ******** my pants in 2010. I may have caught some of that overconfidence that the Flyers fans have.
Exactly. I can't put my finger on it, but I like this team more than 2009 for sure.

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Bryzgalov regular season vs NJ; 3-0 2so 0.29GAA .987SV%

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I may just be overcinfident...

but last night they defintiely showed that killer instinct. They tied the game up and survived the initial pushback from the Flyers, which was expected. Then they potted anohter one with a relentless forecheck. After that, I expected them to sit back and just try to hold on and instead they were able to seal the deal with two more goals.
They wasted too many chances before Bryzgalov gave up one. They don`t have it... yet.

Also, while they definitely showed they are capable of playing this style of hockey, you just have to admit Flyers were not at their best yesterday.

Don`t expect them to come up with such a poor effort again. The real test will come tomorrow.

I want a proof first. One game isn`t going to change my opinion, especially considering what I just said above.

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They wasted too many chances before Bryzgalov gave up one. They don`t have it... yet.

Also, while they definitely showed they are capable of playing this style of hockey, you just have to admit Flyers were not at their best yesterday. Don`t expect them to come up with such a poor effort again. The real test will come tomorrow.
Every team has this "problem". Even the Flyers.

There's a reason why strong defensive minded teams own the Flyers this year. They just don't do well against them. The Devils are more responsible for the Flyers effort than the Flyers were. The Devils weren't at their best in game 1 either. It went to OT.

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They wasted too many chances before Bryzgalov gave up one. They don`t have it... yet.

Also, while they definitely showed they are capable of playing this style of hockey, you just have to admit Flyers were not at their best yesterday.

Don`t expect them to come up with such a poor effort again. The real test will come tomorrow.

I want a proof first. One game isn`t going to change my opinion, especially considering what I just said above.
Really? Then no team has "killer instinct" then.

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They wasted too many chances before Bryzgalov gave up one. They don`t have it... yet.

Also, while they definitely showed they are capable of playing this style of hockey, you just have to admit Flyers were not at their best yesterday.

Don`t expect them to come up with such a poor effort again. The real test will come tomorrow.

I want a proof first. One game isn`t going to change my opinion, especially considering what I just said above.
I'm thinking that our style of play is what is making the Flyers look so "poor". There are natural peaks and valleys in every game and both teams have haid stretches of solid (maybe dominant) play but at no point in these two games so far has Philly looked even remotely close to how they did in the Pens series.

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This team needs to be better at holding leads. Simple as that.
This isn't a problem that's exclusive to the Devils. Every single playoff team has blown significant leads in their series.

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I think it is the "Team" thing that makes this bunch so likable. It is a good mix of youth and experience. Everyone has bought into the system, no one is making waves or putting themselves over the team. They just work and do the best with what they have. Last night is a great example, you know Larsson didn't like being benched for this long, but he didn't pout or phone it in being fed up with things. He waited and made the most of his opportunity.

Guys not letting the bright lights get in the way either. Look at Baby Gio, guy isn't playing nervous, he is playing hard and trying to make the most of his chance right now. Marty's little rivalry with Clarkson, Robinson giving Larsson that little back rub, the team just dog-piling Sal after scoring that ENG. They got some contagious good energy, impossible not to like.

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I'm thinking that our style of play is what is making the Flyers look so "poor". There are natural peaks and valleys in every game and both teams have haid stretches of solid (maybe dominant) play but at no point in these two games so far has Philly looked even remotely close to how they did in the Pens series.
That is evident by the fact that the "World's Greatest Player" hasn't gotten a point in 5 on 5 play.

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don cherry on coach's corner just verified what elias was yelling at/shoving volch about last night. henrique and talbot were scrumming a little bit back in the NJ zone (harmless with two officials in between), but nonetheless patty was motioning for volch to go help the "kid".

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This isn't a problem that's exclusive to the Devils. Every single playoff team has blown significant leads in their series.
Obviously not, but the Devils need to get better about it if they want to advance and win.

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don cherry on coach's corner just verified what elias was yelling at/shoving volch about last night. henrique and talbot were scrumming a little bit back in the NJ zone (harmless with two officials in between), but nonetheless patty was motioning for volch to go help the "kid".
That's awesome. Love seeing the veterans look out for the rookies.

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That is evident by the fact that the "World's Greatest Player" hasn't gotten a point in 5 on 5 play.
The Devils have completely shut that line down.

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I think the difference is the lack of Richards and Carter and especially Pronger who knows how to play well against the Devils. This Flyers team is still good but lacks the veteran smarts and poise.

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That is evident by the fact that the "World's Greatest Player" hasn't gotten a point in 5 on 5 play.
It needs to stay that way. He can burn us at any time.

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That is evident by the fact that the "World's Greatest Player" hasn't gotten a point in 5 on 5 play.
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don cherry on coach's corner just verified what elias was yelling at/shoving volch about last night. henrique and talbot were scrumming a little bit back in the NJ zone (harmless with two officials in between), but nonetheless patty was motioning for volch to go help the "kid".
Came here to post that. Was wondering what Elias was hot about, was funny seeing him push and yell at Volchenkov.

Not much to say about the series, it's tight and entertaining, can't wait for tomorrow.

5 down
11 to go

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I look at this Devils team, and then I laugh at reports on Carolina pursuing Parise. If Zach Parise leaves the Devils for Carolina he wants money plain, and simple. I doubt he would go there. Montreal, Minnesota, and Carolina I can see giving him the most absurd deals. Two teams that have been perennial losers for the last 3-4 seasons, and Montreal who is usually a playoff team, but finished DEAD last this year in the Conference.

If Zach wants to win a Cup this Devils team gives him the best chance. I think this team could very well be close to a Cup contending team. Might not be this year, but I can see this team being a Cup contending team in the next year or two. Even with guys like Sykora, Marty, and Patty, and even Zubrus.

A player like Parise gives Carolina a chance to be a playoff contending team at best. He gives the Devils a chance to be a Championship team with a second season under Deboer, and his system, a 4th line without goons, Kovy, a full season of Zajac, and even the vets.

The Devils have the best chance at winning the Cup out of any team in the Eastern Conference in the next year or two aside from teams with stacked payrolls that won't get him.

Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Rags, Boston, Caps. All good teams, but none of those teams have the cap space for him. If they did they would have to purge a lot of the middle salary players, and fill them with AHL entry level guys.

Only Eastern Conference teams with a decent chance of winning I think next year or even after that aren't these stacked teams who clearly can't afford him this off season are Florida, and Ottawa, and us I think more so. Nashville or Detroit is the only other place I can see him playing.

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St Louis has ample space. I can see Zach going there being the season they had, and they really don't have big name goal scoring. Maybe he'd wanna play with Jamie. I doubt Jamie is even back with them next year. There was talk of him being traded out of St Louis at the deadline.

I think if we keep Zach, don't play goons, learn how to clear the zone a little, and Marty can play as good as he did second half of the season we can be a Cup contending team next year if it's not this year. Provided everyone is healthy. We may be able to challenge for the division title again too.

Bottom line Zach makes Carolina a playoff contending team.

Minnesota a 10th place contending team.

Montreal an 11th place contending team.

Devils a Cup contending team.

I don't see him going anywhere in the East if he leaves unless he isn't concerned about winning. The only other competitive teams have not enough cap space for him, and no significant contracts coming off.

With Semin, and Vokoun's contracts coming off the Caps might be able to make a run, and put a bid in.


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I'm not going to get on the whole shutting down the great 28 thing just yet. That team can turn around and drop a 5 spot on NJ tomorrow. Go win game 3 at home and put more pressure on them. Yesterday's impressive road win mean nothings if you can win the first game at home.

That said, this series could easily be 2-0 NJ, not 0-2, so my faith isn't shaken.

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I'm not going to get on the whole shutting down the great 28 thing just yet. That team can turn around and drop a 5 spot on NJ tomorrow. Go win game 3 at home and put more pressure on them. Yesterday's impressive road win mean nothings if you can win the first game at home.

That said, this series could easily be 2-0 NJ, not 0-2, so my faith isn't shaken.
A couple JYZ softies, a couple good high quality chances, and not letting the game get out of control on the other end, and we've got a good chance.

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