If Holmgren decides to go all 2010 on this offseason, what can we expect?
-Ignore obvious needs; do other stuff
-Sign Carle for more than he deserves for longer than is reasonable
-Trade Timonen for a 6th rounder and AHLer
-Sign Semin, using what remains of the cap we want Suter to occupy.
-"Second Chance" player, probably to replace Timonen. Who's around?
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This offseason does plan to be very interesting! I don't believe the Flyers will blow up like they did last year but do see some tweaks coming from them. I'm still worried about Pronger, but until it is said he can't play again, then I won't count him out.
As for Weber, he's a restricted free agent eligible for UFA status in 2013.
If the Predators decide they can only retain one of the two and re-sign Suter, it's rumored they’ll shop Weber this summer.
I would love Weber 10000000x more than Suter. Although I don't think they will lose both it could be interesting if Weber is made available in the offseason. You have to think the Flyers would be extremely interested.(along with every team in the NHL of course though)
Next season’s cap is projected at $69 million, but the present CBA will expire this September, so, that could change. Holmgren said his club will proceed with “business as usual” this summer.
One Board of Governor told CSNPhilly.com earlier this month that “all the big-money” clubs will “max out” on the cap because if the league has to adjust under the next CBA, it will do so across the board and not penalize the top spenders.
There probably wouldn't be a bonus cushion for next year but if the cap goes north of 69 million the Flyers could become big players for Suter. Just thought these two were interesting reads. Like I said, the off season should be fun!
There probably wouldn't be a bonus cushion for next year but if the cap goes north of 69 million the Flyers could become big players for Suter. Just thought these two were interesting reads. Like I said, the off season should be fun!
Why not?
Under the current rules, the only time it doesn't exist is when there's an option to re-negotiate the CBA.
Unless they plan on having an option to re-negotiate after one season, it will likely exist.
Let's do some heavy pretending for a minute: Flyers get Weber, Pronger makes full recovery.
Just savor that thought. And now cry, because it's so incredibly unlikely, and also probably impossible cap-wise
we would be about 3 mil short . Someone else goes, probably mez.
I'm not thinking pronger is back anytime soon. Of course this largely hinges on the contract weber gets, and expecting voracek to be resigned and what he gets...
If we trade a young forward for a young d man our situation may improve cap wise...in the event pronger returns..
I read somewhere that that cap is expected to jump up to 68-69 million for next season, which is pure speculation since there isnt even a CBA for next year yet. This would give the Flyers prior to resigns $6.7mil in space.
All this amnesty talk about the next CBA has got me thinking that Kimmo might be the right guy to Amnesty. He's got a $6.3mil cap hit with only $3mil due to be paid with a NMC. The guy will be 38 towards the end of next season and didnt look healthy down the stretch. with his 6.3 plus Pronger's 4.9 from LTIR, that will give the flyers very hefty cap space to be able to resign Voracek(~3mil), Harry Z(~1.2mil), Sestito(~>1mil), Bourdon(~1mil), Carle (~3.5)and make a nice offer to Suter(8 mil in cap space after earlier resigns).
I read somewhere that that cap is expected to jump up to 68-69 million for next season, which is pure speculation since there isnt even a CBA for next year yet. This would give the Flyers prior to resigns $6.7mil in space.
All this amnesty talk about the next CBA has got me thinking that Kimmo might be the right guy to Amnesty. He's got a $6.3mil cap hit with only $3mil due to be paid with a NMC. The guy will be 38 towards the end of next season and didnt look healthy down the stretch. with his 6.3 plus Pronger's 4.9 from LTIR, that will give the flyers very hefty cap space to be able to resign Voracek(~3mil), Harry Z(~1.2mil), Sestito(~>1mil), Bourdon(~1mil), Carle (~3.5)and make a nice offer to Suter(8 mil in cap space after earlier resigns).
I read somewhere that that cap is expected to jump up to 68-69 million for next season, which is pure speculation since there isnt even a CBA for next year yet. This would give the Flyers prior to resigns $6.7mil in space.
Just to address this point. The cap WILL go up this offseason because the new TV contract has raised revenue. That really isn't in dispute. However, that cap would still be under the old CBA, which doesn't expire till later in the summer. Everything that's coming out from the owners is that when the new CBA goes into effect, and the player's revenue % is decided, the cap will be lowered back down to the level it was at this year, and possibly even more.
So come the opening of free agency, the salary cap GM's have to operate with will likely be about 68-69 million, with teams allowed to exceed that cap by 10% (roughly 76 million). But come the start of the season, its very likely it will be back down to around 64 million, possibly even less. Its hard to know how exactly the negotiations play out, so we can't really be sure what the cap will be at the beginning of the season.
If Holmgren decides to go all 2010 on this offseason, what can we expect?
-Ignore obvious needs; do other stuff
-Sign Carle for more than he deserves for longer than is reasonable
-Trade Timonen for a 6th rounder and AHLer
-Sign Semin, using what remains of the cap we want Suter to occupy.
-"Second Chance" player, probably to replace Timonen. Who's around?
I'd take all that crap if u switched semin for parise
Just to address this point. The cap WILL go up this offseason because the new TV contract has raised revenue. That really isn't in dispute. However, that cap would still be under the old CBA, which doesn't expire till later in the summer. Everything that's coming out from the owners is that when the new CBA goes into effect, and the player's revenue % is decided, the cap will be lowered back down to the level it was at this year, and possibly even more.
So come the opening of free agency, the salary cap GM's have to operate with will likely be about 68-69 million, with teams allowed to exceed that cap by 10% (roughly 76 million). But come the start of the season, its very likely it will be back down to around 64 million, possibly even less. Its hard to know how exactly the negotiations play out, so we can't really be sure what the cap will be at the beginning of the season.
Your analysis is spot-on, I think, but I don't see the players giving back that much money. Why should they?
More likely, I think, is a tweak in the relationship between the cap and the floor. I'd be pretty surprised if the players gave significantly from their cut of the revenues.
Just to address this point. The cap WILL go up this offseason because the new TV contract has raised revenue. That really isn't in dispute. However, that cap would still be under the old CBA, which doesn't expire till later in the summer. Everything that's coming out from the owners is that when the new CBA goes into effect, and the player's revenue % is decided, the cap will be lowered back down to the level it was at this year, and possibly even more.
So come the opening of free agency, the salary cap GM's have to operate with will likely be about 68-69 million, with teams allowed to exceed that cap by 10% (roughly 76 million). But come the start of the season, its very likely it will be back down to around 64 million, possibly even less. Its hard to know how exactly the negotiations play out, so we can't really be sure what the cap will be at the beginning of the season.
Well, $64m is probably a safe bet if you assume that the owners won't be able to get the players below 50%.
If the reported upper limit is correct, the revenues should be somewhere around $3.375b according to my calculations, which means that 50% would put the upper limit right around $64m under the current method used to calculate the cap.
Also, even though $69m has been reported lately as the temporary upper limit, it's likely going to be $72m.
$69m is before applying the 5% escalator that the PA has the option of activating.
While it's not a sure thing, the PA has always voted in favor of the escalator.
If the upper limit ends up being $72m, the summer limit will be almost $80m.
What happens if teams end up spending to the temporary limit and ends up being over the cap when the new CBA is in place?
It's impossible to know for sure, but this was reported yesterday:
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One Board of Governor told CSNPhilly.com earlier this month that “all the big-money” clubs will “max out” on the cap because if the league has to adjust under the next CBA, it will do so across the board and not penalize the top spenders.
If Weber would become available I would think the Flyers would be all over it. Meltzer believes so as well. This is all mentioned after Nashville(if) they resign Suter. I know it's not probable to happen but Homer has the balls to make these kind of moves.
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Could I see the Flyers making a blockbuster trade this summer for the soon-to-be 27-year-old Weber? Yes, I could. Consider all of the following factors:
1) The aforementioned need for a top-pairing defenseman for the long haul
2) Philadelphia's well-established history of making bold moves
3) The good working relationship and frequent trades between the Flyers' Holmgren and the Predators' David Poile
4) The depth Philadelphia has to offer in a trade
5) The large amount of salary cap space that will open up for Philadelphia when Timonen's contract expires next summer.
Weber, with his booming right-handed shot, physical style of play, size and relative youth is exactly the type of player the Flyers need to step onto their top pairing and better compete with the New York Rangers' extremely deep and talented blueline for years to come.
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I would think that Claude Giroux and, to a lesser extent, Sean Couturier would be the players the Flyers would consider deal-breakers. Anyone else --- including James van Riemsdyk, Brayden Schenn, Jakub Voracek, Matt Read, Andrej Meszaros and Braydon Coburn -- would be available in a 2-3 roster player package deal that will likely require at least one forward, one defenseman a pair of first round picks in consecutive years.
I would defintely be happy about a package dealing JVR/Schenn, Mez/Coburn, 2 first rounders, and a 3rd from next year.
Having Weber on the back end of this team would be like a dream come true. Imagine how many players heads he bang into the glass! And he wouldn't get suspended for it!
Also he has a good write-up about Matt Carle in there. I am one who does not want him back, especially if we have any shot at Suter if he hits the UFA market.
If they can get Carle for under 5 mil a year it is well worth it. I consider him to be better than Mezz. By signing Carle for practically the same hit as Mezz, you could than move Mezz for another asset (a high 2nd or part of a package for a better defenseman) That's the definition of good asset management. You get the same or better player for approximately the same money plus you get another good player/pick in return.
Don't trad JVR a full healthy year alongside G would make him 30+ i Guarantee it.
I don't know what to do about the defense i really wanted quincey and grossman. I think we should keep it somewhat the same
maybe suter could sign for 7 years @ 44 million dollars or something?
Also it seems the canucks might be shopping mailhotra
JVR-G-HARTSY
BRIERE-SCHENN-VORACEK
COUTOURIER-TALBOT-SIMMONDS
WELLWOOD-MALHOTRA-READ
Timonen-XXXX(hopefully SUTER)
Coburn-Grossman
Meszaros-Gustavsen or lilja
Bryz
Bobs
the top 9 is one of the best in the NHL.
Trade 2nd,holmstrom and carle's rights for malhotra,7th RD.PICK
There's no way id trade mez coburn 2 1sts for weber when we can just sign suter for as much as weber without trading anything.
I think there will be a buy out and I think you have to buy Danny b out
Just for the length of that contract. Can always resign him for less money and years after. Could always do bryz and try again with a goalie but I think he will be fine.
Incidentally, if the Flyers are not able to land a top-pairing defenseman from Nashville, I think they will go heavily after Devils' unrestricted free agent forward Zach Parise and trade from among other their forwards to improve their blueline depth.
why not? We just watched how relentless he was while forechecking. Lavy was probably cleaning the drool off his jacket, that's why he was getting outcoached.
If Holmgren decides to go all 2010 on this offseason, what can we expect?
-Ignore obvious needs; do other stuff
-Sign Carle for more than he deserves for longer than is reasonable
-Trade Timonen for a 6th rounder and AHLer
-Sign Semin, using what remains of the cap we want Suter to occupy.
-"Second Chance" player, probably to replace Timonen. Who's around?
There's no way id trade mez coburn 2 1sts for weber when we can just sign suter for as much as weber without trading anything.
I think there will be a buy out and I think you have to buy Danny b out
Just for the length of that contract. Can always resign him for less money and years after. Could always do bryz and try again with a goalie but I think he will be fine.
He points out all of Matt Carle's good qualities and mentions the grass is always greener with defenseman. He feels Carle is the type of guy Flyers fans would want if he was on another team while someone like Wideman would be skewered if he was a Flyer.
I agree with you about Suter and Weber. It would be stupid to pay a premium for Weber if we could just sign Suter.
