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How so? Green isn't exactly the most consistent guy in the defensive zone, and I'm sure plenty of Caps fans who watch him on a regular basis will agree. He's outstanding on the powerplay and moving the puck, but can be a nightmare in his own zone.
While Green still has some shortcomings in his defensive game, he is nowhere near as bad on defense as your post suggests. His defensive game has improved sizeably under Dale Hunters coaching, which could easily be observed from his play in the Boston series.
I would infact argue that Green currently is the third best d-man defensively on the Caps roster, behind only Carlson and Alzner. I know some would put Hamrlik ahead of him, but IMO Hamrlik's slow skating ability has been hurting our team more in these playoffs than any of Green's errors, this despite Hamrlik's great shot blocking ability.
Regarding the trade itself I doubt either team would do it. Although Boston definently could benefit from another gun on its blueline and the fact that the Caps most certainly will be looking for a #2C in the off-season, I doubt either team would pull the trigger on this one.
Boston would have to gamble on Seguin solidifying his role as a center next season, while the Caps would have to gamble on Orlov to fill in for the lost point production caused by Green's departure.
Somehow it feels unlikley that either team would make a trade based on so many 'ifs'.
I would say no thanks and it doesn't really have anything to do with the value.
In the past few years the Bruins have had offensive minded d-men who are not that great on defense and none of them worked out all that well for the Bruins.
Wideman, Kaberle, and Corvo all had a really bad time of it at times in Boston, and while I think Green is the best of all of those guys, the Bruins have Dougie Hamilton coming to camp next year and I feel he will get the chance to be that player for the Bruins. I also don't think they will put much pressure on him and probably give him 3rd pairing minutes with powerplay time.
I think if Krejci were moved it would be important that a scoring winger was coming back in the deal. Preferably one who is better than Krejci and Boston has to add a 1st round pick or a good prospect to get.
It's just not what I see the Bruins needing, but it is a pretty fair offer.
I think/hope Boston has finally come to the conclusion that chasing after and spending massive amounts of resources to bring a pure PMD into the Julien scheme just doesn't work.
If Boston got Green, a month after he was here he'd be the most hated man in town.
In the past few years the Bruins have had offensive minded d-men who are not that great on defense and none of them worked out all that well for the Bruins.
Yeah, but Green is 3rd best Caps D in terms of defense, trailing only to Alzner and Carlson.
Green is better defensively than Carlson is. The center frequently bails Carlson out when the opponent starts cycling. Green's defensive game has improved by leaps and bounds over the past two seasons. At the beginning of the season (before Green's injuries), Hamrlik-Green was the shutdown pairing, not Carlzner.
Green is better defensively than Carlson is. The center frequently bails Carlson out when the opponent starts cycling. Green's defensive game has improved by leaps and bounds over the past two seasons. At the beginning of the season (before Green's injuries), Hamrlik-Green was the shutdown pairing, not Carlzner.
No he's not. Carlson has been just as good defensively as Alzner these playoffs.
Green finally looks like he is back to his former self and seems to have improved his defensive game. A Chara Green pairing would be fun to watch, especially on the Bruins powerplay. Two cannons from the point.
But he's an offensive difference maker at a spot that doesn't always come around that often.
If you're a team like Boston, who has good defensive defensemen, and can afford the luxury of allowing Green to use his strength, he would be dynamic again.
I think Krejci is a good player, and I wouldn't mind taking him on the Caps (though at that cap number, I would be concerned) but I don't know that I would do it for Mike Green at this stage. Personally, I rather wait a season or two, let his value increase from health, and then see.
But he's an offensive difference maker at a spot that doesn't always come around that often.
If you're a team like Boston, who has good defensive defensemen, and can afford the luxury of allowing Green to use his strength, he would be dynamic again.
I think Krejci is a good player, and I wouldn't mind taking him on the Caps (though at that cap number, I would be concerned) but I don't know that I would do it for Mike Green at this stage. Personally, I rather wait a season or two, let his value increase from health, and then see.
That is what we used to think as well. It has been proven over the past 5 years that strictly offensive guys do not work well with the system that Julien employs, it is just the way it is. It doesn't mean Green is not a very good player, it just means that Boston's system does not work well for guys like Wideman, Kaberle, and Corvo.
I am sure that if Green would adhere to the system he could do well because he is better than any of those other d-men but it just hasn't worked out well with any player of that ilk in recent years.
I also don't think he would be dynamic again if he was to play the system like he would be asked, I think he would put up a good amount of points, but nothing like he did when he was scoring at his best. It is the system, not Green.
The Bruins have Dougie Hamilton who is going to get a shot next year, he is going to be brought along slowly and taught to play the system and taught how the Bruins want him to play the game, he has shown the same kind of skills in junior that Green has at an NHL level, he is the exact player that the Bruins need, a player they can mold into what they want, an all around d-man.
I do not think the Bruins system can handle having 2 players like that given the poor results of past players in this system.
It is absolutely nothing against Green, it is just the way it has worked in the past with Julien's system.
Here's the thing, he's worlds better than either of those three in his own end.
He's not even in the same ball park offensively as well.
The thing is that the Bruins will have Dougie Hamilton coming in and he has shown that he is an elite offensive defenseman in junior. The Bruins are going to give him the chance to be that in the NHL. If Krejci was traded for Green, the Bruins then need to go out and get a top 6 forward to replace him and in that case, the guy who would be expendable is Green. So maybe they trade him for a top 6 forward. Something about that just doesn't make any sense.
Why not just keep Krejci and let the Caps trade green somewhere else?
The Bruins need to add a forward as it is, they are set in goal and on D.
The thing is that the Bruins will have Dougie Hamilton coming in and he has shown that he is an elite offensive defenseman in junior. The Bruins are going to give him the chance to be that in the NHL. If Krejci was traded for Green, the Bruins then need to go out and get a top 6 forward to replace him and in that case, the guy who would be expendable is Green. So maybe they trade him for a top 6 forward. Something about that just doesn't make any sense.
Why not just keep Krejci and let the Caps trade green somewhere else?
The Bruins need to add a forward as it is, they are set in goal and on D.
It's going to take Hamilton a lot longer to develop into a full time NHL player as a defenseman. Not too many make the jump right away and are sent to the minors to develop. Green could be a mentor to Dougie as well
It's going to take Hamilton a lot longer to develop into a full time NHL player as a defenseman. Not too many make the jump right away and are sent to the minors to develop. Green could be a mentor to Dougie as well
The last thing Boston would want would be for Green to mentor Hamilton. That will be Chara and Seidenberg's job. Two true professionals who excel in the defensive end as well as contribute on offense.
Boston would rather Hamilton reach 100% of his defensive potential, and 80% of his offensive potential, rather than have him develop the other way
It's going to take Hamilton a lot longer to develop into a full time NHL player as a defenseman. Not too many make the jump right away and are sent to the minors to develop. Green could be a mentor to Dougie as well
He most likely would play on the 3rd pairing and get PP time and I think Chara is a pretty great mentor for Hamilton. If the Bruins were to send him to the minors they have Torey Krug, 2010-2011 CCHA offensive defenseman of the year and 2011-2012 CCHA 1st team all-star who is also going to get a shot at making the team.
Green just isn't what the Bruins need if the price is Krejci. It's not that he isn't worth that kind of return, it just doesn't fit a need for the Bruins right now. Moving Krejci means they have to go out and get a top 6 forward somewhere. It's better to keep what they have and let one of the kids earn the #6 D spot and concentrate on adding a scoring forward who is very good on the PP.
If there was a way to get Green without giving up any core pieces of the team, that would be great but I don't thimk that is very realistic. Green's cap hit would also prevent them from acquiring a forward unless they were to trade Tim Thoams as has been rumored.
Chiarelli said he wants to tweak the lineup by adding a scoring forward, he also mentioned that he thinks Dougie Hamilton has a very, very good shot at making the team along with Torey Krug. So they have two offensive defenseman that are going to be given every shot to make the team next year and while most likely neither of them is going to be as good as Green next year, they both have the skill to be players that can play that kind of game and in Hamilton's case a better all around game eventually.
If there is a D that they would want from the Caps, I would assume it would be Carlson.
This is all just my opinion and some educated guesses, so anything is possible, but I just don't see Green as the guy they would trade Krejci for when it makes another hole on the team.
The last thing Boston would want would be for Green to mentor Hamilton. That will be Chara and Seidenberg's job. Two true professionals who excel in the defensive end as well as contribute on offense.
Boston would rather Hamilton reach 100% of his defensive potential, and 80% of his offensive potential, rather than have him develop the other way
I agree with this 100%, Green is not the guy you want mentoring Hamilton when you have Chara and Seidenberg there. You might as well have Marchand mentoring him on how to win the Lady Byng award.
Thats an over reaction, i watched wideman cough up the puck, have misques with his partner all playoff long, i spent many a night screaming at the tv " HUNTER GET HIM THE ***** OFF THE ICE, GOD DAMMNIT "
I could do without the cardiac arrest, so if you want take wideman for krejci
