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05-09-2012, 04:06 PM
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Due to the Devils-Flyers series being a division rivalry. And 90% of those in-market viewers were Philly fans and Rangers fans just watching and enjoying the teams hurting each other.
Oh c'mon..

Get over yourselves.

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05-09-2012, 04:08 PM
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Oh c'mon..

Get over yourselves.
If you really think it was a highly watched series because of Devils fans, idk what to say.

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05-09-2012, 04:09 PM
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If you really think it was a highly watched series because of Devils fans, idk what to say.
If you really think 90% of those watching in market were Rangers or Flyers fans, idk what to say.

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05-09-2012, 04:11 PM
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Due to the Devils-Flyers series being a division rivalry. And 90% of those in-market viewers were Philly fans and Rangers fans just watching and enjoying the teams hurting each other.
Or it's because the Rangers/Caps series has been the most bland hockey I've ever seen, outside of the last 3 minutes played in game 6.

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What if it's the Rangers vs. the Kings. Am I the only one who views this as best case scenario for NBC and the league. I know they aren't the sexy teams with the superstars NBC loves to sell (Pittsburgh, Washington, Etc.) or the teams that have become popular over the last few years because of the success they have had (Chicago, Philly, Etc.) but LA and NYC are the two largest markets in America. I think it would be a dream scenario for the league and NBC.
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What are you basing this opinion on?

New York-Los Angeles would shatter all NHL ratings records.

Rangers v Kings is probably the best they could hope for with what is left, but I think by and large the 2nd round has been very dull hockey, and people just aren't into it. My team was knocked out first round but normally I'm still hanging on every second of every game no matter the match ups. I'm just not that jazzed about this playoffs anymore, nor is anyone I know.

I still hope I'm wrong, and the Final ends up being the highest rated series ever, or something crazy like that, but I don't see it happening.

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05-09-2012, 04:13 PM
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Devils aren't bankrupt, they signed a guy to a 100m contract and always spend up to the cap hit. Really disproves your post too.
I really don't get how that came about. ~200M debt, ~20M loss this season (good portion of that will be recouped as a result of playoff revenue), and 47% of the ownership is desperately trying to get out of it's financial responsibility with the Devils. I'm glad the Devils made the playoffs, that way the Leafs don't have to pay a % of Kovalchuk's contract had the Devils missed the playoffs and inevitably lost money.

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05-09-2012, 04:15 PM
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No. A lot of NJ is considered the NY market.
And most of the rest of NJ is considered the Philly market.

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05-09-2012, 04:17 PM
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Is New Jersey really a small market?
Nope.

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05-09-2012, 04:20 PM
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The Devils average ticket price is 19th in the league. Most fanbases pay more.

http://seatgeek.com/hockey-nhl-ticket-prices

They were bottom 5 in RSN ratings.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/J...N-ratings.aspx
Seatgeek is not a reliable source, it's been debunked on the Business of Hockey board many times.

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05-09-2012, 04:30 PM
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Final is going to be a defensive battle anyway, there aren't really any good offensive teams left.

I don't mind it. There's been good offense the past few years, I'm fine with some change

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05-09-2012, 04:47 PM
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I am not sure why you think that.
The Devils have had great ratings these playoffs thus far and sold out each of their home games.
All while playing an agressive forechecking style, with named stars such as Kovalchuk, Parise, Elias and Brodeur-the winningest goaltender in NHL history.

They don't sit back and try to block shots all game long.

Here is a link to the ratings for Devils playoff games in their home market.
http://puckthemedia.wordpress.com/

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05-09-2012, 04:53 PM
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The Devils average ticket price is 19th in the league. Most fanbases pay more.

http://seatgeek.com/hockey-nhl-ticket-prices

They were bottom 5 in RSN ratings.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/J...N-ratings.aspx
Rangers not in the top-5.

Devils gross revenues from ticket sales is much better than 19th too.
Teams like TB outdraw them, but there ticket prices are much lower.

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05-09-2012, 05:03 PM
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The league would be pretty happy to see two franchises who need it in the Finals

NBC OTOH should call Tonya Harding for connections if NJ is up 3-2 on the Rags and Phoenix is waiting in the Finals...

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05-09-2012, 05:07 PM
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I find it difficult to take people who threaten to not watch seriously.

In my personal experience people who threaten to not watch usually end up watching anyway.

I've been the same way myself about plenty of previous sporting events.

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05-09-2012, 05:10 PM
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I still don't get this. Every single one of you watched the Bruins and Canucks last year. Why would the number of fan watching the game be lower?

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05-09-2012, 05:11 PM
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Due to the Devils-Flyers series being a division rivalry. And 90% of those in-market viewers were Philly fans and Rangers fans just watching and enjoying the teams hurting each other.
That is so ignorant of you.

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05-09-2012, 05:11 PM
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I find it difficult to take people who threaten to not watch seriously.

In my personal experience people who threaten to not watch usually end up watching anyway.

I've been the same way myself about plenty of previous sporting events.
It's not the diehards who post here that you have to worry about, it's the casual fans who won't bother watching because of where the teams are from. They count just the same in the ratings.

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It's not the diehards who post here that you have to worry about, it's the casual fans who won't bother watching because of where the teams are from. They count just the same in the ratings.
This is true. Those casual fans probably wouldn't bother to have an account here either though. My post was directed at all the people saying things like "If it isn't NYR-LA I'm not watching." I don't believe them.

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I really don't get how that came about. ~200M debt, ~20M loss this season (good portion of that will be recouped as a result of playoff revenue), and 47% of the ownership is desperately trying to get out of it's financial responsibility with the Devils. I'm glad the Devils made the playoffs, that way the Leafs don't have to pay a % of Kovalchuk's contract had the Devils missed the playoffs and inevitably lost money.
Devils are in trouble financially, especially with the news of that large bridge loan. But I think they will find new ownership. I believe the Wendys mogul was kicking the proverbial tires on the devils a few months back.

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05-09-2012, 05:18 PM
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Devils are in trouble financially, especially with the news of that large bridge loan. But I think they will find new ownership. I believe the Wendys mogul was kicking the proverbial tires on the devils a few months back.
for pennies on the dollar - 140M. Not sure exactly how it works or who/what incurs the team's debts. I just found the whole Kovalchuk thing a little strange with the team's financial crisis and impending UFA Parise

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This is true. Those casual fans probably wouldn't bother to have an account here either though. My post was directed at all the people saying things like "If it isn't NYR-LA I'm not watching." I don't believe them.
Neither do I, frankly. But the ratings would be down if it isn't LA-NY.

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New Jersey is like the NHL version of the San Antonio Spurs. They have a championship-filled recent past and stars on the roster, but they lack the "no advertising necessary" label that you could give NY and LA (just because it's NY and LA). Phoenix won't draw a big TV following just because they don't have much star power.

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Well, Phoenix has been awfully opportunistic and New Jersey is much more offensive minded than I remember them in the bad old days. Not the ideal match up, but I would sure watch it if that's what we get.

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No matter how it turns out, it'll more than likely be lower than normal.
yeah rite


NY vs LA would make HISTORY

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New Jersey is like the NHL version of the San Antonio Spurs. They have a championship-filled recent past and stars on the roster, but they lack the "no advertising necessary" label that you could give NY and LA (just because it's NY and LA). Phoenix won't draw a big TV following just because they don't have much star power.
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In Phoenix, Game 5 scored a 4.6 rating, the highest ever for an NHL game in that market. NBC Sports Network was the #1 cable network in the Phoenix market for the entire game.
Cool story bro.

The rest of your post, I'm OK with.

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Can't understand why people constantly complain about something like this. Would you be happy if we just put 15 teams in NYC and 15 teams in Toronto?

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