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05-10-2012, 12:48 PM
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I want Staal here as much as anyone, but it doesn't make financial sense for this team to pay him over 5.5M a year. And that figure is what I would give him to play wing. If the plan is to keep him at center (assuming Malkin and Sid are staying at center) then I think it's better that we move him.

Top-6 for 5.5M or trade.

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I have seen Malkin at wing enough to know he will dominate there. Elite talent like him can play wing or center. Staal isn't elite.

The idea of Staal at wing makes me completely ill, then throw on top of that he will be making 6m or so, **** that.

I have said for two years now that Jeffrey is an ideal third line center. He is always around the puck, he is a crafty playmaker (one area he is better than Staal for sure) and responsible in his own end.

I would rather see him as their third center with a stacked top 6, including a true winger Staal could bring back, than see Staal struggle at wing and Malkin eventually having to move there.

You have two studs, build around them and it will all work out. No more of this ******** of them playing with third liners and guys past their prime. If Staal is gone, that makes it extremely obvious, and much more plausible they can give these two the talent around them to max out their talent (when it matters the most).

Staal is not as important to this team as people like to think... Crosby and Malkin are.

As for Burke and the Leafs, they need a top center badly. I firmly believe if he doesn't make the playoffs this season, he is gone. So that 5th overall isn't doing him much good to save his job three or four years from now. Staal is already developed and only 23 years old with the most playoff experience of anyone his age... Ever.

I think we both know what Burke will do... He claimed he will be agressive this summer so...
In this system, Jiggy, where the winger stands flat footed up ice waiting for a telgraphed stretch pass and gets pounded by two guys as he tries to chip the puck on for someone else to chase? Sorry, Malkin on the wing in that scenario strikes me as neutralized, not elite. That said, if the system were completely scrapped and one where say Malkin's talent, even with him on the wing, was used and exploited on the breakout (like it might be in, say, Detroit), then it might be a different story. But, do you really trust Bylsma to be the guy who puts that into place?

That said, I'll ask again: Brian Burke has the assets for one mega deal. Who's his first target, Staal or Nash? At first, I thought Nash, no-brainer. But, I really do wonder if it would be Staal. Am I nuts to think it would be (again, I ask because you follow that organization closely).

BTW, Burke probably will prefer to keep Schenn without getting a defenseman (i.e., not Martin) back. His opening salvo will be Kulemin and the 5th. BUT, I'll bet you he can be squeezed up to Kulemin, Bozak, Ashton, and the 5th or something like that. Whether it's Toronto or someone else, if Shero is listening on Staal, then someone is offering a Richards caliber deal plus a premium.

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I want Staal here as much as anyone, but it doesn't make financial sense for this team to pay him over 5.5M a year. And that figure is what I would give him to play wing. If the plan is to keep him at center (assuming Malkin and Sid are staying at center) then I think it's better that we move him.

Top-6 for 5.5M or trade.
Again, that's why I've been arguing that Shero will LISTEN to offers. No way Staal signs for 5.5M. 6.5M, probably. 6M maybe. But, anything north of 5.5M, and Shero has to listen. Now, the offers may be ****, in which case I think Shero will sign Staal to that higher price and deal with the fallout later. I just don't think the offers will be ****. Quite the contrary . . .

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I'm sorry but I just flat out disagree with you then.
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Moving Malkin to wing for an indefinite period of time almost guarantees his departure.

You don't move Malkin to make Staal happy. Whether Staal likes it or not, he's the #3 center on this team. He can either move to wing, be happy at 3C, or ask for a trade. To suggest moving Malkin or Crosby off center to please Staal...that's not good team management. Yeah Malkin might say he's happy...but he's not. He'll look to somewhere else to be center if he can't be one here.

Staal/Malkin has a hybrid W/C C/W could be done...but then you have to develop an entire system around that idea for one line...and with how much DB likes to shake it up...that seems almost a little pointless to me.

Kunitz-Malkin-Neal works...in my opinion, when you have something that works as well as that, you leave it alone unless (until) it goes to ****. That leaves Crosby with Staal which I think could work well. Those two can cycle together better than anyone in the league. Crosby can pass and shoot, Staal can shoot...and sorta pass. Whatever space Crosby opens us Staal can use. Bringing it back to their zone, both are defensively responsible. Having Staal there would let Crosby do a little more floating. You just tell whoever is in the better position to take the center defense responsibility. Put Dupuis with them, Staal makes the outlet pass that gets Sid and Duper going...that could work.

Staal on the wing can work...if he wants Top 6 duties here...thats where its gonna have to be. We have a gap at 1LW...he can fill it. The only other option is if Sid or Geno go down which can certainly happen. Then he takes over 2C. This is the primary reason I want to keep him. You have 2 1st line centers and 1 2C. Any one of the big three go down, you have one that can replace him. Sign a dedicated shutdown 3C...and problems are solved.

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In this system, Jiggy, where the winger stands flat footed up ice waiting for a telgraphed stretch pass and gets pounded by two guys as he tries to chip the puck on for someone else to chase? Sorry, Malkin on the wing in that scenario strikes me as neutralized, not elite. That said, if the system were completely scrapped and one where say Malkin's talent, even with him on the wing, was used and exploited on the breakout (like it might be in, say, Detroit), then it might be a different story. But, do you really trust Bylsma to be the guy who puts that into place?

That said, I'll ask again: Brian Burke has the assets for one mega deal. Who's his first target, Staal or Nash? At first, I thought Nash, no-brainer. But, I really do wonder if it would be Staal. Am I nuts to think it would be (again, I ask because you follow that organization closely).

BTW, Burke probably will prefer to keep Schenn without getting a defenseman (i.e., not Martin) back. His opening salvo will be Kulemin and the 5th. BUT, I'll bet you he can be squeezed up to Kulemin, Bozak, Ashton, and the 5th or something like that. Whether it's Toronto or someone else, if Shero is listening on Staal, then someone is offering a Richards caliber deal.
Malkin has the ability to back off the gap, so it isn't something I would worry about. Having Staal there flat footed is my big worry... His starts and footwork will be a problem at wing. He knows that, which is why he wants to be a center.

There is no solution here... Someone has to play out of position... You tell your Art Ross winning center to move to wing or pay Staal 6m a year to be a mediocre winger... Neither option is desirable, but Malkin is the much better winger, not one ounce of doubt in my mind.

Leafs don't need an overpaid winger, let's just leave it at that.

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If the potential trade of Jordan Staal does not make the Pittsburgh Penguins a better TEAM, then you don't trade him.

Some fo the deals I have seen in this thread don't make us a better TEAM. That's what I don't understand from some of you.

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If the potential trade of Jordan Staal does not make the Pittsburgh Penguins a better TEAM, then you don't trade him.

Some fo the deals I have seen in this thread don't make us a better TEAM. That's what I don't understand from some of you.
It's a little more complex than just evaluating who we get for Staal. Does extending Staal keep us from re-signing Letang? Do the players we get for Staaal plut the player(s) we get from the cap savings make us better?

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Kulemin is a better winger than Staal. He may not have his goal scoring abilities, but I have little doubt he's better in a supporting role for Geno and at a fraction of the caphit.

If we can get back a top 5 pick, a replacement 3C and another solid prospect? I'm not real sure how anyone can say no to that deal.

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Malkin has the ability to back off the gap, so it isn't something I would worry about. Having Staal there flat footed is my big worry... His starts and footwork will be a problem at wing. He knows that, which is why he wants to be a center.

There is no solution here... Someone has to play out of position... You tell your Art Ross winning center to move to wing or pay Staal 6m a year to be a mediocre winger... Neither option is desirable, but Malkin is the much better winger, not one ounce of doubt in my mind.

Leafs don't need an overpaid winger, let's just leave it at that.
I don't think anyone here is doubting whether or not Malkin can be an effective winger. I mean it's Malkin. He could be an effective goalie or stick boy for cryin out loud.

But if I may speak for the Anti-Malkin-To-Wing crowd, my view on it is this:

You are correct, someone has to play out of position. So the options are:

Staal-Malkin-Neal
Malkin-Staal-Neal (who cares about LW/RW right now)

Granted both are centers and that is where they play best. My worry, is that you lose more of Malkin's dominance with him at wing when compared to Staal. I don't see enough of Staal's dominance at center (when compared to Malkin) to worry about the drop in performance if we moved him to wing.

Taking a utilitarian apporach, you look at the positives and negatives and make a decision based on which one maximizes happiness. If the decision is made to keep Staal and play him with Malkin, then I believe that the decision that maximizes performance is Malkin at center and Staal at wing. I believe that you lose more performance without sufficient gain when you move Malkin to wing and put Staal at center.

This isn't a knock of whether or not I think each one can play wing...both can...both have. Given that, I think you always try to maximize the potential of the best player and in this case, I believe that is Malkin at center. I think Staal would make a fine 2C with Malkin at wing...but I do not believe that is the decision that maximizes happiness.

Now with "happiness" you make Malkin happy first, then Staal. Don't even try to tell me you make Staal happy first because Malkin is a "team" guy. That's a first class ticket outta Pittsburgh for Malkin and the stamp of a delusional management which is why I'm certain that doesn't happen.

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Malkin has the ability to back off the gap, so it isn't something I would worry about. Having Staal there flat footed is my big worry... His starts and footwork will be a problem at wing. He knows that, which is why he wants to be a center.

There is no solution here... Someone has to play out of position... You tell your Art Ross winning center to move to wing or pay Staal 6m a year to be a mediocre winger... Neither option is desirable, but Malkin is the much better winger, not one ounce of doubt in my mind.

Leafs don't need an overpaid winger, let's just leave it at that.
ROFL . . .

BTW, I don't disagree that there is no solution in the end. Actually, yes there is:

You trade your first for Kulemin, TK and Martin for Malone, Orpik for Stewart, and then you run three lines with the fourth line of Cooke-Vitale-Dupuis rarely playing, especially when it counts. The three lines . . . Kunitz-Sid-Neal, Malone-Malkin-Neal, Tangradi-Staal-Stewart. That set up is a salary wash for next year. Year after, you move Michalek to free up space (plus Cooke and Dupuis are UFA's). You don't consider ANY of your three lines a specialist line. No scoring line, Sid and Geno play on the PK . . . you've got three lines that you treat equally. IMO, if Staal were used that way, then I don't think he'd have a problem staying for 6M, none whatsoever. Those lines would be about puck possession and sustained pressure. It would be absolutely overwhelming, no weak link, no dilution, anywhere. BUT, Shero won't move Orpik. He won't move a first. And, he (or his coach) won't trust those young defensemen he's been drafting to step up (Shero still can make deadline additions to bolster the D). What I just described, that's a workable 4-5 year plan if Staal takes 6M and Sid and Geno stay at their salaries. BUT, it will NEVER happen . . .

Barring that solution, here's what happens: Shero listens. He gets bowled over (as I and perhaps you expect), then he'll move Staal. He doesn't get bowled over, and he'll resign Staal for the 6.25M it probably will take and deal with the cap consequences and issue of who plays where later.

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Kulemin is a better winger than Staal. He may not have his goal scoring abilities, but I have little doubt he's better in a supporting role for Geno and at a fraction of the caphit.

If we can get back a top 5 pick, a replacement 3C and another solid prospect? I'm not real sure how anyone can say no to that deal.
So, you're saying if Brian Burke offered Shero Kulemin (winger for Malkin, allows Kunitz to go back to Sid's wing), Bozak (replacement 3C), 5th overall, and Carter Ashton (your prospect, and a first rounder two years ago), then it's tough to say no. I tend to agree. I don't see Burke offering that, by the way, although I think he'll get there after the bidding starts and he sees that's what it will take.

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It's a little more complex than just evaluating who we get for Staal. Does extending Staal keep us from re-signing Letang? Do the players we get for Staaal plut the player(s) we get from the cap savings make us better?
Every name mentioned in a one for one deal for Staal (Ryan, etc.) eventually will push one of our present guys out.

A group of players potentially does the same. We will have that issue either way which is why I said does trading Staal make us a better team. To me, trading him means that either Jeffrey gets the 3C spot or we sign someone else (money), the assets for Staal, either forward, defense, or backup goaltender (money), and if the deal doesn't fill all the holes, FA (money).

It is generally accepted that any deal for Staal has to include a top six winger OR a top four d-man, as we need both if the idea of Martin being sent out is accurate.

I've seen Oshie, Stewart, Cole, Sutter, Pominville, Kulemin, Schenn, etc.

Sutter and a pick doesn't make us better. We are not assured of getting anything in FA so if you're going to trade Staal, you need to make sure you fill as many holes as possible because even though we know Martin has some value, we may not get the value we want for him.

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I just want to make it clear. I want Malkin to play center. What I don't want is Staal playing wing. It seems we are at an impasse. I have a hard time justifying keeping Staal around if he isn't getting payed way less than we expect him to take. He can bring back a player that would fill his top 6 role for less money and quite possibly more effectively.

That is a sad paragraph to write. I love Staal. He lets us do things we just couldn't do without a big pterodactyl out there.

<Red>Sometimes it makes me sad, though... Staal being traded. I have to remind myself that some pterodactyls aren't meant to be 3rd liners. Their sticks are just too long. And when they fly away, the part of you that knows it was a sin to line them up with Matt Cooke DOES rejoice. But still, the team you watch is that much more drab and empty that they're gone. I guess I just miss my Gronk. </Red>

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I honestly don't see Burke dealing Ashton in addition to all those other pieces, but if he's crazy enough to do it and basically go against his mantra of getting bigger and meaner, then God bless him.

Having him and Tangradi in our top 9 moving forward would be a pretty nice scenario. Especially if Bennett can pan out and Neal builds on his strong season. We'll have a real balanced array of skillsets on the wing.

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It's a little more complex than just evaluating who we get for Staal. Does extending Staal keep us from re-signing Letang? Do the players we get for Staaal plut the player(s) we get from the cap savings make us better?
Extending Staal doesn't keep you from extending Letang. BUT, in two years, having about 40M tied up in Sid, Geno, Staal, Neal, Letang, and Flower does create problems.

Like, say you invest in your 10th-13th forwards, 7th-8th defensemen, and backup goalie a quite modest 5M combined.

That would leave 20M, give or take depending on the next CBA, to sign 5 top nine forwards and 5 starting defensemen. It's theoretically doable, but I don't see how practical it is . . . if you signed two Kunitz types and two Orpik types (in terms of the deals), then you'd have 5M, give or take, left over for three top nine forwards and three starting defensemen. Basically, you'd be where you are now . . .

Again, that's why Shero listens. Push comes to shove and the offers suck, then he'll sign Staal. But, I don't think the offers will suck as I keep saying . . .

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I just want to make it clear. I want Malkin to play center. What I don't want is Staal playing wing. It seems we are at an impasse. I have a hard time justifying keeping Staal around if he isn't getting payed way less than we expect him to take. He can bring back a player that would fill his top 6 role for less money and quite possibly more effectively.

That is a sad paragraph to write. I love Staal. He lets us do things we just couldn't do without a big pterodactyl out there.

<Red>Sometimes it makes me sad, though... Staal being traded. I have to remind myself that some pterodactyls aren't meant to be 3rd liners. Their sticks are just too long. And when they fly away, the part of you that knows it was a sin to line them up with Matt Cooke DOES rejoice. But still, the team you watch is that much more drab and empty that they're gone. I guess I just miss my Gronk. </Red>
Lest you think otherwise, I'm with you. And, you'll note that I do see a way that actually could work . . . I wrote it in a reply to Jiggy. It's called build the team around the three centers where each of them is put into a scoring line center role and none is used solely as a specialist.

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Kulemin is a better winger than Staal. He may not have his goal scoring abilities, but I have little doubt he's better in a supporting role for Geno and at a fraction of the caphit.

If we can get back a top 5 pick, a replacement 3C and another solid prospect? I'm not real sure how anyone can say no to that deal.
Weren't you part of the "we need to do something at the deadline" crowd? Wouldn't that signify that you believed we were in the "win now" stage? Does a top five pick, prospect, and replacement 3C achieve that? Wouldn't we still need a top 4 D-man or/and top six winger (Kulemin COULD be that player, but based on last year, who knows.)?

Why get a replacement 3C when Jeffrey is sitting here?

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The thing is for Staal to re-sigh he has to agree to a discount (maybe a big discount) and agree to playing a role he doesn't want to play (DB will put him on the 3rd line regardless of what Shero promises him this summer).

I don't see both those things happening.

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I honestly don't see Burke dealing Ashton in addition to all those other pieces, but if he's crazy enough to do it and basically go against his mantra of getting bigger and meaner, then God bless him.

Having him and Tangradi in our top 9 moving forward would be a pretty nice scenario. Especially if Bennett can pan out and Neal builds on his strong season. We'll have a real balanced array of skillsets on the wing.
I'm sure he won't want to do that, but I'll bet you that's what it will take.

The 5th doesn't help him much next year, if at all (not like Staal will).

He's got Kadri, so Bozak already is 'expendable'.

Kulemin is a RFA and a question mark (Burke doesn't have Malkin ).

All those pieces are expendable.

Ashton, not so much, but Staal the best piece in the deal and the piece with the highest long term upside. That's what makes it different.

Push comes to shove, if Ashton is the difference between a deal and no deal, then I think Burke makes the deal. He's got to make the playoffs, period.

This deal, where he keeps his scorers and even Schenn, and comes out of it with Staal, helps him do that.

Let's ask noted Burke psychologist MrJiggyfly: Jiggy, push comes to shove and Shero says 'you want Staal, then the price is Kumy, Bozak, Ashton, and the 5th overall', does Burke pull the trigger?

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The thing is for Staal to re-sigh he has to agree to a discount (maybe a big discount) and agree to playing a role he doesn't want to play (DB will put him on the 3rd line regardless of what Shero promises him this summer).

I don't see both those things happening.
Oh, Staal may take a discount, but it will be of the low 6M variety, not south of 6M. And, he may even take the discounted deal knowing that Shero's promises are just that. BUT, the odds of it working out in either regard aren't so good, at least not good enough that Shero should listen to offers and take one if it bowls him over.

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Weren't you part of the "we need to do something at the deadline" crowd? Wouldn't that signify that you believed we were in the "win now" stage? Does a top five pick, prospect, and replacement 3C achieve that? Wouldn't we still need a top 4 D-man or/and top six winger (Kulemin COULD be that player, but based on last year, who knows.)?

Why get a replacement 3C when Jeffrey is sitting here?
I've always been in the properly surround Sid/Geno with talent crowd. Kulemin is a top 6 winger here. He'd more than likely be playing with Geno and on the top unit PP at the netfront. He's going to bring alot to our team. He's a hell of a player. Every coach's dream.

I don't see too many one for one deals out there. Kulemin, at the very least, replaces what Staal brings on the wing in the top 6. He'd also help eat alot of minutes as he can play in all situations.

Getting a top 5 pick who could end up being as good as Staal, an NHL ready big bodied forward prospect and a skilled two way center is a hell of a package. You could subtract Bozak and if Jeffrey can fulfill his role here as the 3C, then I'd be happy.

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ROFL . . .

BTW, I don't disagree that there is no solution in the end. Actually, yes there is:

You trade your first for Kulemin, TK and Martin for Malone, Orpik for Stewart, and then you run three lines with the fourth line of Cooke-Vitale-Dupuis rarely playing, especially when it counts. The three lines . . . Kunitz-Sid-Neal, Malone-Malkin-Neal, Tangradi-Staal-Stewart. That set up is a salary wash for next year. Year after, you move Michalek to free up space (plus Cooke and Dupuis are UFA's). You don't consider ANY of your three lines a specialist line. No scoring line, Sid and Geno play on the PK . . . you've got three lines that you treat equally. IMO, if Staal were used that way, then I don't think he'd have a problem staying for 6M, none whatsoever. Those lines would be about puck possession and sustained pressure. It would be absolutely overwhelming, no weak link, no dilution, anywhere. BUT, Shero won't move Orpik. He won't move a first. And, he (or his coach) won't trust those young defensemen he's been drafting to step up (Shero still can make deadline additions to bolster the D). What I just described, that's a workable 4-5 year plan if Staal takes 6M and Sid and Geno stay at their salaries. BUT, it will NEVER happen . . .

Barring that solution, here's what happens: Shero listens. He gets bowled over (as I and perhaps you expect), then he'll move Staal. He doesn't get bowled over, and he'll resign Staal for the 6.25M it probably will take and deal with the cap consequences and issue of who plays
I keep my theory about this team pretty simple... Malkin and Crosby are THE core. That's it. Staal, Letang, MAF, if they can be moved to better the team, so be it. I'm not attached to any of them. I'm attached to seeing this team win SCs while they are lucky enough to posses the two most talented players in the league. You max out their potential while you can and have this window. I can't really say Shero has done that to be totally frank.

You can lose a Staal and get better. However, there is no equal talent for Crosby or Malkin. Again, you build around them.

I know it is redundant, but Staal is not the player Cullen and Recchi were. They got moved, the team got better.

Staal has outgrown his role, but he isn't better than Crosby or Malkin. He also isn't a 6m winger either. There is the right deal out there to be made, but Shero, like CP did many times, has to have the balls to pull the trigger.

Staal is not a winger, he knows it as well. I can't be any more emphatic about that.

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Lest you think otherwise, I'm with you. And, you'll note that I do see a way that actually could work . . . I wrote it in a reply to Jiggy. It's called build the team around the three centers where each of them is put into a scoring line center role and none is used solely as a specialist.
ya that lineup you listed is sweet. I don't see Shero making that many moves though. That's pretty close to an NHL 12 roster at forward It also doesn't include Craig Adams so it is invalid

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The ideal deal for the Pens with Toronto would be:

Kulemin, 5th Overall pick, Luke Schenn

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Jordan Staal, Paul Martin


Paul doesn't fit our system but Luke might. Its more along the lines of what shero is looking for on D given his theory that "clutch & grab hockey" is back. Luke gets 3.6M per year so taking Martin really isn't too much of jump in $ @ 5M.

If we get Kulemin, I do not see Shero making a pitch for Stewart unless Kulemin is acquired to play with Malkin & Neal, and Stewart would play with Sid & Kunitz. I can see Bylsma wanting to play Dupuis on the 3rd line given his defensive abilities, speed and experience.

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The ideal deal for the Pens with Toronto would be:

Kulemin, 5th Overall pick, Luke Schenn

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Jordan Staal, Paul Martin


Paul doesn't fit our system but Luke might. Its more along the lines of what shero is looking for on D given his theory that "clutch & grab hockey" is back. Luke gets 3.6M per year so taking Martin really isn't too much of jump in $ @ 5M.

If we get Kulemin, I do not see Shero making a pitch for Stewart unless Kulemin is acquired to play with Malkin & Neal, and Stewart would play with Sid & Kunitz. I can see Bylsma wanting to play Dupuis on the 3rd line given his defensive abilities, speed and experience.
Eh. I'm turned off by Schenn's caphit. We can't afford to be paying him that and not playing in a top 4 role right off the bat. Maybe Shero thinks he'd thrive here and is willing to take the gamble, but I wouldn't.

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Eh. I'm turned off by Schenn's caphit. We can't afford to be paying him that and not playing in a top 4 role right off the bat. Maybe Shero thinks he'd thrive here and is willing to take the gamble, but I wouldn't.
if Shero decides to take a gamble I really hope its not for Schenn

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Eh. I'm turned off by Schenn's caphit. We can't afford to be paying him that and not playing in a top 4 role right off the bat. Maybe Shero thinks he'd thrive here and is willing to take the gamble, but I wouldn't.
I agree but perhaps he was given too much responsiblity too fast in TO. He still has the physical tools and potential to replace Orpik. He would add an element that we currently do not have in our prospect pool. Given that we'd be shipping out Martin in the deal, I think it's only fair and not unreasonable. Plus, it would allow Burke to free up some cap space on his end to afford Jordan & Martin.

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if Shero decides to take a gamble I really hope its not for Schenn
I was intrigued with that deal originally. But forgot he resigned at that number. If he was on an ELC, I'd do it.

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