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05-10-2012, 03:43 PM
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As long as they're young enough, players can be sent back to juniors whenever a team wants. The 10-game mark only matters for their contract, not their junior eligibility. A few years ago, Luca Sbisa played half the season w/ Philadelphia before being sent back to the WHL.
Oh so if they play 10 games that just means it burns a year off their ELC?

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I can't remember how bad they were, but Pittsburgh was beyond lucky to have drafted Crosby. That piece of luck quite literally saved the Franchise.

I know this is off-topic, but it makes you think how much luck was involved in Pittsburgh winning the Crosby lottery when the team was literally on the verge of re-locating and was financially plague stricken.

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Same deal with Lemieux.
And it will happen a 3rd time when Crosby is retired and they are close to relocating again.

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05-10-2012, 04:05 PM
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Same deal with Lemieux.
And it will happen a 3rd time when Crosby is retired and they are close to relocating again.
In the "who is going to be your next captain" thread, I was going to post "whoever the best player in the league is in 12 years". But it seemed a little trollish.

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Oh man... that team... It was almost comical at times. If I remember correctly, we acquired Ric Jackman during the season, and he and Tarnstrom were essentially the offense.

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05-10-2012, 04:51 PM
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This is whats funny about PENS fans..Its's like now that they have a new arena and a great team with great players they forget how bad they were before drafting Malkin and Crosby. I always think about this when the Pens fans Make fun of the Islanders Arena issues and Lottery finishes....Anyway thats what good about Hockey it takes a few good drafts and you can turn a team around, the Isles are on thier way.
Because despite those 4 atrocious seasons Pittsburgh has still made the playoffs 17 of the last 21 seasons and won 3 cups in that span. I don't have anything against the NYI fans, but the Isles management has made it pretty hard to not make fun of them. Maybe they'll get out of it eventually, but they're currently the Pirates of the NHL, incompetent for the past 20 years.

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this sounds a lot like Columbus now

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Because despite those 4 atrocious seasons Pittsburgh has still made the playoffs 17 of the last 21 seasons and won 3 cups in that span. I don't have anything against the NYI fans, but the Isles management has made it pretty hard to not make fun of them. Maybe they'll get out of it eventually, but they're currently the Pirates of the NHL, incompetent for the past 20 years.
It's not hard to be a good team when you draft generational talents like Crosby/Malkin.

For all the crying about the Oilers, we most likely didn't get any generational guys.

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05-10-2012, 05:31 PM
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This the year were Naslund put up 4 goals in that game vs the Pens??? One of my favorite games as a Canucks fan
Oh, you know it. Here's my ticket stub from that game:


I think this also might have been Fleury's last game before the Pens let him go to the WJC.

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For those wondering, here was the team:

Malone Kraft Morozov
Koltsov Surovy Fata
Eastwood Holzinger Kostopolous
Bradley Straka Meloche
Buchberger

Tarnstrom Jackman
Berehowsky Strbak
Orpik Melichar
McKenna

Caron
Fluery/Aubin

lol at Dick Tarnstrom leading the team with 52 points
lol at Kraft as a first line centermen
lol at having a total of 2 (not including Fleury/Orpik) players for this team still in the NHL

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05-10-2012, 05:49 PM
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Were the 2003-2004 Penguins worse than the 1983-1984 Penguins?

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05-10-2012, 06:03 PM
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Those early double O sucken teams were so bad that their one Cup wasn't worth living through those days.

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Those early double O sucken teams were so bad that their one Cup wasn't worth living through those days.
Aren't you a Buffalo fan?


Anyway, they were pretty craptacular. With the financial situation the way it was you knew a few seasons before that eventually all your good players would be traded for magic beans and there would be some rough years ahead, but geez, I don't think we ever realized it would be Dick Tarnstrom leading scorer bad. I was glad they sent Fleury down since he had actually started out pretty decently (esp considering what was in front of him), but being so young they would've killed him had he stayed up long term.

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I had the (dis)pleasure of watching them play in Toronto. My friend got free tickets.

They won.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/boxscore...gid=2004031121

I thought, "Are you serious... Ric Jackman?! Why can't they score on Aubin?!"

The worst and most frustrating game I've seen live.

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The interesting thing was they actually started winning a lot during the end of the season if I remember right. If I were a fan of them I would have started to get worried when they started winning (lol) although it worked out since they got Malkin.

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Or this one?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...000391999.html

Funnily enough, they contain a few of the same names.

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Because despite those 4 atrocious seasons Pittsburgh has still made the playoffs 17 of the last 21 seasons and won 3 cups in that span. I don't have anything against the NYI fans, but the Isles management has made it pretty hard to not make fun of them. Maybe they'll get out of it eventually, but they're currently the Pirates of the NHL, incompetent for the past 20 years.
If the Islanders drafted Lemieux, Crosby, and Malkin, they would have the same success.

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05-10-2012, 10:37 PM
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I had a buddy who was a Penguins fan who used to defend Craig Patrick and tell me that they had a slew of promising prospects like Sivek and Beech and Lupaschuk and Chiodo Filewich and so on and so forth. Noah Welch was supposed to be a stud and Surovy and Koltsov along with Morozov were speedy wingers who would be fixtures with the team, or so he thought. Those were some funny times.

They gave away star players for nothing. Not a single player they acquired for Jagr, Straka or Kovalev amounted into anything for Pittsburgh. I understand the circumstances of which they were in due to the bankruptcy, but talk about poor scouting and drafting and development. They were horrible, up until they started properly drafting and developing talent. Things starting to come together for them after 2003, they hit the jackpot in 2004 and 2005, and that pretty much set them up for success.

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They were so bad they got two lottery picks in two separate drafts for that crappy season...

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The interesting thing was they actually started winning a lot during the end of the season if I remember right. If I were a fan of them I would have started to get worried when they started winning (lol) although it worked out since they got Malkin.
If I remember after the deadline... Olchyk was coach. They were a hard working team, playing for pride and a team that if you did not compete hard against would beat you. I remember respecting the team as a Sens fan for how hard they worked and competed late in the season. Hope I am remembering rightly could have been the Pens the year before that.

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They where terrible that year. The most wins any of their goalies got was 9.

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For those wondering, here was the team:

Malone Kraft Morozov
Koltsov Surovy Fata
Eastwood Holzinger Kostopolous
Bradley Straka Meloche
Buchberger

Tarnstrom Jackman
Berehowsky Strbak
Orpik Melichar
McKenna

Caron
Fleury/Aubin

lol at Dick Tarnstrom leading the team with 52 points
lol at Kraft as a first line centermen
lol at having a total of 2 (not including Fleury/Orpik) players for this team still in the NHL
Those lines look close, but I don't think Straka was on the 4th line.

I thought the centers went Straka, Surovy, Kraft, Holzinger, respectively.

I'm nitpicking at this point, but there's more than 2 players (aside from Fleury/Orpik) that are in the NHL.

Malone - Lightning
Bradley - Panthers
Kostopolous - Flames
Scuderi - Kings, although he only played 13 game as a rookie
Caron - Lightining ....ok, I'm stretching the definition of NHL player with Caron.

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I had the (dis)pleasure of watching them play in Toronto. My friend got free tickets.

They won.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/boxscore...gid=2004031121

I thought, "Are you serious... Ric Jackman?! Why can't they score on Aubin?!"

The worst and most frustrating game I've seen live.
Rick Jackman had a howitzer. He was just dumb as a brick and didn't respond to instructions.

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Those lines look close, but I don't think Straka was on the 4th line.

I thought the centers went Straka, Surovy, Kraft, Holzinger, respectively.

I'm nitpicking at this point, but there's more than 2 players (aside from Fleury/Orpik) that are in the NHL.

Malone - Lightning
Bradley - Panthers
Kostopolous - Flames
Scuderi - Kings, although he only played 13 game as a rookie
Caron - Lightining ....ok, I'm stretching the definition of NHL player with Caron.
I thought Straka got shipped off to LA before December.

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If I remember after the deadline... Olchyk was coach. They were a hard working team, playing for pride and a team that if you did not compete hard against would beat you. I remember respecting the team as a Sens fan for how hard they worked and competed late in the season. Hope I am remembering rightly could have been the Pens the year before that.
It's not that the were tremendously hard working, so much as a couple of those forwards were incredibly fast. So, even though pinning them in their zone for long periods of time was no difficult feat, if your guys dogged it on the linechange or backcheck, there would be a breakaway against.

That actually happened a lot. Guys would take a little rest in those situations thinking the opposition was so terrible it wouldn't matter then have to try to go from zero to 60 once fata or koltzov blew by them and 2 others.

And also, the powerplay was much better than you would think it would have been with that roster.

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Not infamous.

They're in a group of many no-name piss poor teams...

I did find it funny their lead goal scorer was Ryan Malone with 22...

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