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05-10-2012, 10:25 PM
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It's funny that of the "Expansion Six", there's only four remaining.

California moved to Cleveland, and then merged with Minnesota, and then Minnesota moved to Dallas, and then kind of half split into the Sharks.

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05-10-2012, 10:26 PM
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Much better than all those old school fans who refer to championships won pre 1970's as legit.

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05-10-2012, 10:28 PM
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eh, he was just playing it up for the local crowd. No big deal.

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05-10-2012, 10:32 PM
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It's true (although he's got the order wrong - the North Stars split into San Jose, and then moved to Dallas). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose_Sharks

See the first paragraph.

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The game was incredibly different pre-expansion. Most of the record established before 1967 were only possible with pre-1967 rules (does anyone honestly think George Hainsworth's 22 shutouts in 44 starts will ever be beaten in the current NHL?).

The introduction of six expansion teams in 1967 really marked the beginning of the modern NHL era., I have no problem with an Original 12.

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05-10-2012, 10:53 PM
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you're forgetting the shoot-out
That wasn't exactly Bettman. That was the competition committee and the board.

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05-10-2012, 11:07 PM
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He does that a lot, the pandering, eh?



Now honestly. St. Louis fans don't need this type of pandering. Their team has been in St. Louis far longer than Gary's been the commish, and probably far longer than most everyone who will post in this thread. He's the commissioner of the NHL. Why's he introducing a term that takes off one that actually IS used but in some ways is a divisive term when you mix certain fan bases. He should know better.
Relocation makes things stickier (and probably much more divisive) here. At least all the O6 teams are still in place. I think it might make more sense to talk about "original 12 markets" than "original 12 teams," since both MN and the Bay Area have since gotten teams back, and one of those 12 teams doesn't even exist anymore, and... well, you get the idea.

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05-10-2012, 11:15 PM
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This isn't exactly the first time that term has been used.

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05-10-2012, 11:23 PM
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Whatever you call the group they were inducted into the league in, I think it's still pretty important to honor and pay due reverence to teams that have been around for this long. I certainly don't want the Blues to leave, whereas Phoenix can get the **** out if they haven't won a cup. Same deal for the Islanders, they've been around long enough that they're a part of the collective consciousness of almost everyone who watches hockey now, and the game wouldn't be the same without them; they've also won cups (unlike the Blues) and had a dynasty, so they should be respected even more than the Blues. But neither should be allowed to relocate or dismantle. So actually, I really appreciate Bettman's "pandering" in this instance - it looks more like respect for heritage, which we could certainly use more of. In general the intention to keep teams where they are is a very good precedent, even if it's a team like Phoenix.. but with a team like St. Louis, we should all rejoice that they aren't going anywhere. Paying homage to their status in the Original 12, or the Expansion Six, or whatever you want to call it, doesn't strike me as excessive. We should milk hockey heritage out of all of its teats.

EDIT: And if Phoenix wins the cup this year, I'll be overjoyed that they found a new ownership group. Any team that has won a cup should never dismantle, relocate (if that means renaming them i.e. from NY to Brooklyn), or even in my opinion change their jerseys lol. But I'm a purist because if you disrespect the tradition and those that have arisen to the top within that tradition, you lose the patterns and language of awesome that go along with legendary occurrences in the world of hockey.

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05-10-2012, 11:27 PM
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This isn't exactly the first time that term has been used.
Thank you. I had trouble believing I was the only one who heard of "The Original 12"

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This isn't exactly the first time that term has been used.
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Thank you. I had trouble believing I was the only one who heard of "The Original 12"

I've never heard of any other term than Original Six.

@tarheel. Where/when?

I know someone said it in jest earlier, but you could almost make a case for an Original 30. It starts to lose significance fairly quickly though if there's no historical or other demarcation for using any term.

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05-10-2012, 11:43 PM
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No big deal.

If he said the Blues were part of the

people here would still be all 'WTF?'

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@tarheel. Where/when?
Google's News archive suggest that, while it certainly wasn't used frequently, it's been used in reputable media outlets in the past (such as The Hockey News, and even the Free Press ).

Here's one:
http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...d-assists.html

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I've seen and heard it used before as well. Bettman didn't pull it out of thin air. KP Dupont uses the term Original 21 to refer to the more recent 80s era of the Adams Division era as well. Now granted, as often as not when used, they are used disparagingly or at the very least with tongue firmly in cheek, but used just the same.

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05-11-2012, 12:03 AM
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Are all of our teams a part of the "Origional 30"?
Everyone except the Jets.

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05-11-2012, 12:20 AM
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What are the 'Original 12' teams?
BlackHawks
Leafs
Bruins
Rangers
Red Wings
Canadian

Blues
Penguins
Flyers
Kings
Sabres
Canucks


Im guessing those are the next 6?

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05-11-2012, 12:27 AM
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The New Originals!

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05-11-2012, 12:28 AM
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What are the 'Original 12' teams?
BlackHawks
Leafs
Bruins
Rangers
Red Wings
Canadian

Blues
Penguins
Flyers
Kings
Sabres
Canucks


Im guessing those are the next 6?
Scratch the Sabres and Canucks, they were in '70.

The Class of '67 would be the 4 you mentioned, plus North Stars and Seals.

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05-11-2012, 12:40 AM
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you're forgetting the shoot-out
And the forward pass.

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05-11-2012, 12:51 AM
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Montreal Canadiens
Montreal Wanders
Ottawa Senators
Toronto Arenas

Ah, the Original Six.

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Every term had to be coined at some point. Even "Original Six".
... the significance of "the original six" is for 41 years there were only six teams in the league. By far the longest the NHL had ever gone without adding teams. Since then there has been expansion and retraction at a pretty rapid rate in comparison to 41 years.

Hence why "The Original 6" actually holds merit.

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Oh, no! He called the St. Louis Blues an "Original 12" team, when talking to partisan fans of that team. How dare he pander to local fans, just like every other leadership person ever everywhere.
Exactly. Its not like the "original six" were the first six teams in the league anyway...

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... the significance of "the original six" is for 41 years there were only six teams in the league. By far the longest the NHL had ever gone without adding teams. Since then there has been expansion and retraction at a pretty rapid rate in comparison to 41 years.

Hence why "The Original 6" actually holds merit.
Except those "original six" weren't the first six teams in the NHL.

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What's wrong with calling the first 12 teams in the NHL the original 12? If 20 years down the road there was 50 teams and the commissioner referred to these 30 teams that exist today and still existed then as the original 30 would there be an issue?

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Except those "original six" weren't the first six teams in the NHL.
I didn't say they were now did I?

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moral of the story: we have a lot to be mad at Bettman for. Let's camp out on the big stuff instead.

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