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05-16-2012, 07:03 AM
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Krüger will NEVER be the guy that carries his line. He will never be a dominant force. He is a guy that is a good 3rd wheel on the line and whatever line he plays will start to click and play good hockey. Another Player like this is Marcel Goc. It was this way in FLA this year and NSH in the past. Same with Krüger. Reliable team guy that is liked by his teammates.
How utterly ridiculous, he doesn't make a line. He gets carried by better players on his line.

He must be one of those special players that make his linemates better.

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05-16-2012, 07:07 AM
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would you like Goc or Hecht on our roster?


Krüger is a good third wheel on a line and those lines will click.

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LOL, Kruger would have been a third line center in Rockford. He should thank his lucky stars Bowman sees something in him that nobody else does.

If Kruger is anything but a fourth liner next year, the Hawks are in trouble. LeBlanc would have made a bigger impact,imo.
Right, so now we're back to Bowman being the reason he stayed on the NHL. This fanbase needs to decide if it was Q or Bowman who was responsible for keeping him in the NHL. Which one had the "man-crush" on Kruger, hmm?

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This is the first time I've ever read "a third wheel" being a good thing.

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Morin-Toews-Hossa
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Rookies on the left

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Neither Saad or Morin have done a thing to earn top six minutes over Shaw and Stalberg.

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Right, so now we're back to Bowman being the reason he stayed on the NHL. This fanbase needs to decide if it was Q or Bowman who was responsible for keeping him in the NHL. Which one had the "man-crush" on Kruger, hmm?
I'm surprised this is still coming up.

Q implied Kruger would be the 2nd line center next year. Bowman did not.

Seems obvious who's the bigger Kruger lover between them, no?

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would you like Goc or Hecht on our roster?


Krüger is a good third wheel on a line and those lines will click.
Kruger's not a good third wheel. He doesn't finish well (his shot stinks) and he's useless along the boards. Net presence? Forget about it. Every NHL DMan can easily muscle Kruger out from the front. I haven't seen any indicator that he's any better with time and space even though his playmaking was supposed to be his major asset. The only nice thing he does is play responsibly defensively but his defensive game has become highly overrated by the Kruger fan club. Kruger's just... there.

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Kruger's not a good third wheel. He doesn't finish well (his shot stinks) and he's useless along the boards. Net presence? Forget about it. Every NHL DMan can easily muscle Kruger out from the front. I haven't seen any indicator that he's any better with time and space even though his playmaking was supposed to be his major asset. The only nice thing he does is play responsibly defensively but his defensive game has become highly overrated by the Kruger fan club. Kruger's just... there.
Hey hey hey now. Kruger has the non replicable furry sweep behind the goalie like the puck is there when everyone is focused in front of the goalie where the puck is.

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05-16-2012, 09:11 PM
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How do the stats back you up? I'd love to hear this.

The stats say Kruger was 11th on the Hawks in scoring, 8th among forwards. The stats say Kruger had the 4th best +/- among forwards on the team. The stats say he was 4th among fowards in SH TOI per game. How do the stats back you up, exactly?
Let's evaluate that first part a little closer. 8th among forwards in points. So 8/12 of regular forwards

Kruger played in 71 games. Behind him in points were Bickell (also 71 games, over 3 minutes less of ice time a game, never on top six), Shaw (37 games, a full 34 games less than Kruger and yet he only produced 3 fewer points.. by the way Shaw is younger and less experienced), Frolik (63 games, over 2 1/2 less ATOI, never on top six), Mayers (81 games, 4th line center all year), Carcillo (28 games), Hayes (31 games) and a few other guys that didn't play in the minimum number of games to qualify as a rookie (Bollig, Saad, Morin, Smith Pirri).

So the only guys Kruger really outproduced were Bickell, Frolik, and Mayers. Essentially the Hawks 4th line, given how much the former two were in Q's doghouse. Kruger was given tons of opportunity last year- it baffles the mind how he could kept getting thrown out there on the second power play unit. I wouldn't try to use his relative placement as a credit.

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Let's evaluate that first part a little closer. 8th among forwards in points. So 8/12 of regular forwards

Kruger played in 71 games. Behind him in points were Bickell (also 71 games, over 3 minutes less of ice time a game, never on top six), Shaw (37 games, a full 34 games less than Kruger and yet he only produced 3 fewer points.. by the way Shaw is younger and less experienced), Frolik (63 games, over 2 1/2 less ATOI, never on top six), Mayers (81 games, 4th line center all year), Carcillo (28 games), Hayes (31 games) and a few other guys that didn't play in the minimum number of games to qualify as a rookie (Bollig, Saad, Morin, Smith Pirri).

So the only guys Kruger really outproduced were Bickell, Frolik, and Mayers. Essentially the Hawks 4th line, given how much the former two were in Q's doghouse. Kruger was given tons of opportunity last year- it baffles the mind how he could kept getting thrown out there on the second power play unit. I wouldn't try to use his relative placement as a credit.
not to mention that Krugers linemates were 2nd and 5th in points.

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not to mention that Krugers linemates were 2nd and 5th in points.
Now watch the Kruger lovers claim how he was key to this.

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Not to mention that almost of all Kruger's assists were assists where he relied on a better player to create the scoring chance. Marcus Kruger was not a play maker last season.

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Not to mention that almost of all Kruger's assists were assists where he relied on a better player to create the scoring chance. Marcus Kruger was not a play maker last season.
hey, that's not true. Remember that goal Kruger scored because Sharp and the goalie already thought it went in the net?


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It was his ****ing rookie season. His first in NA and away from home. He started the year on the 4th line and played his way up on the depth chart and took advantage of the holes on our roster.

Guy needs more time and seasoning in the NHL against NHL talent. Djurgarden trusted him, Q & Bowman trust him & Team Sweden (this and the last coach) trust him and want him on the ice in close games.
He may do something right

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Since when does Kruger spell his name "Jeremy Morin?" I was unaware of the change, glad I know now.

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It was his ****ing rookie season. His first in NA and away from home. He started the year on the 4th line and played his way up on the depth chart and took advantage of the holes on our roster.

Guy needs more time and seasoning in the NHL against NHL talent. Djurgarden trusted him, Q & Bowman trust him & Team Sweden (this and the last coach) trust him and want him on the ice in close games.
He may do something right
It was Andrew Shaw's first year too, and he started in Rockford.

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We could start a thread about everybody's favorite meal and it'd devolve into a Kruger debate.

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We could start a thread about everybody's favorite meal and it'd devolve into a Kruger debate.
I like Pizza, and I think Kruger should have been in Rockford last season

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Pizza or "Spätzle mit Soß"

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I like Pizza, and I think Kruger should have been in Rockford last season
The AHL is a mans league.

Kruger wouldnt last and is better off in the NHL where he has some sort of protection from the refs. Shaw upped his game while here, I dont see that type of game in Kruger, he is too weak.

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We could start a thread about everybody's favorite meal and it'd devolve into a Kruger debate.
new york strip, medium rare. kruger should be the 4th line center IMO

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As an ex-butcher, any cut that's boneless just isn't at it's highest potential.

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The AHL is a mans league.

Kruger wouldnt last and is better off in the NHL where he has some sort of protection from the refs. Shaw upped his game while here, I dont see that type of game in Kruger, he is too weak.
Yes, in a league filled with developing players in their early twenties.. Kruger would stand no chance.

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We could start a thread about everybody's favorite meal and it'd devolve into a Kruger debate.
I know. It is kind of funny though.

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