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05-11-2012, 05:31 PM
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05-11-2012, 05:32 PM
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Doubt those picks have much value to them. So that is kinda underwleming.

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05-11-2012, 05:34 PM
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You mean your offer is underpayment in comparison, right?
You think Duchene + EJ is better then Ryan+Fowler+6th overall?

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05-11-2012, 05:40 PM
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You think Duchene + EJ is better then Ryan+Fowler+6th overall?
When the team in question has no interest in rebuilding and is in need of offensively talented centers, yes.

Straight value in a vacuum is debatable, if you're able to separate bias from the equation. Duchene being expected to be better than Ryan next season, EJ is better than Fowler and the 6th being the missing value between the four players.

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05-11-2012, 05:45 PM
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My man crush on Duchene is making deciding between those two deals incredibly difficult. I'm not sure Fowler is who we need with Blum, Josi and Ellis already being young, offensive Dmen. Both are good value.

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05-11-2012, 05:49 PM
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Ryan Suter
Shea Weber


P.K. Subban
Jarred Tinordi
3rd Overall Pick

As a Habs fam, I would might do this deal, but this is what it might take, at least, from Montreal to land those two.
Ehh not even hardly close. IMO. Why do we even want Subban and Tinordi, when we have Blum, and Ellis, and Josi, and Ekholm, and Roussel etc. etc? Hardly worth trading BOTH Weber and Suter for.

Third overall is fine and all, BUT we were fifth in the league this year and we want to compete NOW. Picks, although high ones, who won't play for us for a couple years, and who won't have an impact for 5 years won't get it done.

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05-11-2012, 05:52 PM
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https://twitter.com/#!/WillyD1025/st...17226016374785

This is a twitter of a Nashville Radio host directly quoting Poile.



Let's say Weber and Suter tell Poile they want to stay together, but not on the Preds. It sounds like they are a package deal at this point, and if the preds dont sign them, we will want to get something for our assets. Suter has also said he wants his next deal to be his career deal, not just a 1 year thing. I assume Weber wants the same. What would your team give up to get the best D pairing in hockey as a package?

The preds would want serious defenseman coming back. We would be losing our #1 and #2, so we wouldnt need replacements. Forwards are good too, but a strong defenseman or two needs to be the centerpiece.
I only see this as a package in the sense that if one goes so does the other. That doesn't mean a trade of both to a singular team.

I can see Suter's right's getting traded to Philly or Detroit and then Weber packaged for a significant return. I see them as two independent transactions.

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05-11-2012, 06:03 PM
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Suter's rights are worth nothing. Trading for his rights is a waste of time of assets. To the market (and the bank!) he goes.

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With them both willing to negotiate contracts before the trade is finalized. EJ + Duchene + for Weber & Suter

Without a guarantee but knowing they want to play together?

EJ for Weber's RFA rights.

Barrie/Pick for Suter's UFA rights.

I think the second scenario is a lot more realistic but who knows. I would want to talk to Suter and make sure there isn't some need for him to get out from under Weber's shadow as well.


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When the team in question has no interest in rebuilding and is in need of offensively talented centers, yes.

Straight value in a vacuum is debatable, if you're able to separate bias from the equation. Duchene being expected to be better than Ryan next season, EJ is better than Fowler and the 6th being the missing value between the four players.
Expected by who? you?

Because Ryan may very well have his 40-40 year this year.

The difference between EJ and Fowler is more then made up by the 6th.

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Yeah this whole 'signed Suter' thing makes no sense....
when has a UFA ever signed only to be traded the same summer?

Maybe his rights will will be traded, but not for much more than a pick, if history means anything



Sounds like Poile is making every effort to keep the 2 of them in Nashville, but whether both or either stay no one will know for a while

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Expected by who? you?

Because Ryan may very well have his 40-40 year this year.

The difference between EJ and Fowler is more then made up by the 6th.
I think it's already been said (Not sure if it was by you) that Anaheim could not afford to make that trade anyways.

Anaheim being a budget team also hurts your chances of getting both of them to sign there.

So your trying to argue value based on a unrealistic trade vs a trade Colorado could easily afford to make?

Duchene vs Ryan's values are debatable in different ways. Duchene is a franchise center and Ryan is a franchise winger. Ryan is more proven though. While their ceilings points wise are similar Duchene just has a higher over all franchise value moving forward because hes a 1st line center.

Remember it was EJ + Duchene + (Barrie) So..

Duchene vs Ryan (Duchene has slightly more value especially to a team needing a center more than wingers)

EJ vs Fowler (EJ wins easily)

Barrie vs 6th over all (Th difference between the 6th and Barrie does not makeup the difference between the other two parts of the trade.)


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I only see this as a package in the sense that if one goes so does the other. That doesn't mean a trade of both to a singular team.

I can see Suter's right's getting traded to Philly or Detroit and then Weber packaged for a significant return. I see them as two independent transactions.
Exactly how I see it as well. Webs and Sutes talk, no doubt.
Poile just trying to get them to both sign together so everything's in the open and not dependant on the other's intentions. Good on Poile.

Will it happen? I doubt it.

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Kessel + Phaneuf + 1st 2013. Those two would make Reimer look like Patrick Roy in his prime. I would think most Leaf fans would disagree with me, but Suter + Weber would make us an instant playoff team.

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Edler, Ballard, Schroeder, Raymond, 1st rounder?

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From EDM: 1st overall + 2 of Smid\Petry\N.Schultz\Whitney

for the pair (signed)
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sounded good until the bolded part. That's the asking/starting price for one of them signed. Shea Weber and Suter are both considered top 10, if not top 5 in the league. Weber is #1 IMO. Suter is real good as well, top 5.

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The first one is okay but dear lord the 2nd... why are you so open to trading Malkin?
That's the cost you pay for obtaining #1 in the league, Shea Weber and top 5 in the league Ryan Suter. He said signed. That means you'd have them for years.

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That's the cost you pay for obtaining #1 in the league, Shea Weber and top 5 in the league Ryan Suter. He said signed. That means you'd have them for years.
Not when your talking about the single best player in the league and a generational talent. Most of these deals aren't even worth Malkin. I think staal+Letang+1st would be fair value.

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Green + Laich + 2 1sts + 4th.
Weber for Green, Laich, 2 1sts.
Suter for 4th.

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Edler, Ballard, Schroeder, Raymond, 1st rounder?
I think Bieksa would have to be involved. Edler, Bieksa, Rodin, 1st.

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I think Bieksa would have to be involved. Edler, Bieksa, Rodin, 1st.
Unfortunately (in regards to this trade) Bieksa has a full NTC.

Booth, Higgins, Burrows, Hansen, RFA rights to Raymond, Ballard, Lapierre, Kassian.

Take your pick.

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Unfortunately (in regards to this trade) Bieksa has a full NTC.

Booth, Higgins, Burrows, Hansen, RFA rights to Raymond, Ballard, Lapierre, Kassian.

Take your pick.
Pass on all of them.

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The first one is okay but dear lord the 2nd... why are you so open to trading Malkin?
Well we get a solid d-pairing for 10+years and I think Crosby is better than Geno, also we get rid of Martin and Z.

Weber-Letang
Suter-Orpik
Niskanen-Engelland

That is the best defense in the league. Then we resign Staal and sign a 3C. We get cap space too sign Letang, Crosby, Staal, Fleury.

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