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Rank these Saint John Seadogs on potential

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05-11-2012, 03:33 PM
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Rank these Saint John Seadogs on potential

Rank them: Jonathan Huberdeau, Stanislav Galiev, Zack Phillips, Tomas Jurco, Charlie Coyle.

Not based on ability right now, but potential. Also, holy **** what a team.

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05-11-2012, 03:35 PM
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Rank them: Jonathan Huberdeau, Stanislav Galiev, Zack Phillips, Tomas Jurco, Charlie Coyle.

Not based on ability right now, but potential. Also, holy **** what a team.
Huberdeau
Coyle
Jurco
Galiev
Phillips

bottom 3 all very close, phillips most sure fire of bottom 3, but other two have more potential imo

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05-11-2012, 03:50 PM
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Huberdeau
Coyle
Jurco
Galiev
Phillips

bottom 3 all very close, phillips most sure fire of bottom 3, but other two have more potential imo
Huberdeau - Top 3 NHL forward no doubt

Coyle - Top 6 NHL Forward - Has to develope a mean part of his game- He goes to the dirty areas now but in the NHL he will have to fight for that space.

Jurco - Amazing hands - If Detroit does it right he will be in the AHL for a couple of seasons and then he will be top 6 in NHL

Galiev- With Washington having so much young talent I believe Galiev will be used in a trade. Has all the skills if used properly to become a top 3 NHL player just not with Washington.

Phillips - Has good hockey sense but at times can be selfish on the ice. Same as above Minnesota has a lot of good young players and I see it will be hard for Zack to
excel with the team. Maybe decent 3rd liner in NHL>

Thats my two cents after watching these guys for 3 years.

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05-11-2012, 03:55 PM
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Huberdeau
Coyle
Jurco
Galiev
Phillips

bottom 3 all very close, phillips most sure fire of bottom 3, but other two have more potential imo
Honestly, you could make an argument that Jurco and Galiev have more/as much potential than Coyle, because if all goes well for Galiev and Jurco and they hit their ceiling both could be top line offensive players in the league.. Coyle is MUCH safer and he will be a 3rd liner/2nd liner at minimum but the question with him is will he be able to outmuscle full-grown men in the pro ranks.. That team just oozes with potential.. Scary good!

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05-11-2012, 04:44 PM
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I'm curious why Galiev (144 pts in 151 games) is being ranked ahead of Phillips (219 pts in 192 games)?

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05-11-2012, 05:13 PM
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Huberdeau
Galiev
Coyle
Phillips
Jurco

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Huberdeau - Top 3 NHL forward no doubt

Coyle - Top 6 NHL Forward - Has to develope a mean part of his game- He goes to the dirty areas now but in the NHL he will have to fight for that space.

Jurco - Amazing hands - If Detroit does it right he will be in the AHL for a couple of seasons and then he will be top 6 in NHL

Galiev- With Washington having so much young talent I believe Galiev will be used in a trade. Has all the skills if used properly to become a top 3 NHL player just not with Washington.

Phillips - Has good hockey sense but at times can be selfish on the ice. Same as above Minnesota has a lot of good young players and I see it will be hard for Zack to
excel with the team. Maybe decent 3rd liner in NHL>

Thats my two cents after watching these guys for 3 years.
Detroit always does it right. No doubt Jurco will become an excellent player for the Red Wings in the future.

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05-11-2012, 05:31 PM
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I generally don't see a huge difference between "potential" and how a guy is likely to turn out. If a guy has a few really high end skills, but tonnes of other areas with massive flaws, I don't see him as "high potential," I see him as flawed. All prospects are trying their best to improve their games and make it to the big leagues, most go through similar development paths, I think most times when people say "so and so could have been great, so much potential, but he never panned out," the reality is more that their evaluation skills were off in the first place. If the guy is talented but lazy, you have to take that into account, "potential" should include work ethic/personality.

That's not to say that a prospects current skill level is all that matters, just that potential and reality are not that different for most prospects. You might have a guy who's production is decent, but his hands, size, etc. suggest he could achieve more in the future; that affects his potential, but that also effects how he's likely to turn out.

So, my guess on how they'll turn out, which for me is pretty similar to their "potential," is:
1) Huberdeau
2) Coyle
3) Jurco
4) Philips
5) Galiev

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05-11-2012, 05:48 PM
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Phillips is very underrated. He's gonna be a good one.

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I'm curious why Galiev (144 pts in 151 games) is being ranked ahead of Phillips (219 pts in 192 games)?
Because it's based on potential and not how they are right now. While Galiev isn't much taller, it looks to me like he is much longer than Phillips and has a larger frame that if he grows into could have a Malkinesque build to him. Also doesn't Galiev center the third line? I don't know a ton about the rest of the team but I always saw Phillips on the ice with Coyle, and Galiev was the one who carried his line. (Obviously not his fault who he is lined up with, and he is still a very good prospect)

In short, Galiev looks like he could just keep getting better and better. Phillips looks like he could plateau sooner in his development.

I agree that Galiev has more potential than Phillips. Nobody is saying Phillips will be a bust, or even close to that. Just that Galiev has a higher ceiling.

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1) Huberdeau
2) Jurco
3) Coyle
4) Philips
5) Galiev

I have a feeling that Jurco is going to be an amazing player.

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Phillips is very underrated. He's gonna be a good one.
He really reminds me of Patrick Sharp.

Hell need to improve his skating to excel at the next level.

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I have a feeling that Jurco is going to be an amazing player.
He's got sick mitts, and decent size. Could be a 1st line talent if he puts everything together.

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From what I've seen Coyle impressed me the most.

1.Coyle
2.Huberdeau
3.Jurco
4.Galiev
5.Phillips

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He really reminds me of Patrick Sharp.

Hell need to improve his skating to excel at the next level.
Sharp-lite is what I had him pegged as.

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Difference between Sharp and Phillips is skating.

Which could make all the difference.

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For me it's

Hubey
Coyle
Jurco
Phillips
Galiev

Phillips is underrated, and 4th is good for such a stacked team. Jurco has high offensive upside

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Huberdeau
Coyle
Phillips
Galiev/Jurco


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Biased Wild fan here:

Coyle
Phillips
Huberdeau
Gailev
Jurco

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Based purely on potential, and if all these prospects reach their ceilings:

Huberdeau
Jurco (boom or bust)
Coyle
Phillips
Galiev

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Phillips is underrated. He's going to be a good 2nd line center. Gritty 55 points man that raises his game during the playoffs. His skating isn't world class, but it's not as bad as some posters here make it sound. He is dangerous around the net but plays a good two-way game as well.

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Biased Wild fan here:

Coyle
Phillips
Huberdeau
Gailev
Jurco
Clearly.

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Huberdeau
Coyle
Philips
Galiev
Jurco.
I think they all will be top 6 forwards.

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Philips gets no love., Kid is amazing.

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Huberdeau
Coyle
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Phillips/Galiev
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Jurco

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