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05-12-2012, 01:49 AM
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How so? If you look back at recent history the first overall pick is pretty much a guarantee to be a star player. The Canucks core simply isnt getting it done, IMO its time for them to blow it up.
Lol if any team gave up a potential 1C a solid #2 dman and a starting goalie for a chance at a first line winger ill be sure to give you your credit.

Thats a laughably bad deal especially when all those players are signed to sweetheart deals or going to likely resign on a sweetheart deal.

Cant believe you can say that with a straightface.

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Jake Gardiner and 5th overall for 1st overall

then

Sam Gagner and 5th overall for 2nd overall


EDM gets Jake Gardiner and drafts Ryan Murray at 2. If they then sign Justin Schultz in the offseason they will have completely revamped their defense in one trade.

-Yakupov may be the better player but the chance to get 2 (3?) solid yound dmen would be well worth it considering their embarassment of riches already at forward.

TOR gets Nail Yakupov who would thrive in TOR. Burke likes to make the big move and this would be a good security blanket for him, getting a talented but young kid like Yakupov and being the star of the show to bide him some time.

-Yakupov may not be a big center or a solid goalie but Burke gets the best player available anyways to try to leave his mark.

CBS comes out of the draft with Sam Gagner to add some much needed skill to their team. If he cant make it as a top 6 in CBS he wont make it anywhere. I think a team where he's a focal point of their offense might kickstart the scoring he's capable of.

-They also can safely pick one of the better talents in the draft knowing he might actually be happy bout going to CBS. Jacob Trouba would be a great fit as would Radek Faska or Filip Forsberg.
Oilers pass without thinking twice about this proposal. Outside of Hall, Eberle, RNH and Hemsky the Oilers have no depth scoring.


-Yakupov may be the better player but the chance to get 2 (3?) solid yound dmen would be well worth it considering their embarassment of riches already at forward.
Care to name them?

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It's just so wonderful how Jeff Carter's tenure here has done so much for the reputation of the Blue Jackets, isn't it? Gives y'all all kinds of excuses to send us garbage ripoff proposals. You'd think that people who cheer for glass franchises would know better than to throw rocks.

There is precisely zero incentive for us to do this. Gagner adds nothing that we don't already have in Brassard, so he doesn't qualify as "needed skill". Nor are we overly concerned about prospects "actually wanting to stay in 'CBS'", as most folks are more mature than Jeff Carter, and few of those prospects are likely to be married yet and thus able to object to the weather.

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I think EDM is definitely shopping the 1st, but my guess is if they'd offer it to MTL or CBJ. And the cost will be a 2nd+. Not a top tier prospect or great young player.

Maybe 2 2nds, 2nd, 3rd. Something like you see all the time. 2-3 spots for more picks. It happens every draft.

The last time a 1st overall was moved was in 2003; 1st and 73rd for 3rd, 55th and a 26 y/o Mikael Samuelsson, who just came off a 24 pt campaign. Not a star, not a blue chipper, but a solid younger player.

The year previous, CBJ and FLA swopped 1st and 3rd just for the rights to flip again the next year. FLA didn't exercise those rights, having a better pick already. So, essentially got nothing.

Don't expect the world for moving a few spots. Your not getting Gardiner for a winger that we don't need. We need a goalie and a 1C. And we need Gardiner to be as good as he seems. I think if Burke moves up it will be for the 2-3 spot. Just to get the player he thinks is right for TOR.


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If CBS could manage to get themselves into the draft lottery without having a hockey team, that would be quite impressive.

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Jake Gardiner and 5th overall for 1st overall

then

Sam Gagner and 5th overall for 2nd overall


EDM gets Jake Gardiner and drafts Ryan Murray at 2. If they then sign Justin Schultz in the offseason they will have completely revamped their defense in one trade.

-Yakupov may be the better player but the chance to get 2 (3?) solid yound dmen would be well worth it considering their embarassment of riches already at forward.

TOR gets Nail Yakupov who would thrive in TOR. Burke likes to make the big move and this would be a good security blanket for him, getting a talented but young kid like Yakupov and being the star of the show to bide him some time.

-Yakupov may not be a big center or a solid goalie but Burke gets the best player available anyways to try to leave his mark.

CBS comes out of the draft with Sam Gagner to add some much needed skill to their team. If he cant make it as a top 6 in CBS he wont make it anywhere. I think a team where he's a focal point of their offense might kickstart the scoring he's capable of.

-They also can safely pick one of the better talents in the draft knowing he might actually be happy bout going to CBS. Jacob Trouba would be a great fit as would Radek Faska or Filip Forsberg.
absolutely amazing deal for edmonton... well done if you are an oiler fan. i suppose the other two teams though would be a bit unhappy

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Why would Edmonton want to give up Gagner and the right to draft Yakupov for 2nd overall and Gardiner? No thanks.

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I think EDM is definitely shopping the 1st, but my guess is if they'd offer it to MTL or CBJ. And the cost will be a 2nd+. Not a top tier prospect or great young player.

Maybe 2 2nds, 2nd, 3rd. Something like you see all the time. 2-3 spots for more picks. It happens every draft.

The last time a 1st overall was moved was in 2003; 1st and 73rd for 3rd, 55th and a 26 y/o Mikael Samuelsson, who just came off a 24 pt campaign. Not a star, not a blue chipper, but a solid younger player.

The year previous, CBJ and FLA swopped 1st and 3rd just for the rights to flip again the next year. FLA didn't exercise those rights, having a better pick already. So, essentially got nothing.

Don't expect the world for moving a few spots. Your not getting Gardiner for a winger that we don't need. We need a goalie and a 1C. And we need Gardiner to be as good as he seems. I think if Burke moves up it will be for the 2-3 spot. Just to get the player he thinks is right for TOR.
Why would Edmonton do that for something that doesn't matter or might just cause more problems later.

Edmonton is already dangerously close to the contract limit and we've got tons of good prospects yet to be signed to entry level contracts.

Don't think for a second that Edmonton wouldn't be happy to draft Yakupov and send Hemsky packing the minute he's redundant.

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Lol. Not a chance in hell that Toronto does that deal.

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haha please your not getting the first overall for something like that. If we want to trade it vancouver will easily offer edler, kesler, and scheider for the First overall and horcoff. dont kid yourselfs theyre gonna get a top package if they trade it
Ummm...wut?? Try posting that proposal on the main board, pretty sure it won't fly.

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While that might the going rate of moving up to #1 overall, it is a terrible risk for Toronto. Gardiner is quite simply one of the best things they have going for them. I expect Toronto to end up with a player like Forsberg and be quite content with him.

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As much as the value is there, I highly doubt this deal would please any Leaf fan. We value Gardiner way above his market value. If he won't be put in a deal for Nash, he won't be put in a deal for Yakupov.
The Leafs and their fans value every player a fair bit higher than the rest of the league values that same player.... It's like the sun coming up in the morning, taxes, and death. Some things just will never change. Hockey crazy and media driven insanity. Without meaning to disrespect anyone, a Kessel for Crosby rumor could pop up out of the blue and I guarantee you as I sit here today there would be at least one delusional fan would pipe up to suggest the Leafs would surely be getting the short end of the trade citing Crosby had concussion issues and seven shades of grey to defend/promote Kessel as the greatest player the game has seen since the Leafs last won the cup. The passion and love for the game is amazing in that part of the world and the foolish evaluation of the worth and talent of the teams assets is an inevitable result of the desire to have a winning team on the ice. The end result is mediocre players valued as stars or better. Fact of the matter is that the emotion and desire of the fan base will forever doom the team to being average at best because the assets the team has are not worth what the fans perceive. The end result is eternal mediocrity because management, being concerned with self preservation first and foremost as human nature dictates, will be forced to make decisions based on what the popular opinion edicts. The popular opinion, out of love for the team and players, is misguided and largely unable to evaluate talent and make other strategic situational decisions without the required detachment of emotion required to get the upper hand in a player move. The fact of this matter is that the Leafs would come out with the better player on a better contract and still the fans complain 4th d'man fodder isn't worth losing to gain a kid that will be a superstar in the league for years and at a lower ticket than the mid level (currently) d man. I just don't get it... 45+ years of foolishness not enough for most of you??

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5 to 1 is Gardiner but 5 to 2 is Gagner??!?!! CLB would laugh.

And Toronto doesn't deal gardiner unless its for a legit proven asset IMO, If EDM can pull 5th+Gardiner for 1st I would be ecstatic and surprised.

Toronto
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CLB
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- - - - -

Toronto
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Colborne/Biggs
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The Leafs and their fans value every player a fair bit higher than the rest of the league values that same player.... It's like the sun coming up in the morning, taxes, and death. Some things just will never change. Hockey crazy and media driven insanity. Without meaning to disrespect anyone, a Kessel for Crosby rumor could pop up out of the blue and I guarantee you as I sit here today there would be at least one delusional fan would pipe up to suggest the Leafs would surely be getting the short end of the trade citing Crosby had concussion issues and seven shades of grey to defend/promote Kessel as the greatest player the game has seen since the Leafs last won the cup. The passion and love for the game is amazing in that part of the world and the foolish evaluation of the worth and talent of the teams assets is an inevitable result of the desire to have a winning team on the ice. The end result is mediocre players valued as stars or better. Fact of the matter is that the emotion and desire of the fan base will forever doom the team to being average at best because the assets the team has are not worth what the fans perceive. The end result is eternal mediocrity because management, being concerned with self preservation first and foremost as human nature dictates, will be forced to make decisions based on what the popular opinion edicts. The popular opinion, out of love for the team and players, is misguided and largely unable to evaluate talent and make other strategic situational decisions without the required detachment of emotion required to get the upper hand in a player move. The fact of this matter is that the Leafs would come out with the better player on a better contract and still the fans complain 4th d'man fodder isn't worth losing to gain a kid that will be a superstar in the league for years and at a lower ticket than the mid level (currently) d man. I just don't get it... 45+ years of foolishness not enough for most of you??
troll or retard? not like it matters...

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Jake Gardiner and 5th overall for 1st overall

then

Sam Gagner and 5th overall for 2nd overall


EDM gets Jake Gardiner and drafts Ryan Murray at 2. If they then sign Justin Schultz in the offseason they will have completely revamped their defense in one trade.

-Yakupov may be the better player but the chance to get 2 (3?) solid yound dmen would be well worth it considering their embarassment of riches already at forward.

TOR gets Nail Yakupov who would thrive in TOR. Burke likes to make the big move and this would be a good security blanket for him, getting a talented but young kid like Yakupov and being the star of the show to bide him some time.

-Yakupov may not be a big center or a solid goalie but Burke gets the best player available anyways to try to leave his mark.

CBS comes out of the draft with Sam Gagner to add some much needed skill to their team. If he cant make it as a top 6 in CBS he wont make it anywhere. I think a team where he's a focal point of their offense might kickstart the scoring he's capable of.

-They also can safely pick one of the better talents in the draft knowing he might actually be happy bout going to CBS. Jacob Trouba would be a great fit as would Radek Faska or Filip Forsberg.
Jake Gardiner had 30+ points last year as a rookie and is one of the best skating defensemen in the league. He's won't be dealt and any discussions with his name in it are a non-starter.

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Oilers pass without thinking twice about this proposal. Outside of Hall, Eberle, RNH and Hemsky the Oilers have no depth scoring.


-Yakupov may be the better player but the chance to get 2 (3?) solid yound dmen would be well worth it considering their embarassment of riches already at forward.
Care to name them?
Whatever happened to the great Sam Gagner. I mean ask every Oiler fan and he'll tell you he's ready to bust out.

Fact is Hall, RNH, Eberle, Hemsky, Gagne and then add Yakupov -- you are too small in the top 6 to compete in todays NHL.

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I think EDM is definitely shopping the 1st, but my guess is if they'd offer it to MTL or CBJ. And the cost will be a 2nd+. Not a top tier prospect or great young player.

Maybe 2 2nds, 2nd, 3rd. Something like you see all the time. 2-3 spots for more picks. It happens every draft.

The last time a 1st overall was moved was in 2003; 1st and 73rd for 3rd, 55th and a 26 y/o Mikael Samuelsson, who just came off a 24 pt campaign. Not a star, not a blue chipper, but a solid younger player.

The year previous, s
CBJ and FLA swopped 1st and 3rd just for the rights to flip again the next year. FLA didn't exercise those rights, having a better pick already. So, essentially got nothing.

Don't expect the world for moving a few spots. Your not getting Gardiner for a winger that we don't need. We need a goalie and a 1C. And we need Gardiner to be as good as he seems. I think if Burke moves up it will be for the 2-3 spot. Just to get the player he thinks is right for TOR.
They didn't get a lot, because they knew they would get the player they wanted, Horton at number 3. The Pens didn't need to do a thing. They would have got MAF at number 3.

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Whatever happened to the great Sam Gagner. I mean ask every Oiler fan and he'll tell you he's ready to bust out.

Fact is Hall, RNH, Eberle, Hemsky, Gagne and then add Yakupov -- you are too small in the top 6 to compete in todays NHL.
Its all about the fight in the dog, not the dog in the fight. Look at a guy like Marchand, then look at a guy like Joe Colborne..... I know who I'd rather go to war with. Yakupov plays with a ton of tenacity, very much like Parise when pursuing the puck.

I'll admit Hemsky and Gagner don't play with a whole bunch of grit, but I wouldn't say that they're pencilled in as mainstays going forward. We do need to get bigger/tougher up front, but not at the cost of a potential star in Yakupov.

Also, I think teams might want to be cautious of the extra-curricular stuff after whistles with our PP capable of doing what it can.

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How so? If you look back at recent history the first overall pick is pretty much a guarantee to be a star player. The Canucks core simply isnt getting it done, IMO its time for them to blow it up.
When Burke acquired the Sedins (back when he was GM in Vancouver) he had to first acquire the 1st overall pick.

It took:

Trade Bryan McCabe + VAN 1st 2000 (the following year draft pick, VAN was pretty ****** at that time, so it was a high likelihood top 10 pick) for the 4th overall pick.

Then the 4th overall, plus 2 third round picks, for the 1st overall.

Then Burke trade the 1st overall for the 2nd overall + cond. 3rd.

So hopefully that gives you a ballpark on what the picks are worth, and what CBJ would need to get the pick from Edmonton, or what Toronto would need to get the pick from Edmonton.

It's not a whole heck of a lot.

TOR might have to part with 2nd+3rd, or likely a defenseman who is NHL ready or close to it, like Holzer.

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The Leafs and their fans value every player a fair bit higher than the rest of the league values that same player.... It's like the sun coming up in the morning, taxes, and death. Some things just will never change. Hockey crazy and media driven insanity. Without meaning to disrespect anyone, a Kessel for Crosby rumor could pop up out of the blue and I guarantee you as I sit here today there would be at least one delusional fan would pipe up to suggest the Leafs would surely be getting the short end of the trade citing Crosby had concussion issues and seven shades of grey to defend/promote Kessel as the greatest player the game has seen since the Leafs last won the cup. The passion and love for the game is amazing in that part of the world and the foolish evaluation of the worth and talent of the teams assets is an inevitable result of the desire to have a winning team on the ice. The end result is mediocre players valued as stars or better. Fact of the matter is that the emotion and desire of the fan base will forever doom the team to being average at best because the assets the team has are not worth what the fans perceive. The end result is eternal mediocrity because management, being concerned with self preservation first and foremost as human nature dictates, will be forced to make decisions based on what the popular opinion edicts. The popular opinion, out of love for the team and players, is misguided and largely unable to evaluate talent and make other strategic situational decisions without the required detachment of emotion required to get the upper hand in a player move. The fact of this matter is that the Leafs would come out with the better player on a better contract and still the fans complain 4th d'man fodder isn't worth losing to gain a kid that will be a superstar in the league for years and at a lower ticket than the mid level (currently) d man. I just don't get it... 45+ years of foolishness not enough for most of you??
Feel better? My god that was a useless post.

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like ive said all along most edmonton fans are desparate to get Murray, they pray every night that either us, or the Canadiens or Islanders are dumb enough to send them a kings ransom and move up so they can have their cake and eat it too, by drafting Ryan Murray. I dont buy the garbage about them Reeeeaaaallllly wanting a forward. Thadd and roof daddy the only one that comes off as credible, the rest are pretty much homers, no offense but anyone who really thinks Gagner is all that great has got to be a homer, IMO

I sincerely hope that GM's are smart enough to call Tambellini's bluff and let them take Yakupov at #1, They won the lottery so they earned the right. They can have Yakupov, but dont give them a kings Ransom and the guy they really want.

if they want Murray let them actually use their pick and take him, after 3 #1 PICKS IN A ROW ITS ONLY RIGHT


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Edler UFA in 1 year Can we say rental?

Kesler Shoulder surgery this summer after hip surgery last summer and shoulder surgery the summer before that, he is made of glass and still has 4 years left on his deal. 5m per cap hit.

Schneider or 1st (26th overall) Despite how Vancouver fans feel about CS he isn't worth the 1st overall pick.

And 26th overall in exchange for first just isn't going to happen.

So lets recap, a rental, a player made out of glass with 4 years remaining on his deal who is looking like a cap dump at this stage of the game (two whole more points than our current 2C last year) not to mention he falls over at the mere hint of physical contact and occasionally does a tumbleweed impression at center ice.

And either the 26th overall pick or Cory Schneider (realistically the only piece in the deal that has real solid value)

For 1st overall

As a person who is actually a Fan of the Oilers going to have to pass on this "gem" of a trade.
Yakupov's head will look like it's on a turn-stile if he thinks he could skate around the offensive zone the way he does in Juniors. A NHL defenseman will knock mini-ovechkin forward into time, where he begins regressing. Heck, a Junior defenseman already done it. Don't kid yourself, there's question marks around Yakupov.

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haha please your not getting the first overall for something like that. If we want to trade it vancouver will easily offer edler, kesler, and scheider for the First overall and horcoff. dont kid yourselfs theyre gonna get a top package if they trade it
Are you kidding me? Not a chance Vancouver offers those plyaers. Be happy wiht drafting Yakupov or Murray with the #1 because the silliness has to stop. Way overvaluing this year's 1st.

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Whats wrong with it? Vancouver get a guaranteed 40 goal scorer in Yakupov to play with the Sedins and its been obvious Kesler was a one year wonder and Edler cant perform come playoff time. Throw in Schneider/1st round pick to sweeten the deal
Quit trolling. Yakupov isn't a guaranteed 40 goal scorer and Kesler was injured as well as coming off another serious injury. Vancouver doesn't offer anything close to this.

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