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05-20-2012, 06:49 PM
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The comparables suggest Foligno should be making ~2.5 next season. That's his market value and likely exactly where he'd end up after arbitration. If the Sens aren't willing to pay him that number then they should just move him.

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The comparables suggest Foligno should be making ~2.5 next season. That's his market value and likely exactly where he'd end up after arbitration. If the Sens aren't willing to pay him that number then they should just move him.
Nick has a right to go to arbitration and I am absolutely positive his agent would pick the most favorable comparables. I also think it is possible an arbitrator would rule in Nick's favour.

However none of this is relevant to the Sens, unless of course Murray and company see Nick (as many on the forums do) as the top six player the team needs going forward. However, based on what I have heard from Murray, it would appear he doesn't think Nick's game is top six quality at this point in time.

So the real question is, where does Murray have Nick ranked in the organization's depth chart? If Nick is sitting in the top six, there won't be any need for arbitration, if he's not, then what will happen with Nick is anyone's guess.

Given Melynk has clearly said he has no interest in being a cap team again and with the likes of Karlsson, Cowen, Zibanejad, Stone, Silfverberg, Noesen, etc., etc., etc., there is potential for some large contracts in the near future. So given the plethoria of forwards, does Murray pay market for Nick or move him for something to fill an organizational need?

Guess we will all know soon


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My take on Foligno is that he almost had 50 pts playing mostly 3rd or 4th line minutes. IMO that is pretty damn good production from a 3rd line player & if one of these young guns can come in & outproduce Foligno for a top 6 job than even better for Ottawa. I don't see that happening in the next yr or two but we never know. Silfverberg & Stone seen to have the most ability & they will likely get every opportunity but Nick has been around for awhile & knows this league pretty well now. Either way Ottawa wins. I think Foligno is signed for 2 or 3 yrs at around $3 mil per yr.

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My take on Foligno is that he almost had 50 pts playing mostly 3rd or 4th line minutes. IMO that is pretty damn good production from a 3rd line player & if one of these young guns can come in & outproduce Foligno for a top 6 job than even better for Ottawa. I don't see that happening in the next yr or two but we never know. Silfverberg & Stone seen to have the most ability & they will likely get every opportunity but Nick has been around for awhile & knows this league pretty well now. Either way Ottawa wins. I think Foligno is signed for 2 or 3 yrs at around $3 mil per yr.
Agreed.

The guy got there including a stretch of games where he played ~12 minutes per game, rather than the usual ~16.

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05-21-2012, 01:59 PM
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Greening - Spezza - Michalek
Foligno - Turris - Silfverberg
Regin - Smith - Neil
Hoffman - Konopka - Condra

Kuba - Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - Wiercioch/ prospect/ ufa

ex. Carkner

Anderson
Bishop

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Silfverberg - Spezza - Michalek
Regin - Turris - Alfie
Foligno - Zibanejad - Neil
Greening - Smith - Condra
JOB

Kuba - Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - Boro
ex. Carkner

Anderson
Bishop

How I see it. Garrison would be a great addition, but I don't think a top 6 fwd is too important to add-- especially if Alfie returns. Zibby, Silf, Greening, Regin and Foligno are all viable at the 5th and 6th fwd positions. I think the 2nd line could click well and be strong on both sides of the puck... 3rd line would suit Zibanejad so damn well. Primarily a physical line with the intention of going out and banging but they also have good skill. 4th line could dominate most other lower lines. If this team succeeds next year, it will be due to its extremely strong depth.

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05-21-2012, 02:17 PM
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Maclean sounded like a big Zibanejad fan after his 9 game trial in the fall. If he's in North America, he's playing for the Sens, IMO.

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Pretty simple.

Jakob Silfverberg - Jason Spezza - Milan Michalek
Peter Regin - Kyle Turris - Daniel Alfredsson
Nick Foligno - Zack Smith - Mika Zibanejad
Colin Greening - Jim O'Brien - Chris Neil
Erik Condra

Filip Kuba / UFA - Erik Karlsson
Jared Cowen - Sergei Gonchar
Mark Borowiecki - Chris Phillips
Matt Carkner

Craig Anderson
Ben Bishop

I'll second this motion, a UFA forward with size would also look good in place of Regin, possibly pushing Zibanejad out of the lineup.

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I can't see Nick Foligno getting 3 million, if he does, thats an overpayment.

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Maclean sounded like a big Zibanejad fan after his 9 game trial in the fall. If he's in North America, he's playing for the Sens, IMO.
He's gonna be in North America no matter what next year. Silfverberg's got a spot to lose for sure, and if there's another one open there'd be lots of guys (Regin, Stone) vying for that one. Wouldn't be surprised to see Mika start in Bingo.

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I can't see Nick Foligno getting 3 million, if he does, thats an overpayment.
Anything over is, 3 million and just a bit below would be fine.

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I think Murray will get him signed for around $2.5 mil on a pretty short contract.

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Subject to Change on July1:

Silfverberg - Spezza - Michalek
Foligno - Turris - Alfredsson - Zibanejad eventually replaces Alfie, if he retires
Greening - Regin - Stone - Condra could start here but Stone ends the season here
Z. Smith - O'Brien - Neil/Condra/Konopka

- if Murray does add a UFA forward then Konopka could be gone & if Silfverberg does not produce then Hoffman could replace him.

Cowen - Karlsson
Phillips - Gilroy
Boroweicki - Gonchar/Carkner

- if Murray adds a UFA defenceman than Gilroy or Carkner may not be re-signed.

Anderson - Bishop

This lineup adds five new players to the roster Silfverberg, Stone, O'Brien, Boroweicki & Bishop replacing Auld, Daugavins, Kuba, Winchester & Butler.

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Silfverberg - Spezza - Michalek
Foligno - Turris - Alfredsson - Zibanejad eventually replaces Alfie, if he retires
Greening - Regin - Stone - Condra could start here but Stone ends the season here
Z. Smith - O'Brien - Neil/Condra/Konopka

- if Murray does add a UFA forward then Konopka could be gone & if Silfverberg does not produce then Hoffman could replace him.

Cowen - Karlsson
Phillips - Gilroy
Boroweicki - Gonchar/Carkner

- if Murray adds a UFA defenceman than Gilroy or Carkner may not be re-signed.

Anderson - Bishop

This lineup adds five new players to the roster Silfverberg, Stone, O'Brien, Boroweicki & Bishop replacing Auld, Daugavins, Kuba, Winchester & Butler.
Think rebuild, the Sens aren't going to demote a player like Silfverberg, he will get all the time necessary.

The only guy in your proposed line up that may see some Bingo time is Stone.

I would like to see Hoffman get a real good shot this fall, however KK felt his defensive play needed work so it might be what keeps him in Bingo.

My wish list for the Sens is a top six winger with size and a solid physical defenceman.

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Agreed.

The guy got there including a stretch of games where he played ~12 minutes per game, rather than the usual ~16.
Did you ever ask yourself why he had that stretch of games where he played ~12 minutes/game? or why he spent time on the 3rd or 4th line?

Did you ever ask yourself why Greening, Condra and Klinkhammer all played in the top six ahead of Foligno at different times in the season?

Answer is simple, he lacks consistency, he doesn't get up and down the ice as well as he should and he suffers from brain paralysis at times.

I like Nick's game when he keeps it simple, plays physical, which he seems to do more consistently on the third line than the 2nd line.

I am sure if you were to analyze his production, he produces as much, or close to it, on the 3rd line as he did with Turris and Alfie.

Personally I like Nick on the third line left wing, with Smith and Neil, adds more than having him in the top six.

I hope Murray gets a top six for Spezza and Silfverberg plays with Turris, and Nick can provide the offence for the third line.

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Silfverberg - Spezza - Michalek
Foligno - Turris - Alfredsson - Zibanejad eventually replaces Alfie, if he retires
Greening - Regin - Stone - Condra could start here but Stone ends the season here
Z. Smith - O'Brien - Neil/Condra/Konopka

- if Murray does add a UFA forward then Konopka could be gone & if Silfverberg does not produce then Hoffman could replace him.

Cowen - Karlsson
Phillips - Gilroy
Boroweicki - Gonchar/Carkner

- if Murray adds a UFA defenceman than Gilroy or Carkner may not be re-signed.

Anderson - Bishop

This lineup adds five new players to the roster Silfverberg, Stone, O'Brien, Boroweicki & Bishop replacing Auld, Daugavins, Kuba, Winchester & Butler.
I will be really surprised if Gilroy is a Senator this fall.

I will be even more surpised if Carkner isn't a Senator this fall, signed as the 6/7 guy. The only reason Murray might not sign him is if his knee problem is chronic.

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Did you ever ask yourself why he had that stretch of games where he played ~12 minutes/game? or why he spent time on the 3rd or 4th line?

Did you ever ask yourself why Greening, Condra and Klinkhammer all played in the top six ahead of Foligno at different times in the season?

Answer is simple, he lacks consistency, he doesn't get up and down the ice as well as he should and he suffers from brain paralysis at times.

I like Nick's game when he keeps it simple, plays physical, which he seems to do more consistently on the third line than the 2nd line.

I am sure if you were to analyze his production, he produces as much, or close to it, on the 3rd line as he did with Turris and Alfie.

Personally I like Nick on the third line left wing, with Smith and Neil, adds more than having him in the top six.

I hope Murray gets a top six for Spezza and Silfverberg plays with Turris, and Nick can provide the offence for the third line.
Actually, the reason he came out of the top 6 was initially chemistry issues, not a lack of production or ability.

Greening was meshing. Plain and simple.

I also love Foligno as a 3rd liner, but he is a 2nd liner who CAN play 3rd line if he needs to and still be effective. I'd love for a Silfverberg to be able to steal that spot from him, but by no means should he be given that role, and by no means should our delusional fanbase think trading Foligno to open up room for prospects makes any, ANY sense, because it doesn't.

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So you are suggesting Murray goes out and gets Penner for the top six at $2M per year, then signs Foligno for the 3rd line at over double his current $1.2M????
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Silfverberg - Spezza - Michalek
Regin - Turris - Alfie
Foligno - Zibanejad - Neil
Greening - Smith - Condra
JOB

Kuba - Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - Boro
ex. Carkner

Anderson
Bishop

How I see it. Garrison would be a great addition, but I don't think a top 6 fwd is too important to add-- especially if Alfie returns. Zibby, Silf, Greening, Regin and Foligno are all viable at the 5th and 6th fwd positions. I think the 2nd line could click well and be strong on both sides of the puck... 3rd line would suit Zibanejad so damn well. Primarily a physical line with the intention of going out and banging but they also have good skill. 4th line could dominate most other lower lines. If this team succeeds next year, it will be due to its extremely strong depth.

I like this a lot more than what aragorn posted. Although I think Zibanejad might start in Bingo.

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Silfverberg - Spezza - Michalek
Regin - Turris - Alfie
Foligno - Zibanejad - Neil
Greening - Smith - Condra
JOB

Kuba - Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - Boro
ex. Carkner

Anderson
Bishop
I like this but sub Condra for O'Brien and we're good. Also, I wouldn't mind going for a guy like Cory Sarich to play with Karlsson.

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I like this but sub Condra for O'Brien and we're good. Also, I wouldn't mind going for a guy like Cory Sarich to play with Karlsson.
Agreed, although I still think we should try and find a younger shutdown D, because Sarich certainly showed his age this year.

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I like this but sub Condra for O'Brien and we're good. Also, I wouldn't mind going for a guy like Cory Sarich to play with Karlsson.
Yeah O'Brien should be in ahead of Condra. I'd like a good DMan as well but I didn't want to add pieces we don't have currently. I think we have all the pieces to be a playoff team but some experience (even if its from a 26 yr old player) would help a lot.

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If the sens are looking at going the UFA route to help solidify their d, they will be taking a pretty big gamble. It's possible that they strike out on targeted UFA's and possibly lose Kuba if he sign's elsewhere. Or if they strike out on Suter/Garrison and then decide to bring back Kuba it will most likely be at a higher price.

I guess it depends on how sens management rank Kuba compared to the rest of the UFA group. The picking's are pretty slim this year.

If Alfie decides to come back for 1 more year, I bet Melnyk wouldn't mind spending more to increase the sens chances. If he does retire, will the sens be more conservative and stay the course? I think most would agree we would more than likely take a step back next year without alfie.

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Actually, the reason he came out of the top 6 was initially chemistry issues, not a lack of production or ability.

Greening was meshing. Plain and simple.

I also love Foligno as a 3rd liner, but he is a 2nd liner who CAN play 3rd line if he needs to and still be effective. I'd love for a Silfverberg to be able to steal that spot from him, but by no means should he be given that role, and by no means should our delusional fanbase think trading Foligno to open up room for prospects makes any, ANY sense, because it doesn't.
Greening could only play one of the top six left wing positions... so what is the reason Foligno couldn't stick on the other line?? Give you a hint, it wasn't chemistry.

For the record, I like Nick, he is a great team guy and wants to be one of the top producers, a go to player. I appreciate he was in the top 35 left wingers in scoring, but his production doesn't mask the fact he has to get up and down the ice better if he wants to stay in the top six.

As far Silfverberg, he will win a top six left wing job, I really don't believe there is any question about it. That leaves Foligno, Hoffman and Greening vying for the other spot, unless of course Murray does acquire another top six.

Hopefully Nick works on the things he needs to and comes to camp and wins one of the two top six spots on the left side, if not, he is a great guy to have on the third line.

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Won't be happening.

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