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05-14-2012, 03:58 AM
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Ovechkin to Montreal

* preface by saying that unless Ovie makes waves, it's unlikely the Caps look to move him*


IF, it turns out that despite the "good soldier" routine, Ovechkin is not happy about the direction of the team under Hunter, and Mcphee/Leonsis decide they want to pursue the "Hunter direction", what kind of value does Ovechkin command in trade (keeping in mind that a 9M$+ cap hit is not feasible for every team, limiting potential suitors)?

would this be enough from Montreal?


To Wash
3rd overall
Gionta
Tinordi
Kristo
Bourque or Kaberle (added only IF the caps wanted either 1)




To Mtl
Ovechkin
S.Galiev


breaks down to:
top pick/prospect
veteran goal scoring winger suited to a defense-first approach
solid prospect D (with ties to the organization -Hunter/his father)
solid prospect fwd
struggling vet (not quite a dump, as both Bourque/Kaberle are still serviceable, albeit with less than stellar contracts... again, only IF Caps wanted one of them)

all for an elite sniper owed 88M$ over the next 9 seasons (and coming off of career worst season with 65pts), and a solid prospect.



Habs get elite sniper (and hopefully hire a coach who "let's ovie be ovie") and a solid prospect.
Caps get "quantity", but pretty solid return nonetheless (with a player like Ovie, almost impossible to get equal "quality" individual player in return, but these pieces represent more than fair value for a guy who is signed to a 9M$+ cap hit until he's 35), and a solid fwd prospect.

discuss.

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05-14-2012, 04:01 AM
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No from Montreal.

Don't like the total lack of interest shown by Ovie this year. and giving up Tinordi AND 3rd overall is too much. Tinordi is going to be a shutdown defenseman.

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No from Montreal.

Don't like the total lack of interest shown by Ovie this year. and giving up Tinordi AND 3rd overall is too much. Tinordi is going to be a shutdown defenseman.
Yeah cause shutdown defenseman are worth so much.

Caps pass, it'll be more like the 3rd overall + Patches/Subban +

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This won't end well.

If Ovechkin is up for grabs, I guess that's a reasonable base, but...it's Alexander ****ing Ovechkin. He's not going anywhere unless he has schluped the owners wife, and he want's to go.

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05-14-2012, 04:39 AM
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To Montreal

Ovechkin

To Washington

Pacioretty
Subban
2012 1st round pick

That seems more like what it would take and no way Montreal does that.

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05-14-2012, 04:41 AM
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To Montreal

Ovechkin

To Washington

Pacioretty
Subban
2012 1st round pick

That seems more like what it would take and no way Montreal does that.
Agree thats what it would take and also agree the Habs would not even consider this for a second.

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05-14-2012, 05:06 AM
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To Montreal

Ovechkin

To Washington

Pacioretty
Subban
2012 1st round pick

That seems more like what it would take and no way Montreal does that.
I more or less agree. Maybe Washington has to toss something into the pot, but nothing too significant.

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05-14-2012, 05:15 AM
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To Montreal

Ovechkin

To Washington

Pacioretty
Subban
2012 1st round pick

That seems more like what it would take and no way Montreal does that.
Yep, might even be considered an underpayment by Montreal. In short, Ovie is never getting traded for his actual value. No team could afford it.

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05-14-2012, 05:59 AM
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Yep, might even be considered an underpayment by Montreal. In short, Ovie is never getting traded for his actual value. No team could afford it.
If gretzky can be traded from edmonton to la than anyone can be moved.

habs have no issue making that pac, pk, 2012 1st if they had the chance

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05-14-2012, 06:04 AM
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Good, bad or ugly. AO is the face of the Caps. He's signed long term at a high rate. It's not likely of him being moved.

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I would be fine with the OP deal from the Habs' perspective... you could even take Galiev out and make the whole package just for Ovie. But I'd pass on anything involving Subban or Pacioretty.

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This won't end well.

If Ovechkin is up for grabs, I guess that's a reasonable base, but...it's Alexander ****ing Ovechkin. He's not going anywhere unless he has schluped the owners wife, and he want's to go.
The owner probably DOES let AO schlep his wife. That way he can say he has a wife hot enough for AO

And, as great as Ovie is, he's be wayyyyyyyy to expensive to even get GMGM to listen to an offer, let alone begin to think about it.

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05-14-2012, 07:48 AM
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No.

Also,you trade OV and I doubt Semin would come back. And the less Russians on the team, the less likely it is for Kuznetsov to come over, leaving Orlov as the lone Russian. Contrary to popular belief, less highly-offensive Russians is not good for this team.

Pretty much, you trade Ovechkin and the Caps are completely different, probably not for the better.

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05-14-2012, 07:48 AM
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No from Montreal.

Don't like the total lack of interest shown by Ovie this year. and giving up Tinordi AND 3rd overall is too much. Tinordi is going to be a shutdown defenseman.
I'm not saying I would make such a deal cause acquiring Ovechkin would probably destroy the Habs future for so long with the return it would cost us but in these playoffs I was very surprised by his professionalism and he did everything possible to help his team win and never put himself before the team. Ovechkin is starting to understand that if he wants to win in this league he needs to trust the coaching staff and teammates and do what ever he is asked to do. He had a so so regular season but stepped it up big time in the playoffs

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I asked OV's value earlier in the year and the thread got locked as he is apparently not tradeable.

I said it then, and I'll say it again....from a purely hockey standpoint Washington should put his name out there. The return he could fetch right now would be huge for what he has done the past two years.

From a business standpoint, he isn't tradeable. He is too marketable and means to much to the Caps.

Back in the winter I offered..

Mtl 1st overall
Patches
Tinordi

for

OV

Now as a Habs fan I am having a very hard time offering that up.

Patches had a better season than OV....hell Erik Cole had a better season than OV.

This is what I would be willing to give up (and I could care less if it is accepted at this point).

Mtl 1st overall

+

Tinordi

+

Nashville 2nd rounder

Washington gets a shot at Grigs, Galy or Forsberg + a future top 4 defencemen with leadership abilities + a mid 2nd rounder.

While I understand and agree that Ovie could return to his old form, it is becoming less believable. This is plenty (and perhaps too much) for a 38 goal 65 point player.

Montreal is in rebuild mode and needs to add many pieces. Ovie is slowly becoming a risk.

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05-14-2012, 08:23 AM
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it would cost you that 3rd pick + Subban + MaxPac + prospect.

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I'm pretty sure someone else would pay much more for Ovechkin.

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I'm pretty sure someone else would pay much more for Ovechkin.
You're absolutely right......and all the power to them. Montreal needs to collect pieces not trade them away. As I said, OV, is becoming a risk......

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No from Montreal.

Don't like the total lack of interest shown by Ovie this year. and giving up Tinordi AND 3rd overall is too much. Tinordi is going to be a shutdown defenseman.
Can't agree more. Imagine Ovi with the Montreal night life! Absolutely not.

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Montreal wouldn't trade for Ovechkin because they'd balk at what it would take.

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Let's say that in a fantasy world, Ovi IS getting traded.
Here's what the Caps would ask:
Superstar forward
Star d-man
High pick/top prospect.
Think something like Columbus' Nash, Johnson and CBJ 1st/David Savard.

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Don't see the point of this move for the Habs. Ovy is not the scorer he once was and while his overall play is better the salary he is making would hamstring the team down the road. I don't think it is impossible to say he may never score 50 again and settle as a 35-45 goal scorer.

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habs have no issue making that pac, pk, 2012 1st if they had the chance
You think we would actually do that trade? Oh God no!

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23 y. o first pairing d man
23. y.o 33 goal scoring power forward who's dominating WC for US right now
+ galchenyuk or forsberg

for AO 08


yeah no...from habs pov...not worth it.
the three pieces makes habs MUCH better
than an ovechkin on his own.
not taking anything away from him...
but habs are a worse team after the deal

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